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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2011 23:35:32 GMT -5
How quickly people forget how anti war liberals were and the left leaning Congress in Bush's last term..... and now you say he was not a strong enough warrior........interesting..... how do you make your mind do that?
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 3, 2011 23:53:11 GMT -5
We said he was an incompetent catastrophe, and Cheney was a total A-hole...warrior never came into it... Nobody is saying torture got anything but the courier's nick name...IMO and I say it's unamerican nastiness...
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 4, 2011 0:04:41 GMT -5
And we were behind them, and they BLEW it....it's no surprise people biotch about him fcs- we'll be living the after effects for YEARS....
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Post by SweetVirginia on May 4, 2011 0:16:29 GMT -5
These aren't my words, but they do reflect my views. Sounds Like Barry No Class Needed A Prop. www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=39745Bush not accepting that particular invitation after the viciousness of Obama's attacks on Bush policies in the past, coupled with Obama's having adopted the very same policies just shows Bush's inner peace with himself. You must be on fantasy island
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on May 4, 2011 0:18:49 GMT -5
Yup Des...fancy the facts and a real discussion!! Doesn't work out for the Pubs tho...Ed and Vonnie have nothing but stupid insults and high fives 90% of the time, and the other 10% Faux regurgitation...
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Post by henryclay on May 4, 2011 3:43:46 GMT -5
With typical dancing steps, the liberals are displaying their short memories spans. They absolutely refuse to remember that the first months of Obama's reign were devoted to whether or not to prosecute top Bush people for Bush's policy on waterboarding. Yet they are ecstatic that Obama, who was in charge of the accusations that waterboarding was torture and resulted in nothing worthwhile, and himself called for investigations of Bush's people, has now taken credit for the end result of those very waterboarding sessions.
I am more convinced than ever they think Bush should forget the threats and insults and now be the lackey while Obama uses it all as a re-election campaign stunt. What I think is that between the lines of Bush's response to Obama is about as direct a slap in the face as could be delivered by restraint.
Liberal hypocricy knows no bounds. Stoopong low or soaring in the heavens, their hypocricy simply knows no bounds.
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 4, 2011 4:33:29 GMT -5
Palm Beach, you get an exalt- that's twice lately....you da man! But really I would have liked him to have said yes, could have been a great moment for the country...I really would like political discourse to be intellectual and based on facts, not what we have now... Hmmmm....I have more of a feeling you would have dissed him by saying he was trying to take credit. I've not seen even one post of yours that was was not criticizing Republicans. So I think your protest is dishonest.
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Post by magichat on May 4, 2011 7:37:10 GMT -5
Palm Beach, you get an exalt- that's twice lately....you da man! But really I would have liked him to have said yes, could have been a great moment for the country...I really would like political discourse to be intellectual and based on facts, not what we have now...
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Post by Politically_Incorrect12 on May 4, 2011 8:04:23 GMT -5
I'm glad bush declined. With his stumbling speaking abilities and not knowing what words to use he is an embarrassement to the country. Talk about a token because of family, he is sure one. Obama will do well and is respected for the actions he has taken. A very good president. Now if repubs would work with dems they could solve other issues also. Are Dems really complaining that Republicans won't work with them?
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 8:28:57 GMT -5
No, not complaining, think the word is acceptence now. After the times of "No ", even we Dems finally get it , "work with us " , not happening, and now that the only thing on their mind of importance , 2012 electiion, we accept that time to continue, we'll just muddle along and if something does get accomplished just count our blessings.[sigh]
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on May 4, 2011 11:50:11 GMT -5
These aren't my words, but they do reflect my views. Sounds Like Barry No Class Needed A Prop. www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=39745Bush not accepting that particular invitation after the viciousness of Obama's attacks on Bush policies in the past, coupled with Obama's having adopted the very same policies just shows Bush's inner peace with himself. And he has a bit of class I think there is a good chance that Bush would have overshadowed Obama and that is the reason Bush declined.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 12:10:33 GMT -5
A classy person wouldn't dignify a political glam fest with his presence would he? Bush never was and I, I, I, me, me president. Brave, brave Obama. Osama bin Laden dead: Yes, SEALs were in on the raid, but aides hail Obama's office bravery
[/b][/size] latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead.htmlGuess how much Navy Seals are paid. They are paid $54K per year. At best. This administration can't even get their story straight. This administration is a bunch of clowns. Osama had $500 euros sewn into his clothes and he had two phone numbers. This regime doesn't even know how to get this story straight or keep this story straight. CNN says Bin Laden's daughter says he was shot after he was in custody. Eric Holder says assaulters acted in self defense. What a bunch of clowns.
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Post by jkapp on May 4, 2011 12:46:12 GMT -5
Wow...a president/former president who doesn't feel the need to be in the limelight every second of his life. Now will someone tell Carter and Clinton (and most likely Obama eventually) that they can get the hell out from in front of the cameras now??? It's weird to have a former president who isn't so narcissistic to believe we would keep wanting to see him all the time! It's a nice feeling
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Post by deziloooooo on May 4, 2011 12:47:52 GMT -5
A classy person wouldn't dignify a political glam fest with his presence would he? Bush never was and I, I, I, me, me president. Brave, brave Obama. Osama bin Laden dead: Yes, SEALs were in on the raid, but aides hail Obama's office bravery
[/b][/size] latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead.htmlGuess how much Navy Seals are paid. They are paid $54K per year. At best. This administration can't even get their story straight. This administration is a bunch of clowns. Osama had $500 euros sewn into his clothes and he had two phone numbers. This regime doesn't even know how to get this story straight or keep this story straight. CNN says Bin Laden's daughter says he was shot after he was in custody. Eric Holder says assaulters acted in self defense. What a bunch of clowns. [/quote] Seals were being debriefed, all of them thus the information coming out was piecemeal, possible some of it was discussed as to what to keep out and what to keep back, possible some of the story was released after it was realized there were witnesses left alive in Pakistanis authority custody and they were eye witnesses, so possible some information that was to left out, fudged in hind site it was decided might be better to just , except for mission operational secrets , just let it all out , what really happened, "the good , the bad and the ugly" Who says we have the right to know on all these things, it is a real time event, not a serial HBO special. Back you come with the political, think you are on them 24/7, walking the dog, eating , sleeping, relieving and any and all in between.[sigh] As was brought out last night by a retired commander , Seals, in a scenario of, smoke, fire fight, moving up down stairs, no time for nicety's, pat down with insurgents, and feel only their gender saved those who were spared and tied down, if male , most likely all would be dead , and in this case, to try and question anything is foolish, besides the fact, the orders may have been to terminate him, which again, if so, not my right to know, or yours, beyond my pay grade.
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Post by floridayankee on May 4, 2011 13:06:13 GMT -5
Wow...a president/former president who doesn't feel the need to be in the limelight every second of his life. Now will someone tell Carter and Clinton (and most likely Obama eventually) that they can get the hell out from in front of the cameras now???
It's weird to have a former president who isn't so narcissistic to believe we would keep wanting to see him all the time! It's a nice feeling Obama has also invited former president Bill Clinton, but he will likely not be able to attend because of scheduling conflicts. He must be wrong just like Bush is. I guess since the bin Laden series finale has ended, journalists are bored.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2011 13:16:19 GMT -5
W refuses Obama invite to ground zero
President Bush has retired. He no longer has to deal with, be seen with, or talk to socialists. So he passed, no big surprise, I would have too.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 4, 2011 13:16:58 GMT -5
A classy person wouldn't dignify a political glam fest with his presence would he? Bush never was and I, I, I, me, me president. Brave, brave Obama. Osama bin Laden dead: Yes, SEALs were in on the raid, but aides hail Obama's office bravery
[/b][/size] latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-dead.htmlGuess how much Navy Seals are paid. They are paid $54K per year. At best. This administration can't even get their story straight. This administration is a bunch of clowns. Osama had $500 euros sewn into his clothes and he had two phone numbers. This regime doesn't even know how to get this story straight or keep this story straight. CNN says Bin Laden's daughter says he was shot after he was in custody. Eric Holder says assaulters acted in self defense. What a bunch of clowns. [/quote] Seals were being debriefed, all of them thus the information coming out was piecemeal, possible some of it was discussed as to what to keep out and what to keep back, possible some of the story was released after it was realized there were witnesses left alive in Pakistanis authority custody and they were eye witnesses, so possible some information that was to left out, fudged in hind site it was decided might be better to just , except for mission operational secrets , just let it all out , what really happened, "the good , the bad and the ugly" Who says we have the right to know on all these things, it is a real time event, not a serial HBO special. Back you come with the political, think you are on them 24/7, walking the dog, eating , sleeping, relieving and any and all in between.[sigh] As was brought out last night by a retired commander , Seals, in a scenario of, smoke, fire fight, moving up down stairs, no time for nicety's, pat down with insurgents, and feel only their gender saved those who were spared and tied down, if male , most likely all would be dead , and in this case, to try and question anything is foolish, besides the fact, the orders may have been to terminate him, which again, if so, not my right to know, or yours, beyond my pay grade. [/quote] Then they should shut up until the get their phony story straight. ;D Tripping over themselves as usual to get some face time with the camera. Thank God for W's policies that allowed the Navy Seals to go in and kill the man W had effectively put out of commission anyway. Quadrupled funding for Seals. Doubled their number. Future presidents won't have those same policies and tools, thanks to Obama.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 5, 2011 1:33:46 GMT -5
W refuses Obama invite to ground zeroPresident Bush has retired. He no longer has to deal with, be seen with, or talk to socialists. So he passed, no big surprise, I would have too. Not all New Yorkers are as you infer socialist, and to visit once more with some of the families of those who perished , as well as help give closure to the country is , could be a good thing. To also show, though I can see from your statement you don't believe in this, but to show the country that while we at times are part of a political system where there are differences in how we feel the country should be governend, on the big thing of being a united Country, there we do stand together and that is paramount and stands above all the other, and to stand with the present PONTUS , to stand together shoulder to shoulder, showing the continuity of that togetherness no matter the polirics, show thye world whjat America is all about, yes to me, that would have been a good thing. My opinion of course, I realize you don't feel that way.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 5, 2011 1:46:47 GMT -5
Seals were being debriefed, all of them thus the information coming out was piecemeal, possible some of it was discussed as to what to keep out and what to keep back, possible some of the story was released after it was realized there were witnesses left alive in Pakistanis authority custody and they were eye witnesses, so possible some information that was to left out, fudged in hind site it was decided might be better to just , except for mission operational secrets , just let it all out , what really happened, "the good , the bad and the ugly" Who says we have the right to know on all these things, it is a real time event, not a serial HBO special. Back you come with the political, think you are on them 24/7, walking the dog, eating , sleeping, relieving and any and all in between.[sigh] As was brought out last night by a retired commander , Seals, in a scenario of, smoke, fire fight, moving up down stairs, no time for nicety's, pat down with insurgents, and feel only their gender saved those who were spared and tied down, if male , most likely all would be dead , and in this case, to try and question anything is foolish, besides the fact, the orders may have been to terminate him, which again, if so, not my right to know, or yours, beyond my pay grade. Then they should shut up until the get their phony story straight. ;D Tripping over themselves as usual to get some face time with the camera. Thank God for W's policies that allowed the Navy Seals to go in and kill the man W had effectively put out of commission anyway. Quadrupled funding for Seals. Doubled their number. Future presidents won't have those same policies and tools, thanks to Obama. Marsha I am a great one on knowing the true facts, naturally as well as one in my position can know them , and yes Bush did increase special opertions budgets and manning tables and we thank him, but as you usually do you denigrate President Obama's interest and contribution and here , agin, your mistaken, wrong , not telling it as it is. As a female , you might not be aware but prepubescent boys at times are known to some times show each other it , to see who is bigger, as a right of manhood or something , been a while for me so not sure why we did it. Yes I believe I was guilty , took part in the ritual, at one time, but don't want to get into who did more, both POTUS realized the importance and took actions on this subject, special emphasis on special operations. ------------------------------------------------- www.wsws.org/articles/2010/jun2010/spec-j05.shtml------------------------------------------------- [Click on link to read article] ------------------------------------------------- Obama sharply increases secret military operations By Bill Van Auken 5 June 2010 The Obama administration has sharply increased the use of US Special Operations forces in secret military interventions around the world, according to a report Thursday by the Washington Post. The Post reports that the administration has increased to 75 the number of countries where these elements, including US Army Delta Force and Green Beret troops, Navy Seals and other secretive units, are operating, compared to 60 at the beginning of 2009. Funding for these operations has risen accordingly. The Obama White House has requested a 5.7 percent increase in appropriations for Special Operations in fiscal 2011, amounting to a total budget of $6.3 billion. It has also sought another $3.5 billion in contingency funding for Special Ops in 2010. Citing senior US military and administration officials, the Post presents a telling picture of the Janus-like character of the Obama administration’s foreign and military policy: “Beneath its commitment to soft-spoken diplomacy, and beyond the combat zones of Afghanistan and Iraq, the Obama administration has significantly expanded a largely secret US war against al-Qaeda and other radical groups,” the newspaper states. The article continues, “The surge in Special Operations deployments, along with intensified CIA drone attacks in western Pakistan, is the other side of the national security doctrine of global engagement and domestic values President Obama released last week.” ------------------------------------------------------------- Pulled from a article on the 2011 defense budget to be presented to congress , is the following on special operations , increases in buget and equipment for 2011 , manpower too, and beyond, a mention of the future is here too. ============================== For special operations forces, the 2011 budget will call for $6.3 billion for U.S. Special Operations Command, which the summary calls a “6 percent” boost from this fiscal year. The added funds would be used to buy new gear and ISR assets and to improve existing ones, training, and communications systems. “DoD plans to call for SOF funding to continue to increase sharply over the next several years,” the summary says. It also will propose adding 2,800 new special operations personnel. --------------------------------------------- So you can see, Obama is more then holding his own in increasing the capabilities of special operations..Geroge did good, Obama is continuing and increasing even more... In other words , our present POTUS is doing his Presidential duties as Commander In Chief well and dutifully , no matter what some uninformed feel, granted in a semi quiet way, but pushing for the ability to fight the wars of the future to keep our great country as it is, safe and free from our enemies, can't ask much more then that in my opinion.
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Post by mmhmm on May 5, 2011 12:50:41 GMT -5
I agree with paul here. It seems to me both former President Bush and President Obama are putting forth a class act on this issue.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 5, 2011 20:34:43 GMT -5
I watched some of the going on's in Ny today, it seems the whole event went over very well, the interviews with the Fire folk, the lunch, especially liked the interview with Guliani..
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Post by henryclay on May 6, 2011 14:19:55 GMT -5
to stand together shoulder to shoulder, showing the continuity of that togetherness no matter the polirics, show thye world whjat America is all about, yes to me, that would have been a good thing. Why is this the Liberal leftist's sentiment only when there is a Liberal Leftist in the leadership? Where was this Liberal Leftist sentiment during the eight years of George Bush's leadership?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 14:41:15 GMT -5
to stand together shoulder to shoulder, showing the continuity of that togetherness no matter the polirics, show thye world whjat America is all about, yes to me, that would have been a good thing. Why is this the Liberal leftist's sentiment only when there is a Liberal Leftist in the leadership? Where was this Liberal Leftist sentiment during the eight years of George Bush's leadership? Kind of reminds me of how V_L always used to refer to the Republican party as the "party of no" when we had a Democratic majority in congress. Now that the house has a Republican majority, and Democrats are always voting no. There is no talk of the "party of no".
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Post by henryclay on May 6, 2011 15:09:15 GMT -5
From the "hypocrisy files": Despite Obama's claim that "Osama bin Laden is not a trophy," BHO is making the celebrity campaign rounds this week touting his victory, including a photo-op stop at the hallowed memorial of Ground Zero, and countless media interviews. ( Will he also check on progress of the Ground Zero Mosque?) Though Obama has been to New York numerous times for other campaign events, why is this his first ever visit to the Ground Zero memorial?.
Additionally, when denying requests to release photos from the OBL raid, BHO said, "Imagine how the American people would react if al-Qa'ida killed one of our troops or military leaders, and put photos of the body on the internet." Memo to Barack: Al-Qa'ida has killed our troops (not to mention beheaded American citizens) "and has put photos (and videos) of the body on the internet" MANY times, but Americans have yet to strap on explosives and self-detonate amid crowds of Muslim civilians.
Maybe Obama should ask families gathered for his Ground Zero stop how they felt about watching the collapse of the WTC towers upon their loved ones.
For the record, George Bush declined Obama's invitation to join him at the Ground Zero today. Having some knowledge of W's character, I conclude that, out of humility and respect for the victims of 9/11, he did not want to energize or even dignify BHO's re-election campaign stop.
Typical of the hypocrisy from other Useful Idiots on the Left, (see: patriotpost.us/alexander/2004/09/24/useful-idiots-on-the-left/) is the response from Nancy Pelosi. In 2006, when the Bush administration was hunting OBL, she concluded, "Even if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. To capture him now I don't think makes us any safer." However, Monday she changed her tune: "The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qa'ida. I salute President Obama ... in achieving this major accomplishment. ... The death of Osama bin Laden is historic." patriotpost.us/alexander/2011/05/05/bullet-points-obls-termination/
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Post by marshabar1 on May 6, 2011 15:16:19 GMT -5
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Post by henryclay on May 6, 2011 15:23:55 GMT -5
ABC: "Additional Baracko's Cronies".
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Post by marshabar1 on May 6, 2011 15:38:40 GMT -5
If this is his greatest accomplishment it doesn't say much. He is stronger dead than alive at least in the short term. I have never understood the need to get him, he couldn't raise funds, he couldn't do anything. I don't believe for a minute that his whereabouts were unknown. I am absolutely convinced he was observed for years. Kept on ice until some weak president needed an accomplishment.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 15:54:50 GMT -5
He just got through campaigning on TV with the SEALS. Personally I would rather have watched 30 minutes of SEALs training as a tribute.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2011 15:58:26 GMT -5
Or until the wiki story leaked. Good timing all the way around. No one talking about that. Why, I wonder? Not even FOX..... Too sensitive, I guess.
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