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Post by vonnie6200 on Apr 27, 2011 20:08:41 GMT -5
My simple reasoning for believing Obama is a citizen is that I have faith in the Secret Service, the CIA, the NSA and other agencies. If this guy wasn't the real deal, they'd have taken him down by now. Like any one of these agencies has never been involved in a cover up before?
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Post by marshabar1 on Apr 27, 2011 20:15:58 GMT -5
My simple reasoning for believing Obama is a citizen is that I have faith in the Secret Service, the CIA, the NSA and other agencies. If this guy wasn't the real deal, they'd have taken him down by now. Like any one of these agencies has never been involved in a cover up before? ;D
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Post by sanityjones on Apr 27, 2011 21:09:31 GMT -5
I wasn't ready to see all the birther's go so soon. That will be enough of the silly pictures Tenn.
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Post by marshabar1 on Apr 27, 2011 21:30:59 GMT -5
I Can Emphatically Tell You That The Document Posted On White House.gov Has Been Either Pasted Together, Or For Some Reason Taken ApartPeople have been asking me to weigh in on the veracity of the newly released white house COLB because they know that in “real life” I’m a graphic designer. I can emphatically tell you that this document is not merely a scan of a document that has been uploaded to the internet. This is a document that has been either put together or taken apart prior to the upload, and even Charles Johnson would have to admit that. After downloading the document that Whitehouse.gov made available to the public I opened the file in illustrator and the file is indeed in layers, which cannot happen unless the document was edited. iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=73096
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 22:31:12 GMT -5
Here we go again...........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2011 23:08:19 GMT -5
Get this, Marsha. Surprise, surprise-- the MD that delivered him is dead............
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Post by ugonow on Apr 28, 2011 17:51:22 GMT -5
So now the question is....was it the Clintons,or the Obamas that had him killed?
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Post by steff on Apr 28, 2011 17:54:31 GMT -5
So now the question is....was it the Clintons,or the Obamas that had him killed? it was the build-a-burgers shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 20:02:37 GMT -5
No, he's been dead awhile. It took them awhile to find a doc to put on the BC............
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 28, 2011 20:17:52 GMT -5
"Personally I care more about one's ability, intelligence and accomplishments."
Right, and loyalty to the country you serve isn't important. Personally I'd rather have someone with the best interests of the country at heart and a bufoon than someone smart who wants to drive the country into the ground.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 20:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by marshabar1 on Apr 28, 2011 21:53:04 GMT -5
Hear hear, phenoix84! Karma dude.
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Post by marshabar1 on Apr 28, 2011 22:08:15 GMT -5
In January 2009, a teacher at the Honolulu prep school attended by Barack Obama recalled discussing his birth with the obstetrician who had delivered him: When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu. "I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone," said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here's the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: "So, tell me something interesting that happened this week," she recalls. His response: "Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that's something to write home about." The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama. "I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it," said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the "Stanley" connection. She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby's father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby's name. "I remember Dr. West saying 'Barack Hussein Obama, now that's a musical name,'" said Nelson. Ten years after that memorable birth announcement, Nelson would hear the Obama name again. This time, the father, now a Kenyan government official, was coming to speak at the Punahou School in Honolulu where Nelson was teaching and where his 10-year-old son was a newly enrolled fifth-grader. www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.aspFrom SNOPES, yo!Dr. West?? Delivered Barack Hussein Obama?
Who the hell is Dr. Sinclair then? You know, the doctor who signed as the attending physician on Obama's new birth certificate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 23:35:24 GMT -5
The plot thickens.............................
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Post by ameiko on Apr 28, 2011 23:50:04 GMT -5
My simple reasoning for believing Obama is a citizen is that I have faith in the Secret Service, the CIA, the NSA and other agencies. If this guy wasn't the real deal, they'd have taken him down by now. I wasn't aware that any of them, certainly not the secret service, had the authority to remove him. I don't believe Obama because of all the time, effort, and money spent trying to hide the birth certificate when the easiest thing to do would have been to just release it when Hillary's camp raised the issue over three years ago. Makes no sense to me why not defuse this nonsense right away unless they had something to hide. Right now, even if an authority had the power to remove Obama (I guess someone does, just as a President can not refuse to leave office if his term is up or he is impeached), there are so many people involved who would have hid the truth that we would have civil war and that's not including the racial component.
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Post by ameiko on Apr 29, 2011 0:01:06 GMT -5
I don't know enough about Adobe to have an opinion on the authenticity, but I seriously doubt the Obama administration would submit a fake that could be so easily uncovered. I agree, they were smart enough to get the majority of 320 million people to vote for him. I think they are smart enough to pull off a fake or real copy of the COB. Personally I care more about one's ability, intelligence and accomplishments. The Constitution trumps all of that. That someone thinks otherwise is scary. Either he is a natural born citizen and thus can be president or he is not and therefore must be removed immediately and all who helped in this cover up prosecuted. Our democracy and nation deserves no less. BTW, what ability does Obama have beyond screwing up the economy and our foreign policy? What accomplishments does he have besides reading a prompter and not being Bush? If he is so intelligence why does he make mistake after mistake and say such outrageous things like criticizing the Supreme Court for not doing enough to lower the difference between the gap between the wealthy and poor even though they have neither authority nor purpose to do by according to the Constitution? Oh and Barry is a Constitutional professor!!!! Dude is an overspending (tripled Bush's WORST deficit in one year) fool who treats our allies (Egypt, Eastern Europe) worse than people who are actually doing what we want (Lybia gave up WMD's, terrorism, and kept the oil flowing) or our enemies like Iran. Obamacare is a boondoggle that will increase rates across the board and encourage employers to drop coverage and just pay fines. His anti-business rhetoric scared companies into hording cash for two years and moving many operations overseas) AND he would have let the Bush Tax cuts expire for all had the GOP not stood up to him (remember, he had two years of large majorities in both House and Senate to extend the cuts for all but the top 2%- hey I thought only the rich got a tax cut under Bush, oh well- yet he did not. It would have been simple to do yet he did not since he did not want to!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 0:08:25 GMT -5
I've had people challenge me with snopes so many times, Marsha.. the more I think about this... this is a big deal. Where do you get this stuff? ?? Someone needs to show Trump!!
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Post by Angel! on Apr 29, 2011 11:18:53 GMT -5
People have been asking me to weigh in on the veracity of the newly released white house COLB because they know that in “real life” I’m a graphic designer. I can emphatically tell you that this document is not merely a scan of a document that has been uploaded to the internet. This is a document that has been either put together or taken apart prior to the upload, and even Charles Johnson would have to admit that. After downloading the document that Whitehouse.gov made available to the public I opened the file in illustrator and the file is indeed in layers, which cannot happen unless the document was edited. iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=73096 It can happen if they use OCR on the document. In fact, that is the only explanation that makes sense, because OCR isn't 100% accurate & will miss some text & catch other text that isn't actually text. It would separate that into layers. Otherwise you are left to assume that the person who put this together for some reason actually divided up random portions of the text to appear on other layers, which not only makes no sense, it would be very difficult & time consuming. Take a look at the things that appeared on the 2nd layer - the 1 at the end of the file number, the M in the PM under the hour, several random letters on line 6c. But, then those are all lined up exactly where they should be when combined with the other layer. This would be like writing 90% of a letter on one page (while skipping random letters & parts) & then writing the remaining portion of the letter on a second sheet & then overlaying them to find they line up exactly. Doing this would not only be incredibly difficult, but a waste of time when you can just put everything on the same layer & not have to worry about lining the text up with a second layer. And you call yourself a graphic designer. Pfft. You obviously don't scan stuff to pdfs often or use OCR to create text. BTW - the original blogger now has posted that the document is likely real & posted his explaination for the layers.
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Post by Shirina on Apr 29, 2011 11:42:41 GMT -5
Any ONE of them? Sure. But all of them working together to cover something up? No.
The government has never been very adept at keeping secrets. In fact, the conservatives are always lamenting about how incompetent the government is, which is why they try so hard to keep health care out of its hands.
Yet, when it comes to a ridiculous conspiracy that they WANT to believe, then suddenly the government is not just competent, it is hyper-competent, and all of the governmental agencies from the CIA on down to the Hawaiian records office are all in on it and keeping the secret - as if every single person in the government loves Obama.
So what is suspicious about this, Krickitt?
Obama was born in 1961, which means even if the doctor who delivered Obama was himself an infant born in 1961, he would be 50 years old today.
Of course, that's hardly realistic. So, add another 18 years onto that for basic schooling and now your doctor is going to be 68. Add a minimum of 6 years for his medical degree and the doctor would now be 74. Now maybe, just maybe, Obama was the first baby he ever delivered which puts the doctor's absolute minimum possible age at 74, but that is unlikely as well. Thus unless the doctor was fresh out of residency at the time of Obama's birth, he would likely be substantially older, perhaps 80 or 90 - and not all that many people live to be so old.
Thus I fail to see why it would be oh so conspiratorial that the MD who delivered Obama would be dead by now. In fact, any adult involved with Obama's early life is likely to be deceased.
LOL! The irony here is that 1st generation immigrants are often more loyal to America than Americans who have lived here for centuries. Immigrants often know the true meaning of tyranny, not fat Americans whose idea of "tyranny" is a tax increase.
You might want to sit down for this one because what I'm about to say is so infinitely complicated and difficult to figure out that standing upright may not be possible while trying to wrap your brain around it.
Are you ready? Here goes ...
Isn't it possible that more than one doctor was in the room when Obama was born? I know, that's an extraordinarily difficult idea to even consider, and it's quite possible that the space-time continuum wouldn't allow two doctors to be together in the same room, but can we at least consider the idea?
But wait, it gets even more complicated. Notice how the signature space is labeled: "Signature of Attendant." It doesn't require that the actual obstretrician who pulled him out of the womb be the signatory. All this signature does is verify that, yes, a doctor can verify that such-and-such a baby was born alive on such-and-such a date. How many medical qualifications does it require to make that verification? Anyone on this board could do that.
So yes, I'm sure this might make the Birthers a bit dizzy, like when contemplating what lies on the other side of the edge of the universe, but we're all smart folks. I think we can handle it.
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Post by pepper112765 on Apr 29, 2011 11:42:52 GMT -5
What difference does it make if it's real or not? How do we get beyond the Constitutional requirement that his daddy be an American citizen? Was that requirement ever Constitutionally lifted. If so, how and when? But it is a start. But it is ONLY a start. And my money is on Trump and May 22nd. Unless Obama starts making other disclosures in the meantime , , , non of whiich will be complimentary. Because there is no such requirement -- only that he be a natural born citizen. I think we've been over this before. And for natural born citizens ... please look below: Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:" Anyone born inside the United States * Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. Get over it.
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Post by floridayankee on Apr 29, 2011 12:38:26 GMT -5
Maybe we can get trump to organize a seance so we can ask the good Dr personally.......
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 29, 2011 13:44:10 GMT -5
Isn't it possible that more than one doctor was in the room when Obama was born? I know, that's an extraordinarily difficult idea to even consider, and it's quite possible that the space-time continuum wouldn't allow two doctors to be together in the same room, but can we at least consider the idea?I had at least TWENTY different doctors in the room with me when I gave birth (this what you get when you check the little box that says students can attend your birth). A resident/student actually delivered DD but she is not the name on the birth certificate. The OB that attended the birth is the name on the birth certificate. He came by my room to see how I was doing and I honestly couldn't remember who he was, that is how many people were in that room with me. Darn it, I blew my cover! Oh well some random person who claims to have been there the day of her birth (how can I prove they weren't? I didn't get the name of all 20 people) will come forth several decades from now to reveal the truth anyhow. Might as well come clean now before she runs for president.
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Post by Angel! on Apr 29, 2011 13:54:22 GMT -5
I had at least TWENTY different doctors in the room with me when I gave birth (this what you get when you check the little box that says students can attend your birth). You are lucky. I barely had one doctor, the nurses were scrambling to get someone in the room with me in time. I actually had a contraction where a nurse was holding my legs together & telling me over & over again "don't push" because they didn't have a doc in the room yet & nothing was set up for the delivery. I would have taken 20 doctors & a room prepped for delivery any day.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 29, 2011 13:59:04 GMT -5
Meh, I would debate lucky. Only one delivered and the attending was in and out. The rest were just there to watch because I happened to be the only woman giving birth during that rotation weekend AND I was also giving birth during a shift change. Side benefit was at least my OB who handled my pre-natal care got to see DD after she was born. She was on surgery rotation so she couldn't be there to actually deliver. I didn't even know she was there till DH told me about it later. Glad I didn't have to remember names.
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Post by marshabar1 on Apr 29, 2011 14:02:19 GMT -5
One of my sons was delivered at a university hospital and there were students in attendance. But only one doctor. I've never heard of more than one attending physician unless there are very serious complications. Doctors cost money. The hospital Obama was born in is not a university hospital. But hey maybe whoever paid for his birth didn't mind paying for two doctors instead of one. Maybe there were hundreds? When it comes to Barack Obama we're always being asked to suspend out disbelief and just go with the show. We're also asked to stretch the limits of credibility.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 29, 2011 14:17:40 GMT -5
I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone," said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here's the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: "So, tell me something interesting that happened this week," she recalls. So she WASN"T EVEN PRESENT at his birth?! Amazing how she is able to recall the chain of events and who was present at a time when she wasn't even there to bear witness. Also amazing she does this when she knows she can cash in on 15 minutes of fame and those who could refute her story are no longer able to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 14:23:36 GMT -5
Yet snopes uses her story to affirm the birth in America thing........... snopes
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Apr 29, 2011 14:24:45 GMT -5
The whole thing is just plain stupid, don't we have more important things to be focusing on. .. like the Royal Wedding?
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Post by floridayankee on Apr 29, 2011 14:41:23 GMT -5
You are lucky. I barely had one doctor, the nurses were scrambling to get someone in the room with me in time. I actually had a contraction where a nurse was holding my legs together & telling me over & over again "don't push" because they didn't have a doc in the room yet & nothing was set up for the delivery.
I would have taken 20 doctors & a room prepped for delivery any day. ...or at least the catcher for the local ML baseball team.
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