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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2011 13:03:23 GMT -5
Personally, I feel that if you are not mentally capable or able to read, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. ... I taught a young lady who was able to make the commonly accepted sounds that corresponded to the letters arranged on the page quickly and perfectly. After she had finished a page, when asked what she had just "read", she would not have any idea. I taught other students who struggled with the printed word but you talk to them and they were quick to understand. Personally, I feel if a court has ruled that you are mentally incompetent, you should not be allowed to vote. Short of that, you should be allowed.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 13:04:07 GMT -5
People without the ability to think and reason should not vote. I am amazed that anyone could think otherwise.
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2011 13:10:50 GMT -5
People without the ability to think and reason should not vote. I am amazed that anyone could think otherwise. I am not sure that anyone thinks otherwise. The question becomes who determines who can't "think and reason". If you aren't familiar the history of how such was used in the South, here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_test
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Post by ty on May 1, 2011 13:20:22 GMT -5
People without the ability to think and reason should not vote. I am amazed that anyone could think otherwise. I am not sure that anyone thinks otherwise. The question becomes who determines who can't "think and reason". If you aren't familiar the history of how such was used in the South, here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_testIf someone thinks they are voting for Gerald Ford, then that person shouldn't even be allowed to vote unless there was a Gerald Ford on the voting ballot. This young man never should have been allowed to vote. The person that helped him vote got to vote two or more times depending on how many mentally challenged people she was taking care of. She should be fired and prosecuted for voter fraud imo.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 13:24:53 GMT -5
Clearly. Families do not like having to take their old people to court and remove their rights. I don't blame them, have seen families badly split over this in my cab. Some old people have their own thinking, but inaccurate, minds, do not know they are "not alright", and it is painful for them to have their children take away their rights. If people would just not do such underhanded things this would not be necessary. It's sad.
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Post by ty on May 1, 2011 13:27:07 GMT -5
Clearly. Families do not like having to take their old people to court and remove their rights. I don't blame them, have seen families badly split over this in my cab. Some old people have their own thinking, but inaccurate, minds, do not know they are "not alright", and it is painful for them to have their children take away their rights. If people would just not do such underhanded things this would not be necessary. It's sad.
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2011 13:32:18 GMT -5
I am not sure that anyone thinks otherwise. The question becomes who determines who can't "think and reason". If you aren't familiar the history of how such was used in the South, here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_testIf someone thinks they are voting for Gerald Ford, then that person shouldn't even be allowed to vote unless there was a Gerald Ford on the voting ballot. This young man never should have been allowed to vote. The person that helped him vote got to vote two or more times depending on how many mentally challenged people she was taking care of. She should be fired and prosecuted for voter fraud imo. Just to be clear what you are proposing. People hired to work with people in group homes should be responsible, under penalty of law, to determine who is and who is not competent to vote. Am I correct?
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Post by ty on May 1, 2011 13:34:50 GMT -5
If someone thinks they are voting for Gerald Ford, then that person shouldn't even be allowed to vote unless there was a Gerald Ford on the voting ballot. This young man never should have been allowed to vote. The person that helped him vote got to vote two or more times depending on how many mentally challenged people she was taking care of. She should be fired and prosecuted for voter fraud imo. Just to be clear what you are proposing. People hired to work with people in group homes should be responsible, under penalty of law, to determine who is and who is not competent to vote. Am I correct? True, but when this worker knew he was voting for Gerald Ford, that should have let her know right up front to void his ballot. She didn't do that. He ended up voting for someone he didn't even know he voted for.
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Post by billisonboard on May 1, 2011 13:42:47 GMT -5
Just to be clear what you are proposing. People hired to work with people in group homes should be responsible, under penalty of law, to determine who is and who is not competent to vote. Am I correct? True, but when this worker knew he was voting for Gerald Ford, that should have let her know right up front to void his ballot. She didn't do that. He ended up voting for someone he didn't even know he voted for.How do you know she knew? And even if he came out of the voting booth and announced it, you say that this worker should have taken the ballot from him and thrown it away?
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Post by ty on May 1, 2011 13:47:58 GMT -5
True, but when this worker knew he was voting for Gerald Ford, that should have let her know right up front to void his ballot. She didn't do that. He ended up voting for someone he didn't even know he voted for. How do you know she knew? And even if he came out of the voting booth and announced it, you say that this worker should have taken the ballot from him and thrown it away? Sure she knew, because the parents later asked him who he voted for and he said Gerald Ford. As for throwing away the ballot, you don't do that. You just hand it to one of the people working at the polls and let them know that he is not able to vote. Then they will null & void that particular ballot. This worker may also be abusing her authority in coercing other mentally challenged people to vote a certain way. If they are not able to vote on their own and are mentally challenged to where they don't even now who they are voting for, they shouldn't be voting in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 13:55:33 GMT -5
What I would like to know is if this guy, and others in similar situations, are ASKED if they want to vote, or if they SAY they want to go vote. If they demand it, I can see an issue with not being able to stop it, but the centers should know the residents pretty well, and certainly not initiate the voting conversation if they know the person/people are incompetent.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 1, 2011 13:59:40 GMT -5
What is wrong with telling people an election day is on hand and asking anyone if they would like to vote in a local, state or federal election? Unless they are legally deemed incompetent, everyone has a right to vote.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 14:10:50 GMT -5
It is irresponsible and should be criminal to ask incompetent people if they want to vote. Those that can think and reason should be singled out privately. I guess you guys want all kinds of families hurting by making them all go to court against their old people just to stop this from happening?? That is just another lack of respect for the elderly, AND their families, who are often footing the bill. AZ is FULL of retirement homes, most with out of state family. I have driven 100s of these old people, and do not think they should be abused or taken advantage of in any way. Some of these people or their families pay thousands of $$ a month for care.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:33:09 GMT -5
No krick... they don't have to go to court... if they don't feel their loved ones are being cared for properly... they can just take them back home and care for them themselves... it isn't a requirement to have your loved one live in an institution or group home...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:34:25 GMT -5
lol... families do NOT pay thousands of $$ for care at those places... the STATE pays thousands of dollars for care... If the family was paying... THEY could fire the people they don't like...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:34:59 GMT -5
Not everyone has that option, especially if the person needs 24/7/365 care.
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Post by Shirina on May 1, 2011 15:39:39 GMT -5
By this same standard, every person attempting to cast a vote should have to take an oral exam to ensure that the person knows enough about the candidate they plan to vote for.
Voting for Bush because he prays or voting for Carter because he has a nice smile ... or voting for Kennedy because he doesn't have sweat on his upper lip sounds like those voters are mentally incompetent to me, at least in a political sense.
A lot of people don't really know who they're voting for, even intelligent people.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:39:39 GMT -5
WRONG, oped!! There ARE places that are state run, and take the SS (that by contract with the USA they have earned) of the people for their care. Those places are usually horrible. Then there are higher end places that can run from $2000-$5000 a month CASH, often paid by a family member, or an old person's own retirement account. That is FACT, so you can't disprove it, unless you consider SS to be welfare, which I do not.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:41:12 GMT -5
True, shirina. Idiots everywhere, and they are being hauled in buses to vote.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:42:44 GMT -5
Are you talking Nursing Homes krick? ... or Group Homes? ...
Are you suggesting people in Nursing Homes school not be allowed to vote?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:46:23 GMT -5
Yes, I would expect that. I drive lots of old people, lots of caretakers. They know perfectly well what their charge is capable of. I've had old people from nursing homes put in my cab with instructions to the MD pinned to their clothes, and I was told to not let them out of my sight, deliver them in to the hands of a nurse. They know EXACTLY what their residents are capable of. Take mmhmm's old Mom. You could say she cares for her in shifts, since she works. She is completely aware of what her mother is capable of, and so are good paid caretakers.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:47:07 GMT -5
Am I talking to you, or replying to what you said, steff? No- that is why I said shirina.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:50:01 GMT -5
Oped- I am suggesting that people that are unable to reason and think clearly, under the care of a paid professional, should not be taken by that paid professional to vote for a long dead POTUS.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:51:42 GMT -5
And if you choose to attribute a comment I make as an answer to a comment you made when I specifically name who I am responding to-- a bit dishonest in how you are trying, and failing, to make me look to others.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2011 15:53:33 GMT -5
I've really said all I have to say on this subject. No need to repeat myself.
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