Classify this.........

[Deleted]

Liberal or Conservative

Republican or Democrat


1 Support women’s right to choose. A life is valuable, but anyone else telling some woman what she can or can’t do with HER body just seems wrong
2. Support stronger gun laws. The average American should be able to own a weapon….but not one that can be converted to an automatic pistol EVER
3. Pro business…..support need to change the laws in this country to bring back manufacturing base. Putting a tariff on imported goods so American business can compete is a start
4. Support a balanced budget amendment…...government shouldn’t be able to spend more than what you collect. If that means a smaller military, so be it. Why do we still have bases in Italy, Germany, and Germany?
5. Support term limits for ALL government levels. No more career politicians…..
6. Support a reduction in the welfare state of America. Some need a helping hand...but somehow the hand out complex needs to change
7. Support a simpler tax system….be it a flat tax, or some other system. We have to do away with all the loopholes….and the majority of Americans I believe would support paying more if they know it has to go towards lowering the deficit
8. Support tort reform……and the subsequent reduction of cost in health care because of the change in lawsuits
9. Support a major reduction in government…..do we really need all these agencies?

So based on above, how would you classify these political views?

[Deleted]

You can hang out with me....

[Deleted]

Libertarianish???

[Deleted]

Republican Libertarianish...

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

<<< and the majority of Americans I believe would support paying more if they know it has to go towards lowering the deficit >>>

...I'm officially a minority!

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

<<< So based on above, how would you classify these political views? >>>

...idk... since the positions listed are not absolutes, and subject to gradation, there's not enough info for me to decide...

[ed1066]

2. Support stronger gun laws. The average American should be able to own a weapon….but not one that can be converted to an automatic pistol EVER

Why? Can I have an "automatic rifle" instead?

[busymom]

Sounds like a winning presidential candidate to me!

So where do we find this platform?

[Deleted]

Ron Paul?? Maybe? Not sure on all points.

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

I would classify that as a right-of-of-center Libertarian, much as I am.

[Deleted]

Me, too, Dawg.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

1. I am 100% pro-choice. When engaging in activities that can lead to the development of another human being in your body, a woman should choose carefully.

2. I am 100% pro-life. Once a fetus is developing into a baby, that life should enjoy the full protection of the right to life.

3. I support the right to use deadly force to defend life and property. The right to keep and bear arms isn't just for hunting, kids. And I own several "automatic" pistols. Ignorance, not prolification is the main problem with firearms in America.

4. I am pro-private property rights. We don't need "pro-business" policies, we need anti-government interference with individual property rights, and that includes controlling taxation to limit the taking of the proceeds of ones earnings, and regulations that stiffle the creative spirit, and entrepreneurial drive. I would support a tax system that would tax consumption over the production of income, savings, and investment; and completely opposed to the death tax. I am free trade, but would support a "mirror image" trade policy where we were a 100% free and open trade country with no restrictions, but we will mirror the trade policies of those nations who are not. In effect, I would say to other nations-- your trade policy is our trade policy.

5. I support a Federal SPENDING CAP of no more than 10% to 15% of real GDP. If that means the safety net is a little less a hammock, so be it. Why should we have people on unemployment compensation for two full years, people in subsidized housing for life, and on other welfare programs for life?A balanced budget amendment sounds good until you realize that we could end up in a situation where Congress refuses to cut spending and the black robed idiots over at SCOTUS could ORDER a tax increase. I support budgetary accounting reform that shifts from static to dynamic accounting to make realistic projections of what REALLY happens when taxes are cut or raised based upon sound economic data for the preceding 100 year period. I support a robust national defense that is much more agile, and has a significantly smaller footprint. I support finding, capturing and killing the people trying to kill us. I support making certain that we're capable of eliminating any foe's capacity AND willingness to make war with us by making sure we can first deter, second eliminate unilaterally and with force not paper deals, and finally meet and destroy a threat. Though, I would spend less we end our international defense welfare programs for countries like Italy, Germany, Japan and others.If that means a smaller military, so be it.

6. If we had term limits, we wouldn't have Nancy Pelosi, Dennis Kucinich, Barney Frank, and many others who serve as reminders of the old socialist republic the rest of the country, if not their districts, is in the process of sweeping away. Term limits happen at the ballot box. We don't need the threat of lame duck radicals, and a permanent bureaucracy running the country. We already have an out of control bureaucracy issuing decrees and making up law as they go like the EPA, et al. No more career bureaucrats. If we're going to have term limits, its a max of 12 years for ANY federal job.

7. I support a temporary social safety net in the form of 1. Means testing- if you have to sell stuff to support and care for yourself, so be it. INCOME isn't the only factor, we need to look at assets. 2. Private charity. Any application for publicly funded aid should make documenting the application for PRIVATE aid a requirement-- kind of like looking for a job if you're unemployed is required. 3. A loan. You can have help, but you have to pay it back when you're back on your feet-- much like student loans. The understanding would be that you're using this as a way to get back on your feet, then you pay us back. 4. As a last resort, an emergency cash payment limited to 24 to 60 months in a lifetime.

8. I support the www.fairtax.org first, the flat tax second.

8. Support tort reform that includes loser pays- no more contingency suit lottery ticket legal system.

9. Support an immediate reduction in government starting with any and all redundant agencies and offices, and that would include the elmination of any office that provided a service already provided at the state level. Federal education department and the EPA would be gone. I would decriminalize drugs and leave it to the states- no more DEA. I'd make airlines responsible for security, I would regulate, but not provide security. I'd eliminate the TSA and merge the DHS with the Pentagon. I'd also merge the CIA, NSA, and eliminate the FBI-- domestic organized crime would be treasonous and fall under the perview of the CIA and the Defense Department.

[fairlycrazy23]

May 9, 2011 16:14:44 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

Liberal or Conservative

Republican or Democrat


1 Support women’s right to choose. A life is valuable, but anyone else telling some woman what she can or can’t do with HER body just seems wrong
2. Support stronger gun laws. The average American should be able to own a weapon….but not one that can be converted to an automatic pistol EVER
3. Pro business…..support need to change the laws in this country to bring back manufacturing base. Putting a tariff on imported goods so American business can compete is a start
4. Support a balanced budget amendment…...government shouldn’t be able to spend more than what you collect. If that means a smaller military, so be it. Why do we still have bases in Italy, Germany, and Germany?
5. Support term limits for ALL government levels. No more career politicians…..
6. Support a reduction in the welfare state of America. Some need a helping hand...but somehow the hand out complex needs to change
7. Support a simpler tax system….be it a flat tax, or some other system. We have to do away with all the loopholes….and the majority of Americans I believe would support paying more if they know it has to go towards lowering the deficit
8. Support tort reform……and the subsequent reduction of cost in health care because of the change in lawsuits
9. Support a major reduction in government…..do we really need all these agencies?

So based on above, how would you classify these political views?

Probably as most people you do not really fall strictly into one of the main parties.
I agree with most of you positions, except I think we already have adequate gun laws. Abortion is a tricky subject, because at some point in the process the issue of the unborn babies rights become part of the equation.
We probably should have a fairly smaller military, but that won't really get us very far in reducing government spending.

[txbo]

May 9, 2011 16:14:44 GMT -5 @gdgyva said:

Liberal or Conservative

Republican or Democrat


1 Support women’s right to choose. A life is valuable, but anyone else telling some woman what she can or can’t do with HER body just seems wrong
2. Support stronger gun laws. The average American should be able to own a weapon….but not one that can be converted to an automatic pistol EVER
3. Pro business…..support need to change the laws in this country to bring back manufacturing base. Putting a tariff on imported goods so American business can compete is a start
4. Support a balanced budget amendment…...government shouldn’t be able to spend more than what you collect. If that means a smaller military, so be it. Why do we still have bases in Italy, Germany, and Germany?
5. Support term limits for ALL government levels. No more career politicians…..
6. Support a reduction in the welfare state of America. Some need a helping hand...but somehow the hand out complex needs to change
7. Support a simpler tax system….be it a flat tax, or some other system. We have to do away with all the loopholes….and the majority of Americans I believe would support paying more if they know it has to go towards lowering the deficit
8. Support tort reform……and the subsequent reduction of cost in health care because of the change in lawsuits
9. Support a major reduction in government…..do we really need all these agencies?

So based on above, how would you classify these political views?

I would classify this individual as left wing liberal democrat since I agree with all but #2 & #3.
#2 - I don’t understand, I support semi-automatic rifles and handguns. Full automatics (machineguns) are outlawed already.
#3 - Not needed, manufacturing jobs will come back as soon as the pay scale for American labor is in line with the world market. With the demise of unions and reduction of benefits, this will happen sooner than later.

[Bluerobin]

I do support stronger gun laws - If the govt owns it, I should also be able to own it. The Constitution does not limit the right to certain arms.

[Deleted]

www.gallup.com/poll/143051/americans-renew-call-third-party.aspx

Americans Renew Call for Third Party
Fifty-eight percent of Americans, and 62% of Tea Party supporters, favor third party
by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans' desires for a third political party are as high as they have been in seven years. Fifty-eight percent of Americans believe a third major political party is needed because the Republican and Democratic Parties do a poor job of representing the American people. That is a significant increase from 2008 and ties the high Gallup has recorded for this measure since 2003.

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[mmhmm]

I'd say the individual whose feelings are outlined would fall into the moderate category, if one had to put that person in a particular box. There are some left-leaning ideas expressed, and some right-leaning ideas expressed. This individual is probably much like many of us.

[Bluerobin]

MOTR Party would be about right. Most Americans are middle of the road. Yep the Reps and Dems have lost touch with the people.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 10, 2011 5:36:32 GMT -5 Bluerobin said:

I do support stronger gun laws - If the govt owns it, I should also be able to own it. The Constitution does not limit the right to certain arms.

Are you some kind of a nut?

[ugonow]

I do support stronger gun laws - If the govt owns it, I should also be able to own it. The Constitution does not limit the right to certain arms.



Are you some kind of a nut?

Although I don't advocate it,I think there could be an argument that this is what the constitution allows for.Remember,the framers just came off a revolution against their government,using the same weapons they had. The constitution references arms, not guns, for the purpose of forming a militia.No mention of a gun under your bed for self protection. I know some will cite later rulings and writings on this, but just as those strict constitutionalists that say there is no seperation of church and state in the constitution,IMO,the logic is the same.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 10, 2011 6:02:47 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

I'd say the individual whose feelings are outlined would fall into the moderate category, if one had to put that person in a particular box. There are some left-leaning ideas expressed, and some right-leaning ideas expressed. This individual is probably much like many of us.

I would say this is a mainstream Republican voter. Let's be real: no liberal or democrat would EVER support a balanced budget- if we ever get one, it'll be a party-line vote; no liberal would EVER support term limits- let alone limits at every level of government. You'd NEVER find liberal support for a reduction in the welfare state, a simpler tax system, tort reform, or the elimination of so much as a single worthless government agency.

So, other than pro-abortion, and pro-gun control; what I see is a pretty mainstream conservative Republican voter.

For the OP to get what they want, they'll have to call a "truce" on social issues, just put up with some movement to the right on abortion in exchange for everything else. Which, btw, is the real reason there are no pro-choice conservatives. It's not that you can't be pro-abortion, and fiscally conservative-- it's just that when it comes down to it, pro-abortion voters will vote single issue-- as will many pro-life voters. And so far politicians who are pro-abortion are also profligate spenders. Ahhnold comes to mind.

[ugonow]

Let's be real: no liberal or democrat would EVER support a balanced budget-

Yup, just as all republicans or conservatives support rape and child abuse. Was that a dem in the WH that proclaimed a couple of years ago that Reagan proved deficits don't matter?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 10, 2011 8:55:37 GMT -5 ugonow said:

I do support stronger gun laws - If the govt owns it, I should also be able to own it. The Constitution does not limit the right to certain arms.



Are you some kind of a nut?

Although I don't advocate it,I think there could be an argument that this is what the constitution allows for.Remember,the framers just came off a revolution against their government,using the same weapons they had. The constitution references arms, not guns, for the purpose of forming a militia.No mention of a gun under your bed for self protection. I know some will cite later rulings and writings on this, but just as those strict constitutionalists that say there is no seperation of church and state in the constitution,IMO,the logic is the same.

The right to protect yourself is a natural right. The principle is found in the Declaration, and codified in the Constitution-- not merely in the Second Amendment, but also by virtue of its absence in the enumerated powers-- which are the ONLY things government may do.

I believe in the separation of church and state. We don't live in a theocracy, we don't have a national religion-- for that matter, we have no national government, or national anything. We're a REPUBLIC.

But I don't believe in the radical concept of 'freedom from religion' such as a public employee not being able to carry a Koran, or wear a cross at the office; nor do I buy into ANY government restrictions on what a private citizen can SAY (HELLO 1st Amendement) about their beliefs to anyone who will listen. I'm adamantly opposed to speech regulations and restrictions of any kind.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

May 10, 2011 9:01:48 GMT -5 ugonow said:

Let's be real: no liberal or democrat would EVER support a balanced budget-

Yup, just as all republicans or conservatives support rape and child abuse. Was that a dem in the WH that proclaimed a couple of years ago that Reagan proved deficits don't matter?

Actions speak louder than words. Bill Clinton is credited with a balanced budget, but again- let's be real:

ALL spending bills originate in the House of Representatives which Democrats controlled for almost 43 years prior to 1995.

Democrats had total control before 1995 and all they could come up with to do is a socialist healthcare proposal that failed, and $200 billion deficits as far as they eye could see.

The ONLY balanced budgets in the last 61 years occured when Republicans gained control of the House in 1995 for the first time in more than 42 years. And they were CONSERVATIVE Republicans, not mushy moderates, not 'compassionate' conservatives, not 'truce on social issues' types-- because ONLY principled conservatives will EVER balance the budget. They are the only ones who DID, they are the only ones who WILL.

[magichat]

No liberty loving patriot would support term limits.

[marshabar1]

Except for number one, I agree with you.

To me abortion is murder. There is another body involved. I know this is a complex and horrific issue that will bedevil mankind as long as women get pregnant. People really are standing on two different sides of a moral chasm on this one. People can change sides though. Many women who have had this clinical procedure now stand on the other side of that chasm as a result of the experience. It seems, in this country, to be taken less and less lightly so maybe the advocacy will dry up too.

Great thread topic, g. I'll never remember your name. ;D

[Deleted]

What i wanted to show is that a lot of us really dont fix into the BOX

We have our own morals, upbringing, and education which alters one's views in a number of areas

It is getting tougher and tougher for me to find candidates that i truly like and respect

Most of the time i vote for the lesser of two evils....and to me, that is no way to vote for the leaders of this country

I want us as a country to be more fiscally responsible

I want us to STOP being the world's police force

I want us to be the place every immigrant strives to come to....but LEGALLY (i think the diversity of America's population is one of it's main strengths)

And most of all, we need to teach our youngster's that hard work, ethical behavior, and a good education is what leads to prosperity.....not the .0001% who become movie stars, athletes, or rock stars

[Bluerobin]

PBP, yep, I am a gun nut! I intrepret the constitution literally. If the govt has it, I want it. Only cost should stand in the way, not some lib's misintrepretation of the Constitution. Remember the purpose was to enable citizens to overthrow the govt, should it become hopelessly corrupt. Potato cannons just don't cut it. I want an Abrams tank in my garage.

[b2r]

Two headed baby born in China

A set of rare conjoined twins were born last Thursday in a hospital in southwestern China. The Siamese twin girls were born with two heads, a single body, two arms, two legs, two spines, two esophaguses and share other organs. Doctors have warned it will be impossible to separate the girls.
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCIQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.syracuse.com%2Fhave-you-heard%2Findex.ssf%2F2011%2F05%2Ftwo_headed_baby_born_in_china.html&ei=Ek7JTeibOYq6sAPog9GLAw&usg=AFQjCNH6roxpDmT8O4nfo0ZIhKzpboHUXA



Not to hijack, but, do you deliver this baby if this anomaly is discovered early?

[Bluerobin]

b2r, that is a decision for the mother and her doctor. I really don't care, either way.