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Post by cme1201 on May 2, 2011 9:24:13 GMT -5
www.parentdish.com/2011/03/03/boy-arrested-for-fifth-time/?ncid=txtlnkusbbab00000004From the article: He grabbed, bit, kicked and pushed teachers. He spit on an adult. He punched out a window with his hands. He threw chairs, sticks and other objects at teachers and students. And, now, he faces his fifth arrest. Robert Wesley, an Orange County public defender, tells the Sentinel he has taken the case personally because his younger brother has a disability and sometimes lashes out. "Why aren't we dealing with this more holistically? Why are we dealing with it the way we deal with an adult who has hit somebody or damaged some property?" he asks the newspaper." The Public Defender needs to be asking why the parents are unable to contorl there child. 5 Arrests in 4 Months, the shcool should have expelled this student after the 2nd or 3rd time. I understand he may have problems, but, the other children should not have to face the disruption that this one child is causing on a learning enviroment.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 2, 2011 9:28:48 GMT -5
Does the child have a diagnosed mental condition, or is this a discipline problem? That's the question. One thing is for certain, all this interaction with the police is not a positive thing. What if he needs help at some point? Will he be comfortable summoning police? Do we really need to involve the police in an incident with an 8 year old? Really? No other adults can deal with this?
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Post by floridayankee on May 2, 2011 9:28:03 GMT -5
From the article: He grabbed, bit, kicked and pushed teachers. He spit on an adult. He punched out a window with his hands. He threw chairs, sticks and other objects at teachers and students. And, now, he faces his fifth arrest. Gives you a little understanding why some species of animals eat their young.....
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 9:30:23 GMT -5
Here in AR we have a thing called "Alternative schools" for just that type of problem. That child shouldn't be in the regular school system. It's not set up to handle him.
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Post by cme1201 on May 2, 2011 9:37:31 GMT -5
PalmBeachPaul said: "Do we really need to involve the police in an incident with an 8 year old? Really? No other adults can deal with this? "
Considering they removed the "paddle" from the Principal's office, made teachers nothing more than overpaid babysitters then No, no adult at the school can control the child, once he starts to hit and bite the only thing that can be done is to "remove" the child until such time as a parent can get him.
More from the article: "Arrested on March 1 for the fifth time since November, the newspaper reports, the boy spent the next three days in juvenile detention.
His rap sheet would make young Al Capone jealous with charges as aggravated battery, criminal mischief and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon."
Seems this child has never been taught any kind of self control, at 8 with the rap sheet he has, he will be spending a long time in a closed cell, if he can't get the "shock-therapy" of what the big league prison system will do to him.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2011 9:39:30 GMT -5
Another case screaming out for vouchers for private schools. Here is one I found in Orlando: www.lhps.org/dnn/They even have a part of the prep school for younger ones: The Lower School provides a challenging academic program in a warm and nurturing environment. The educational experience is balanced with quality programs, emphasizing academics, arts, physical education, and character development. By addressing the developmental needs at each grade level, students mature into motivated independent learners.
I am sure these fine folks would be more than happy to help this young man succeed.
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Post by cme1201 on May 2, 2011 9:44:14 GMT -5
Bills: #6 is neither here nor there, If the parents allowed the boy to spend 3 days in lock up, do you really believe that they would shell out the 90$ for the pre-admittance test required to go to that private school? And I highly doubt they would allow someone with violent behavior tendancies to enroll and endanger the children. Tuition Tuition 2011-2012 Pre Kindergarten $9,000.00 Kindergarten $10,000.00 Grades 1-5 $13,750.00 Grade 6 $15,000.00 Grades 7-12 $16,500.00 Families may choose between three tuition payment plans: one annual payment, two semester payments, or 9 monthly payments. A finance charge of 12% applies to the semester and monthly payment plans. admission.lhps.org/TUITION/tabid/1027/Default.aspxIf the parents have anywhere near the kind of money that this private school charges they need to get this child serious mental health help, so he can become something productive not destructive. This will be my last bit about your "promoting" this or schools like it to help this student. Submit teacher recommendation form(s). All students applying to Lake Highland should give the appropriate recommendation forms to current teacher(s) and administrators for completion along with a stamped envelope addressed to: Lake Highland Preparatory School Attn: Admission Office 901 N. Highland Ave. Orlando, FL 32803 Teacher recommendation forms may also be faxed to the Admission Office at (407) 206-5042. See the table at the bottom of this page to download the required teacher recommendation form(s). So from his history, would you want a teacher feeling out a "recomendation" for this troubled student just to get the problem out of one's schools hair and placed into another?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 10:14:15 GMT -5
Children acting out is even going on here where I live. Everybody is afraid to do anything about the situation because of fear of being sued. We aren't talking about kids with mental problems either, we are talking about kids that know that they can do anything & get away with it. Suspend them & you have deprived them of the right to a free education. Whip them (teacher or parent) & you are abusing them. Maybe the best thing to do is to let them do what they want until they are adults & then when natural progression takes place & they kill someone you execute them or they rob a bank you put them in prison & the other inmates teach them what happens if you have no self control.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2011 10:16:53 GMT -5
Bills: #6 is neither here nor there, If the parents allowed the boy to spend 3 days in lock up, do you really believe that they would shell out the 90$ for the pre-admittance test required to go to that private school? And I highly doubt they would allow someone with violent behavior tendancies to enroll and endanger the children. Tuition Tuition 2011-2012 Pre Kindergarten $9,000.00 Kindergarten $10,000.00 Grades 1-5 $13,750.00 Grade 6 $15,000.00 Grades 7-12 $16,500.00 Families may choose between three tuition payment plans: one annual payment, two semester payments, or 9 monthly payments. A finance charge of 12% applies to the semester and monthly payment plans. admission.lhps.org/TUITION/tabid/1027/Default.aspxIf the parents have anywhere near the kind of money that this private school charges they need to get this child serious mental health help, so he can become something productive not destructive. This will be my last bit about your "promoting" this or schools like it to help this student. Submit teacher recommendation form(s). All students applying to Lake Highland should give the appropriate recommendation forms to current teacher(s) and administrators for completion along with a stamped envelope addressed to: Lake Highland Preparatory School Attn: Admission Office 901 N. Highland Ave. Orlando, FL 32803 Teacher recommendation forms may also be faxed to the Admission Office at (407) 206-5042. See the table at the bottom of this page to download the required teacher recommendation form(s). So from his history, would you want a teacher feeling out a "recomendation" for this troubled student just to get the problem out of one's schools hair and placed into another?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 11:57:58 GMT -5
My daughter and 80 other kids got suspended for 3 days for fighting, even the "popcorn munchers" like my daughter that were just watching. Plus-- it was off school grounds, but the distance and time frame put it in the school's jurisdiction. They were all told one more incident would mean expulsion. No one was arrested. The 2 kids that were fighting made it through the year without incident. So did all the rest. Allowing kids to repeatedly get away with bad behavior only encourages more. Another kid got caught with a joint in 8th grade at a bus stop. She WAS paper arrested, had to go to 6 counseling sessions, attend drug classes, and all charges were dropped 6 months later. She is 19 now, and has never been in trouble since. Good kid. It has to be stopped early-- no coddling. Whatever it takes.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 2, 2011 12:01:22 GMT -5
Here in AR we have a thing called "Alternative schools" for just that type of problem. That child shouldn't be in the regular school system. It's not set up to handle him. In my day they were called reform schools. And that is where this spawn of Satan should be.
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Post by cme1201 on May 2, 2011 12:17:21 GMT -5
Here in AR we have a thing called "Alternative schools" for just that type of problem. That child shouldn't be in the regular school system. It's not set up to handle him. In my day they were called reform schools. And that is where this spawn of Satan should be. So no arguement of Nature or nurture, just boy is evile? I believe his parents should be spending time with him behind bars everytime he acts up, they will solve his behavioral problems when bosses tell em 1 more and you don't work here no more.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on May 2, 2011 12:18:08 GMT -5
Here in AR we have a thing called "Alternative schools" for just that type of problem. That child shouldn't be in the regular school system. It's not set up to handle him. In my day they were called reform schools. And that is where this spawn of Satan should be. Agreed, or military school.
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Post by mmhmm on May 2, 2011 12:19:59 GMT -5
Whether the child is mentally ill, or not, other children should not have to be subjected to his brutality. If the parents can't control him, and he can't control himself, something needs to be done to prevent him harming others. It's a shame, but it sounds like the police are the only alternative available.
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Post by BeenThere...DoneThat... on May 2, 2011 12:28:41 GMT -5
<<< the other children should not have to face the disruption that this one child is causing on a learning enviroment. >>> ...herein lies part of my problem with this whole thing... kids have been subjected to disruptions in the classroom for so many things in recent decades, all in the name of "diversity training" and "inclusion" and NCLB... it seems like we have handcuffed ourselves with countless PC limitations and expectations... as a result, we can't effectively separate the sheep and goats anymore... leaving us with an ineffective herd... ...so here we have a goat that needed to be gone several arrests ago... but unless we have a zero tolerance policy on discipline issues, we will have stories like these...
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 12:52:44 GMT -5
We have near zero tolerance in Tucson. 1 strike and you are out. We have to, or the angry teens radicalized in La Raza type classes will take over our city. Unfortunately we are also graduating really uneducated kids because we can't flunk them here. We're down there around CA near 50th worst education in the country. If parents don't take part in the kid's education, the kids will not know how to spell, do math, nothing. PC nonsense has a lot to do with this. YIPPEE!!! Come to lovely AZ and train your child to be an angry radical that can't spell the words on their protest signs!!
But, back on topic, we do have lots of alternative schools for kids that can't or won't mainstream.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 13:34:59 GMT -5
I didn't read it all... i should but i'm short on time. I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a legal defined problem... behavior disorder. As such, the school becomes limited to what it can do, so it probably has to call the police in order to form a foundation for getting him removed from the school... of course the school will still end up paying for his alternative options... but the parents will be less able to fight those alternatives with a police record of aggression and vandalism.... schools and police have different rules/options... and usually can work together pretty well when necessary...
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Post by ty on May 2, 2011 13:37:22 GMT -5
This may well be a child with a mental disorder being raised by a couple of fools. I watched the mother on CNN and I agree with you on this one. She has a few screws loose in her head as well. CPS needs to get involved in this boys care. The mother needs help.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 2, 2011 14:43:31 GMT -5
This may well be a child with a mental disorder being raised by a couple of fools. Frustrated kid big time. The school should make sure he receives a mental health evaluation instead of relying first, foremost and always on law enforcement to suppress trouble.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 2, 2011 14:44:47 GMT -5
Takes medication for ADHD. No telling how much of this is the result of the medication.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2011 14:56:34 GMT -5
This may well be a child with a mental disorder being raised by a couple of fools. Frustrated kid big time. The school should make sure he receives a mental health evaluation instead of relying first, foremost and always on law enforcement to suppress trouble. How dare these people not turn to mental health professionals in this case!!!Takes medication for ADHD. No telling how much of this is the result of the medication. How dare these people turn to physical health professionals in this case!!!
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Post by floridayankee on May 2, 2011 14:57:55 GMT -5
[youtube]Takes medication for ADHD. No telling how much of this is the result of the medication. Kids are way too over-medicated these days, IMHO.
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Post by billisonboard on May 2, 2011 15:08:03 GMT -5
... Oh lordy you people crack me up with the contradictions from one hour to the next..... One hour to the next? Check out my reply #21. One minute to the next.
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Post by marshabar1 on May 2, 2011 15:09:15 GMT -5
Easy lapses into hysteria?
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Post by mmhmm on May 2, 2011 15:10:22 GMT -5
It does often seem some folks have a real problem discerning of what the government should take control, and when, as opposed to what the government should stay out of, and when. Looks like it's one of those "damned if you do and damned if you don't" scenaria.
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Post by swamp on May 2, 2011 15:10:22 GMT -5
The school psychologist probably already has done an eval on the kid. The school is probably building their case be able to get the kid in foster care.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 15:58:33 GMT -5
Can't speak for Marsha, but I believe in therapy, and not usually in random drugging of kids. THAT is not contradictory. Lots of people on drugs that don't work, or make them worse, when what they need is therapy.
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Post by mmhmm on May 2, 2011 16:01:54 GMT -5
Many times, these kids need both therapy and medication. Just medicating them is not addressing the problem of learning self-control through behavioral modification. The combination of therapy and medication allowed my son, an ADHD sufferer, to achieve his goals and become a happy, productive member of society. He certainly doesn't regret having done either.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 2, 2011 16:06:36 GMT -5
My daughter and 80 other kids got suspended for 3 days for fighting, even the "popcorn munchers" like my daughter that were just watching. Plus-- it was off school grounds, but the distance and time frame put it in the school's jurisdiction. They were all told one more incident would mean expulsion. No one was arrested. The 2 kids that were fighting made it through the year without incident. So did all the rest. Allowing kids to repeatedly get away with bad behavior only encourages more. Another kid got caught with a joint in 8th grade at a bus stop. She WAS paper arrested, had to go to 6 counseling sessions, attend drug classes, and all charges were dropped 6 months later. She is 19 now, and has never been in trouble since. Good kid. It has to be stopped early-- no coddling. Whatever it takes. That's a pretty powerful statement the school made- and lo and behold it worked.
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