Boy, 8, Arrested for 5th Time in 4 Months

[steff]

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I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a legal defined problem... behavior disorder.

There are kids out there that have true behavior disorders just like there are kids out there with ADHD. The problem is that either we as a society are suddenly turning out a hell of a lot of both of them or our kids are not taught to mind by their parents. I'm thinking a lot of parents buy into that "they have mental problems" much easier than the true problem....You suck as a parent.
The truth is that some parents & some kids shouldn't mix. My SIL is raising an anti social blight on society because she just can't control him. Her style of parenting just doesn't work on him.

[ty]

May 2, 2011 16:01:54 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Many times, these kids need both therapy and medication. Just medicating them is not addressing the problem of learning self-control through behavioral modification. The combination of therapy and medication allowed my son, an ADHD sufferer, to achieve his goals and become a happy, productive member of society. He certainly doesn't regret having done either.

People have a tendency to rely on drugs for a quick fix without looking deeper in what's causing the problem. My guess would be lack of parenting in the home contributes to kids behaving badly in the classrooms of our schools.
If they run wild at home, expect them to do the same elsewhere.

Poor kid, poor parents, but there should be programs available for the family to help them with this kid.

[cme1201]

May 2, 2011 16:09:33 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a legal defined problem... behavior disorder.

There are kids out there that have true behavior disorders just like there are kids out there with ADHD. The problem is that either we as a society are suddenly turning out a hell of a lot of both of them or our kids are not taught to mind by their parents. I'm thinking a lot of parents buy into that "they have mental problems" much easier than the true problem....You suck as a parent.
The truth is that some parents & some kids shouldn't mix. My SIL is raising an anti social blight on society because she just can't control him. Her style of parenting just doesn't work on him.

In my day it was called spank therapy, it worked wonder teaching us to mind our P's and Q's, and what is socially acceptable.

***** DISCLAIMER*****

*****I do not advocate child abuse, but damn it, in this society some people just need a good ole fashioned ass whipping to set them on the right path*****

[ty]

In my day it was called spank therapy, it worked wonder teaching us to mind our P's and Q's, and what is socially acceptable.

***** DISCLAIMER*****

*****I do not advocate child abuse, but damn it, in this society some people just need a good ole fashioned ass whipping to set them on the right path*****

It certainly cured our behavior problems when we decided to throw a temper-tantrum or misbehave.

Me cheeks on my bum were purttier than the one's on my face. All rosy red, but my parents never slapped us in the face, maybe a smack in the mouth for saying a bad word, but mostly hawt-sauce was used for that.

[Deleted]

I was a special ed one on one aide for 2 years. My 2nd year I had a multi-diagnoses 1st grader. He tested at genius levels for his age, but was also VERY violent. He was way too smart and mean for special ed, so they assigned me to him and mainstreamed him. I was with him every single second all day long.
He did an hour of school work in minutes, but you could hardly read his work, as his fine motor skills were a mess. During the day we had one on one play therapy in the special ed dept, a lady that worked with him on motor skills, and a very good school counselor that he talked to without me once a week. Sometimes people from the outside would come in because he was so different with his multiple diagnosis-- they said he was schizophrenic and it was almost unheard of in one so young. But he was SO smart-- 5th grade reading level in 1st grade.
I took him from his mother in the morning, and returned him to her after school. She was a good Mom, tried very hard, did everything recommended. On Monday morning she looked like a train ran over her. If I took my eyes off him for one minute he would stab kids with pencils, bite, kick, run screeching around the room. Many times I had to restrain him by getting behind him, folding his arms over his chest, and just holding on until it was over.
Sometimes he was sweet, and would hold my hand walking around the campus, or smile at me. Once a playground monitor slapped him when I was in the bathroom and she was watching him. I turned her in. That little boy was very, very sick. Some kids just don't fit anywhere.
One on one was the best the school district could come up with for him.

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May 2, 2011 16:09:33 GMT -5 @oldtex said:

I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a legal defined problem... behavior disorder.

There are kids out there that have true behavior disorders just like there are kids out there with ADHD. The problem is that either we as a society are suddenly turning out a hell of a lot of both of them or our kids are not taught to mind by their parents. I'm thinking a lot of parents buy into that "they have mental problems" much easier than the true problem....You suck as a parent.
The truth is that some parents & some kids shouldn't mix. My SIL is raising an anti social blight on society because she just can't control him. Her style of parenting just doesn't work on him.

I wasn't touching whether or not he should be identified, or for what, just that fact that he probably is, and therefore the legal landscape changes. Kids who are identified are guarenteed a Free and Appropriate Public Education in the Least Restrictive Environment.

Parents of identified kids have a whole lot of legal clout. If they say the least restrictive, most approriate, education for their child is in the regular classroom... the school will have to fight to prove that this is not true, and place the child against the parents will... So while i don't necessarily like calling police in.... I'm guessing the school is building a case to remove the child from the regular classroom... The school will still need to pay for his alternative placement, but will most likely be able to bypass parental objections to the move...

[Jake 48]

Taser

[straydog]

Cme1201:
Considering they removed the paddle from the Principal's office, made teachers nothing more than overpaid babysitters then No, no adult at the school can control the child, once he starts to hit and bite the only thing that can be done is to remove the child until such time as a parent can get him.

SD:
When I went to school in upstate N.Y. in the 70s, all the teachers had paddles. Some used them, and some did not. And some teachers felt the paddle did not go far enough.

Back then, it was an accepted fact that if you got out of line, you were going to be disciplined with corporal punishment. I assume that most parents back then also accepted this concept.

In N.Y. I believe that they outlawed it in '85. I don't know when P.A. outlawed it, but several years back a teacher in Philly had his neck broken by a bunch of violent kids for taking an ipod away from one of them. I wonder what would have happened to him if, as soon as he realized that he was being attacked, he took measures to properly defend himself - with only regards for his own survival.

www.associatedcontent.com/article/160728/high_school_math_teacher_assaulted_p92.html?cp7=4

P.S. Thanks to whoever gave me a karma!

[cme1201]

toughtimes said: "I find these types of stories deeply troubling and wonder whether some of these children suffer from undiagnosed brain damage of some type and not just lousy discipline. I have experienced several situations myself."

I doubt it's brain damage, more along the lines of very poor impulse control. Seems nowadays parents, being younger and younger, have not fully developed there own impulse control so teaching it to there children becomes almost impossible. With the divorce rate where it is, more than likely, troubled children are acting out what they see there parents do.

When sports clubs tout the fact they do not keep score nor record wins or losses, teaching we all are winners, no one loses, are a special in your own way, parents want to be friends not have to say no, don't stop, schools forced to teach to the lowest common denominator, teach to the test not test teaching skills, and deal with the aftermath of constant disruptions, it's easy to see why some kids get the message that it's not a big deal, I'm special and you can deal with it, mememe iii personality types will push what ever boundry they can, just to test what break and what don't.

[deziloooooo]

May 2, 2011 9:30:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Here in AR we have a thing called "Alternative schools" for just that type of problem. That child shouldn't be in the regular school system. It's not set up to handle him.

If they have those who are actually trained in dealing with kids who have these problems, or are they just holding places, main responsibilities is to legally give them the time for education till time to cut them loose , basically holding cells..

[billisonboard]

May 2, 2011 21:03:53 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

May 2, 2011 9:30:23 GMT -5 @jma23 said:

Here in AR we have a thing called "Alternative schools" for just that type of problem. That child shouldn't be in the regular school system. It's not set up to handle him.

If they have those who are actually trained in dealing with kids who have these problems, or are they just holding places, main responsibilities is to legally give them the time for education till time to cut them loose , basically holding cells..

I worked in one dezi... We were a holding cell in-between their visits to the ones with bars. I was very "wet behind the ears" at the time. I had a juvenile parole (not probation) officer sit me down one day and explain to me that, "most if not all of these kids will spend most if not all of their adult lives in prison. Our job is to reach that one who might not." I remember one day we had a 14 year old student walk in on exactly the twentieth school day since last attending. He start talking to someone, one of the teachers asked him to sit down, he turned and said, "Fuck you bitch," and was immediately sent out for a rules infraction. But you know what, he wasn't dis-enrolled from school for missing that twenty-first day. He knew that 14 year olds, even ones living with (in the biblical sense) a 25 year old, should be a student somewhere. I remember another who teared up when he realized he had pushed the envelope too far before he had a chance to eat lunch. Begged to be able to stay. I don't know how one is trained to deal with the reality these kids face each day.

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

Just an FYI, "Alternative School" is here a large catch phrase to encompass those who do not adapt to a "regular" school schedule. They in no way reflect upon those who attended, one I knew who went there worked full-time to support his worthless parents and another was a gal who wanted to be a foreign languages major and made the mistake of not taking enough "electives" to graduate on time. I married the latter, and she now holds an MBA.

[deziloooooo]

May 2, 2011 23:53:45 GMT -5 Mad Dawg Wiccan said:

Just an FYI, "Alternative School" is here a large catch phrase to encompass those who do not adapt to a "regular" school schedule. They in no way reflect upon those who attended, one I knew who went there worked full-time to support his worthless parents and another was a gal who wanted to be a foreign languages major and made the mistake of not taking enough "electives" to graduate on time. I married the latter, and she now holds an MBA.

A good story this AM, ty. ;D and a hug from me, don't take it the wrong way , to your significant other, for persevering and accompishing her goal, she must be a special person to over come all that.

[billisonboard]

May 2, 2011 23:53:45 GMT -5 Mad Dawg Wiccan said:

Just an FYI, "Alternative School" is here a large catch phrase to encompass those who do not adapt to a "regular" school schedule. ....

I used to hang out with a guy who was a principal. He refused to call his school an "alternative" school because he said that the schools that had been around longer shouldn't be considered the "norm".

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I didn't mean anything more by alternative than its generic sense... being an alternate choice from the 'regular' public school... although i know that so named 'alternative' schools do exist..

[ty]

May 2, 2011 16:54:25 GMT -5 Jake 48 said:

Taser

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

May 3, 2011 21:14:46 GMT -5 oped said:

I didn't mean anything more by alternative than its generic sense... being an alternate choice from the 'regular' public school... although i know that so named 'alternative' schools do exist..

Understood, at least by me. Here in CA, they are known as "continuation" schools. My father used to be the Principal of one.

[ty]

May 2, 2011 23:53:45 GMT -5 Mad Dawg Wiccan said:

Just an FYI, "Alternative School" is here a large catch phrase to encompass those who do not adapt to a "regular" school schedule. They in no way reflect upon those who attended, one I knew who went there worked full-time to support his worthless parents and another was a gal who wanted to be a foreign languages major and made the mistake of not taking enough "electives" to graduate on time. I married the latter, and she now holds an MBA.

I don't think alternative schooling should be happening. I have known a few kids that enjoyed alternative school because it was easier for them to get tossed out on just about anything they do or did. They treat the kids like grade-schoolers that are in high-school, treating them to movies for doing their homework. Serving them snacks and stuff like that.

A good swift kick in the azz or a good-ole-fashion spanking on the rear is a better solution for a lot for these kids. and then you have all these ADHD collecting SSI and not going to school but able to party and text on their cell phones. If a teen can text on a cell, then they should be able to read a book.

Doping up kids is not the solution to their problems. It;'s just a quick fix for those that don't want to bother parenting their kids or taking the time to parent their kids and teach them how to behave and be respectful in school and other public places.

[billisonboard]

May 3, 2011 21:42:05 GMT -5 @ty said:

May 2, 2011 23:53:45 GMT -5 Mad Dawg Wiccan said:

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I don't think alternative schooling should be happening. ...

Name one other area, other than schooling, in human existence where it has been determined to be appropriate to have 100% of the population of a certain age to be doing exactly the same thing.

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May 3, 2011 21:49:14 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

May 3, 2011 21:42:05 GMT -5 @ty said:

I don't think alternative schooling should be happening. ...

Name one other area, other than schooling, in human existence where it has been determined to be appropriate to have 100% of the population of a certain age to be doing exactly the same thing.

Ansel Adams, the Wright Brothers, Henry Ford, Winston Chruchill, Einstein... ad nauesum.... history is full of people who did NOT excel at 'schooling'... but who took alternatives to success, other educational institutions, hands on apprenticeships, independent learning.... etc... I think we miss a LOT of innovation these days but setting the factory machine to a single mold and 'beating up' or medicating those that don't fit....

[handyman2]

Lets face it the schools hands are tied by law and the child knows it. Good chance he loves the attention he is getting. No consequences and the child is in control. Give him credit he knows what he is doing and enjoying it most likely. When there are no consequences why should he not act out? The down side is he will keep being an ass and one day he will chose the wrong time and somebody just as mean will kill him or he will end in prison.