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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 17:05:56 GMT -5
By ISRAEL SHAMIR The unredacted Guantanamo files show clearly that the trail to Abbottabad was known to the US intelligence services at least since 2005, when al-Libi, another Abbottabad dweller, was captured. Timing is everything. The US President announced killing of Osama bin Laden just as Wikileaks completed its publication of Guantanamo files. Was it coincidence? If not, what was the connection? An answer to this question is directly connected with the cross and double cross accusations exchanged in the murky world where the intelligence services meet mainstream media. Publication of the US secret papers, the Guantanamo Files, was done almost simultaneously by two competing media groups. * One was the Wikileaks of Julian Assange and their partners The Washington Post, The Daily Telegraph, the French Le Monde. * Another one was The New York Times, The Guardian, the Israeli Haaretz. The Guardian said of the files: “They were obtained by the New York Times, who shared them with the Guardian, which is publishing extracts today, having redacted information which might identify informants. The New York Times says the files were made available to it not by Wikileaks, but "by another source on the condition of anonymity". Haaretz made more of it: “A few media outlets, including The New York Times, the Guardian and Haaretz, obtained the documents from an independent source without the help of WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who is under house arrest in Britain awaiting his appeal not to be extradited to Sweden, where he faces charges of rape and sexual assault.” The Guardian’s David Leigh twitted “double-crossing Assange!” Now we’ll give you the story behind the story: who crossed and double crossed whom, which information was redacted and how did it lead to OBL? www.counterpunch.org/shamir05042011.html
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 17:16:52 GMT -5
From same source:
And Osama? What about Osama bin Laden? Now we know that the US knew of his whereabouts; they knew of the trail, they asked Leigh and Keller to remove relevant references. Why didn’t they capture him or kill him earlier?
OBL’s organisation did what the US authorities wanted to be done. They fought the Russians and ruined Afghanistan. They conspired and fought against Hezbollah, slaughtered Shias in Iraq, undermined Qaddafi, hated Hamas and Iran. They supported ethnic cleansing of ‘infidels’ in Chechnya and in the Balkans. They never ever attacked Israel: they preserved their vigor for Sayyed Nasrallah. Like a dreadful beast nurtured in the CIA secret labs, only once they reportedly rebelled against their merciless creator - on 9/11. Osama was greater than, but similar to such American friends as Jonas Savimbi of Angola or Shamil Basayev of Chechnya, and hopefully after his death his organization will vanish like Unita and Basayev did.
The Guantanamo files reveal utter wretchedness of Osama’s unlucky followers. With exception of a few dozen close associates, the rest of the prisoners made a wrong choice ever listening to him. They (especially foreigners) were idealists, who wanted to establish the Kingdom of God upon the earth; they were encouraged by the US to flock to Afghanistan to fight the Commies. The majority of them never even had a chance to hold the gun. They, the foreigners in Afghanistan and Pakistan were sold for bounty to the Americans as fast as possible. They paid for this by years of torture. And now they are about to learn that their supreme chief was safeguarded by the same Americans who tortured them!
But in the mind of the Muslim masses OBL will be remembered (justly or not) as the architect of the only successful response of the oppressed to the Empire on its own soil. And that ensured him greatness of his own and a place in history.
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Post by lakhota on May 4, 2011 17:18:22 GMT -5
Oh goodie, another conspiracy...
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Post by lakhota on May 4, 2011 17:21:37 GMT -5
Can anyone else see why the Muslim world may have been a little upset that two Bush presidents, father and son, invaded the same Muslim country TWICE based on questionable justifications?
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Post by humok on May 4, 2011 17:41:26 GMT -5
Gosh...can anyone say a feather in the hat for Obama right when he needed it most...Only helped his ratings 1%...Big deal...waiting on another terror plot to take place....Will America buy it this time....tune in and see...
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 17:57:36 GMT -5
My brain is not connecting right now, Marsha. Dumb this down for me. What does it mean?
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2011 17:58:44 GMT -5
My brain is not connecting right now, Marsha. Dumb this down for me. What does it mean? Obama bad
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 17:59:38 GMT -5
Is the point that Obama took him down now, as a matter of timing? Sure makes him no better than GWB, that's for sure. Have we really known all this time?
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 17:59:57 GMT -5
My brain is not connecting right now, Marsha. Dumb this down for me. What does it mean? Obama bad LOL ;D
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 18:07:23 GMT -5
The documents from Guantanamo which were released by Wikileaks show that the trail to Abbottabad was known since 2005. The names that were redacted clearly indicate that the trail was being covered up on purpose.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 18:12:16 GMT -5
So, Obama knew for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time? 6 years this monster was living there, and it was no secret? I think a lot about the Mexico situation... can't we change the course this country is on?? Are we all just little ants scrambling around down here for nothing?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 18:18:39 GMT -5
Love how you totally miss what this all means, steff. Cute.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 4, 2011 18:25:54 GMT -5
Knowing what city he is in isn't the same thing as knowing his exact location. Of course it was kept quiet, if Bush or Obama had said, "We know he's in <insert city>, but not just where", he would have fled instantly.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 18:27:39 GMT -5
I bet they all knew. He was in plain sight. Wonder what the game is?
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Post by sesfw on May 4, 2011 18:27:42 GMT -5
If the location was known in 2005 and the major consensus was to not go after him at that time, that would be a very sad thing. I'm grateful that piece of evil is gone now and I hope with the information found in the compound, the other cells of evil will be located and eliminated.
And I'm very glad the information didn't come out until after the Royal Wedding that a lot of the world population rejoiced at. Gave joy in this world of trouble.
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Post by billisonboard on May 4, 2011 18:30:47 GMT -5
Love how you totally miss what this all means, steff. Cute. My brain is not connecting right now, Marsha. Dumb this down for me. What does it mean?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 18:39:07 GMT -5
I guess neither of you has a problem with any of this?? It's okay as long as Bush knew it longer than Obama knew it? If this is true, it is terrible, and nothing to joke or whistle about.
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Post by humok on May 4, 2011 18:43:12 GMT -5
Krickett...They had to have him alive to carry on their mission of nation building...Obama is in desperate need of something to boost his ratings for the coming election and if something does not happen he will definitely loose in 2012.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 18:48:17 GMT -5
Dontcha love the way some posters only talk about other posters alllllllllllllllllllllllllll day lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggg. ;D You ought to pay them rent, Krickitt. For such nice spacious airy digs.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 18:50:20 GMT -5
But why NOW, and not next year? Oh, yeah, wikileaks......... Dang, makes me feel terrible... it's like presidents just switch faces and bodies, throw out some crumbs to keep us distracted, and carry on the same old crud.... Wonder what else that wiki guy has? Too bad he seems to be a rapist.............. unless someone is just trying to shut him up.
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I choose to spend my board time learning things, researching things, improving my own mind.........as for paying rent.... think I would rather be homeless............ ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 19:19:40 GMT -5
I guess neither of you has a problem with any of this?? It's okay as long as Bush knew it longer than Obama knew it? If this is true, it is terrible, and nothing to joke or whistle about. OMG krick... you really believe anything you are told, regardless of the source... as long as it fits what you'd like to believe...
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