Is It the Brain Matter?

[marshabar1]

Has Bambam decided not the release the Osama death photo because his brains are showing?

Does he think the gore will inflame currently uninflamed Muslims to violence?

Does he realize that Muslims in the Middle East routinely mosh their martyrs through the streets, hanging them out of cars, passing them overhead, wagging them in front of little children?

Why the expensive hands on mission to provide indisputable proof that he is dead and then the decision to withhold that proof?

I don't want to see the brain matter. I don't need to. I believe Osama Bin Laden is dead. I think he was as good as dead for many years. Irrelevant.

But all over the Middle East people are denying his death, he has become relevant again.

Iraqis felt better once they saw the Saddam's monster son was really dead. Won't many in the Middle East feel better knowing that the Bin Laden boogey man is really truly dead and gone once and for all? Closure?

As long as this issue lives, Osama lives.

[thyme4change]

Even I, who trusts the government and believes pretty much whatever the news tells me and never heard a conspiracy theory that sounded plausible, thinks the whole thing is weird. They the body within hours, they withhold pictures, and they ask us to trust them? Fishy, fishy, fishy, fishy, fishy. Something is just not right. I have no idea what it is - but there is something decietful about this whole thing.

[marshabar1]

Dirty Pictures of Osama bin Laden

By Andrew Cline on 5.5.11 @ 6:09AM

President Obama has in his possession the world's most expensive photograph. And he won't release it.

The photograph shows the corpse of Osama bin Laden. It might not fetch $3.3 million at a Sotheby's auction, as an Andreas Gursky photo did in 2007, but it cost far more than that to make. Into that single photograph went years of costly intelligence work, untold lives lost in pursuit of its subject, and a military operation that risked the lives of 79 Navy SEALs, numerous U.S. intelligence agents and sources, and a U.S. presidency. And the president won't release it. Why, then, didn't he just blow up bin Laden's hideout?

Here is the Los Angeles Times describing Obama's decision to send SEALs instead of a cruise missile into bin Laden's Pakistani safe house:

He had vetoed a plan to obliterate the compound with an airstrike. Obama wanted to be certain he had Bin Laden, and there was no guarantee that a smoking crater would yield proof. He had asked for a bolder plan, one that would allow the U.S. to take custody of Bin Laden or his body. It posed far more risk.

The risk: the lives of 79 SEALS, America's relations with Pakistan and other important quasi-allies, and Obama's presidency. Failure could have ended all of them. A missile strike would have been clean, quick, and easy to explain. Just one problem: It would have vaporized bin Laden.

So the president made the risky -- and right -- call: Send in the SEALs, bring back the body. They did as their president commanded. They invaded a sovereign country, killed the world's most wanted man, and returned with his corpse -- the proof Obama knew he would need to prove to a skeptical world that the United States had gotten its man.

And then, after all of that, he kept the proof secret. The world has no more evidence of bin Laden's death than a missile strike would have produced. Obama has it. But the world is left in the dark. The people of earth will just have to trust Obama on this one.

I don't for a second doubt that Osama bin Laden was killed in that raid. But others do. And unless the president releases a photo, more will.

spectator.org/archives/2011/05/05/dirty-pictures-of-osama-bin-la

[marshabar1]

Interesting Rush caller. Bullet to the face would leave a large exit wound in back. Bullet to the back of the head would leave a large exit wound in face.

[magichat]

May 5, 2011 12:26:07 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

Interesting Rush caller. Bullet to the face would leave a large exit wound in back. Bullet to the back of the head would leave a large exit wound in face.

Why shoot him execution style when you know what it will do, even if they interrogated him for awhile before killing him, the SEALs are smart enough to shoot him somewhere else other than the back of the head. Or do you really think that little of our troops?

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This will be like the JFK assassination. 50 years from now it will still be unknown.

[thyme4change]

Who will star in the movie that proves a big conspiracy which contradicts an earlier role with a very famous monologue that references the fact that there was no conspiracy?

[marshabar1]

May 5, 2011 12:30:05 GMT -5 @magichat said:

May 5, 2011 12:26:07 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

Interesting Rush caller. Bullet to the face would leave a large exit wound in back. Bullet to the back of the head would leave a large exit wound in face.

Why shoot him execution style when you know what it will do, even if they interrogated him for awhile before killing him, the SEALs are smart enough to shoot him somewhere else other than the back of the head. Or do you really think that little of our troops?

Can't think of a single reason for execution style killing although I am no expert on such matters. With no release of evidence, the speculations will continue and they will grow.

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[magichat]

May 5, 2011 12:37:24 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

May 5, 2011 12:30:05 GMT -5 @magichat said:

Why shoot him execution style when you know what it will do, even if they interrogated him for awhile before killing him, the SEALs are smart enough to shoot him somewhere else other than the back of the head. Or do you really think that little of our troops?

Can't think of a single reason for execution style killing although I am no expert on such matters. With no release of evidence, the speculations will continue and they will grow.

Then why disparage our troops with your speculations, do you hate the military that much?

[marshabar1]

Rep. Rogers saw Osama death photos: "Should we risk the life of one soldier to make these public?"

Rep. Mike Rogers is one of the few people to have seen the Osama bin Laden death photos, and he was a guest on "Piers Morgan Tonight" this evening. The GOP congressman doesn't think the pictures should be released. "Should we risk the life of one soldier to make these public?" he told Piers Morgan. "It doesn't help our cause and may in fact make the life of a solider in Afghanistan more difficult tomorrow. I just don't see the value in that whatsoever."

He also compared the pictures released by Reuters and the ones of bin Laden: "The head wound is a little more severe on the pictures of Osama bin Laden."

piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/04/rep-rogers-saw-osama-death-photos-should-we-risk-the-life-of-one-soldier-to-make-these-public/

[floridayankee]

Has Bambam decided not the release the Osama death photo because his brains are showing?

IMHO, it's not going to make a bit of a difference either way. People are going to cry conspiracy if he doesn't and photoshoped fake if he does.

[ed1066]

May 5, 2011 12:26:07 GMT -5 @marshabar1 said:

Interesting Rush caller. Bullet to the face would leave a large exit wound in back. Bullet to the back of the head would leave a large exit wound in face.

Ballistics is a very tricky science. In short, the SEALs typically carry two weapons, some variant of the M16/M4 rifle and a sidearm which would be either the Beretta M92 9mm (called the M9 in the miltary) or in some cases a 1911-style .45 ACP. There are some variations for special purpose missions, but this would be my guess for an urban assault load out.

Since this was definitely a CQB (close quarters battle) situation, either weapon may have made the kill shot, but I would guess it was the rifle. Likely a 5.56mm (.223 Remington) round.

Assuming the bullet was FMJ and not a hollow point, a shot through the front could leave a minimal exit wound in the back, if it penetrated all the way through at all (not guaranteed). There could be extensive swelling and expansion wounds in the face even if the bullet pentrated from the front. There could be no trauma in the back in this case, or there could be a lot. There are a lot of variables here.

If the sidearm was used (unlikely, I think), then the bullet would almost certainly be a hollow point and the trauma would be extensive both at the entry and exit (assuming it passed through). Anyone's guess, but I heard there were two headshots to the left side of the face, one above the eye and one below.

Either way, that's going to ruin your day...

[magichat]

If I had to guess, I would bet against an M16/M4 as too unwieldy in CQB, I would go with this as their weapon of choice.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP5

The silenced version of course.

[marshabar1]

The three photographs sold by a Pakistani to Reuters show men with face wounds and a huge amount of blood behind their heads on the floor indicating big exit. No? One of the men definitely looks like he may be Osama's son. Very sad. Apparently a will written some years ago has resurfaced.

Osama advised his children not to join al Quaeda or do jihad. He apologized for having so little time for them.

Also reports in UK state that there was a woman who stood in front of Osama who was killed.

Lots of conflicting stuff.

Interesting reports that a coup of sorts took place to get the Osama mission done. Obama in his golf gear and without a lap top in front of him. VP with a lap top. Hands off or what?

[hello fromWarsaw]

The only people I see disbelieving are the world's greatest 24/7/365 whiners and moaners, the great Pub Misled.
The Taliban and Al Qaeda admit he's dead, so shut the %&*# up. TYVM ;D

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Oh, man-- I hope there were no innocent sons killed. It's been a long time since 9/11. I guess it is possible there were young men that are not jihadists in there.... it will all come out in time. Survivors will talk. Still, can't hang out with terrorists... so many different stories.. guns, no guns.. changing all the time.....

[Deleted]

War-- seriously- with the story changing every day, why are you talking trash to those of us following it? Better stop crying to moon about people calling names, buddy.

[Deleted]

Fellatio, no fellatio. I doubt we will ever know.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Something about the difference between lies and facts- watch out for all those communists!! ;D