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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 15:35:41 GMT -5
latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/04/28/obama-meets-latino-leaders-immigration/Obama to Meet with Latino Celebrities on Immigration By Elizabeth Llorente Published April 28, 2011 | Fox News Latino President Obama is meeting at the White House today with Latino celebrities to stress his commitment to immigration reform. The meeting is taking place amid mounting frustration among many Latinos – long a crucial voting bloc for Democrats – over what they see as Obama’s hollow promises to reform immigration polic (Interesting that even Fox mentions Gutierrez, but not what he said. Rely on Beck's Blaze to get the scoops.)
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Post by straydog on Apr 28, 2011 17:19:52 GMT -5
I think that Gutierrez is preparing for a primary run against Obama. After all Buchanan did it to Bush in '92. He could have pushed Amnesty when he had both houses but instead went for Hillary's main issue - a health care takeover, just in case she decided to take him on in '12.
Obama kind of did us a favor by pushing a health care takeover instead of amnesty when he had the chance. A health care takeover can be repealed. A mass amnesty - along with full voting rights, would have ended the game completely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 17:27:01 GMT -5
Wow, I never thought of that.... if he could get enough fake IDs to illegals, that's a huge vote for him. Good. He won't win, and it would take the illegal and illegal coddler votes off the table. Then maybe after Obama has to beats him up in the primaries maybe the illegal gangs will be so angry they will just stay home-- as they should! Gutierrez 2012.
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Post by straydog on Apr 28, 2011 17:39:14 GMT -5
Wow, I never thought of that.... if he could get enough fake IDs to illegals, that's a huge vote for him. Good. He won't win, and it would take the illegal and illegal coddler votes off the table. Then maybe after Obama has to beats him up in the primaries maybe the illegal gangs will be so angry they will just stay home-- as they should! Gutierrez 2012. Agreed, and if it does happen, then it should be a pretty good show.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Apr 28, 2011 23:48:48 GMT -5
Tennesseer said: "Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People." So it's back to the it's okay for us to do wrong because you did wrong first. Wonderful circular argument. 1986 3 million granted amnesty, in 2011 scant 25 years later we have had somewhere between a 4 or 5 fold increase in Illegal Immigrants, if amnesty is pushed through what kind of Illegal increase will we be looking at? Telling people it's okay come here how ever you want, stay long enough and we will make it so you don't need nor have to obey the rules. Yes illegal immigration has increased 4 or 5 fold and we can thank Reagan(and that congress) for this. Had he not given amnesty to millions of illegals, future illegals would not have gotten the message that they can come here illegally, wait 20 some years and then be granted amnesty. The fact is, both parties are traitors to America on this issue. Both parties want the illegal here. Both parties have betrayed American citizens and legal residents.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Apr 28, 2011 23:51:24 GMT -5
By the way, Luis Gutierrez is a true Benedict Arnold. He is Anti-American and he should be booted out of office. He does not represents Americans. His allegiance is with the illegals. He needs to go.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2011 23:58:30 GMT -5
Agreed, Sweet. Both parties have idiots, and that guy sure is one.
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Post by ameiko on Apr 29, 2011 0:11:08 GMT -5
....because it isn't......it's an attack on idiots like this that want Obama to step around We The People........... Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People." Why this an executive Order or did he sign a law into power? Big difference. That said, he did sign it (even Ronnie was not perfect) and we have FAR FAR FAR more illegal immigrants now. Time to implement my policy: land minds and snipers at the border. Any illegal found in the US is documented and tagged. If he or she invades again, it is immediate execution. Harsh? They are INVADERS! That is how you handle them.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Apr 29, 2011 0:17:13 GMT -5
Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People." Why this an executive Order or did he sign a law into power? Big difference. That said, he did sign it (even Ronnie was not perfect) and we have FAR FAR FAR more illegal immigrants now. Time to implement my policy: land minds and snipers at the border. Any illegal found in the US is documented and tagged. If he or she invades again, it is immediate execution. Harsh? They are INVADERS! That is how you handle them. Of course Reagan was not perfect, far from it. And this mistake of his cost America HUGE TIME! Now as for your policy, it is insane and inhumane. We do not have to become barbaric to get a handle on this problem. Deport illegals when possible (i.e at pro illegal immigrant rallies, when caught committing crimes, etc.) Most importantly, punish employers who knowingly hire illegals, cut off any tax funded subsidies to illegals and their children. Illegals will stop coming and they will self deport. That is how to handle this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 0:22:37 GMT -5
Too bad we all know they will never get cut off aid. No one has the guts. Well, AZ tries, but Feds smash us. If Feds refuse to let states deal with their issues, and Feds refuse to deal with them, we are doomed.
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Post by SweetVirginia on Apr 29, 2011 0:29:26 GMT -5
Too bad we all know they will never get cut off aid. No one has the guts. Well, AZ tries, but Feds smash us. If Feds refuse to let states deal with their issues, and Feds refuse to deal with them, we are doomed. In CA , we are already doomed krickitt. things are so bad here. I know it is hard for non border state people to comprehend, but the situation is really bad. As I know it is bad in Tucson too. I fear that this is simply a glimpse of what the rest of the country will become.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 0:32:32 GMT -5
Sweet- did you read the 3rd war thread-- by kreepy?
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Post by SweetVirginia on Apr 29, 2011 0:38:41 GMT -5
Sweet- did you read the 3rd war thread-- by kreepy? I dont think I saw it. I will look for it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2011 0:42:43 GMT -5
It's scary.
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 29, 2011 1:23:30 GMT -5
"Well someone who's here illegally should be arrested & deported with just the clothes on his back. If they have a child that's born here (while they were here illegally) that child should be able (as an adult) to return, but not the parent. Just my thoughts."
I agree Oldtex, I'd even go a step farther and tell them (truthfully) that if they come back they'll be labled a spy and immediately executed.
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Post by ameiko on May 1, 2011 22:32:30 GMT -5
The Latino vote is hardly radical. If the pubs paid ANY attention to their needs, maybe spoke a few words of Spanish, they could easily vote Pub. All their family values and abortion BS, gay bashing would appeal to many latinos. The "Dems want their votes" is a canard, Dems just want a modern country and good jobs for EVERYONE. But believe the fearmongering and hate speech, dittoheads. Bush spoke spanish alot. Why should that make any difference? Whether he, Obama, or someone else did it, it always sounds pandering. BTW, the GOP addresses the needs of ALL racial groups: low taxes to promote propserity for all, a small government that doesn't tell you what to do, and a strong military to protect us. Are you telling us the racist statement that Latinos think themselves so stupid that they want a big daddy government to take care of them and control them? WOW!!! As for hatemongering, listen to the thug in chief- he is a major racist who uses the race card shamelessly. Fortunately the white voters who put him in office because they thought they were going to get a post racial nation have woken up and will actualy vote for a candidate, not skin color this time.
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Post by ameiko on May 1, 2011 22:36:26 GMT -5
Why this an executive Order or did he sign a law into power? Big difference. That said, he did sign it (even Ronnie was not perfect) and we have FAR FAR FAR more illegal immigrants now. Time to implement my policy: land minds and snipers at the border. Any illegal found in the US is documented and tagged. If he or she invades again, it is immediate execution. Harsh? They are INVADERS! That is how you handle them. Of course Reagan was not perfect, far from it. And this mistake of his cost America HUGE TIME! Now as for your policy, it is insane and inhumane. We do not have to become barbaric to get a handle on this problem. Deport illegals when possible (i.e at pro illegal immigrant rallies, when caught committing crimes, etc.) Most importantly, punish employers who knowingly hire illegals, cut off any tax funded subsidies to illegals and their children. Illegals will stop coming and they will self deport. That is how to handle this. Why are my policies insane, inhuman, or barbaric? We are protecting OUR border from INVADERS! We are at WAR and war is not nice and often is barbaric because you are dealing with barbarians! We can make the mined fields and free fire zones but anyone stupid enough to enter them have agreed to their own deaths. It is the same for those who we kick out of the nation and then execute if they come back: we told them what would happen and if they come back they have agreed to their own death.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 2, 2011 0:03:19 GMT -5
"Well someone who's here illegally should be arrested & deported with just the clothes on his back. If they have a child that's born here (while they were here illegally) that child should be able (as an adult) to return, but not the parent.
We need a huge ship. An old oil Tanker will do. Fill the interior with cages. When you catch an illegal invader,stuff him or her in the ship. Feed them gruel and water. When the ship is full, take it to the southern end of Mexico. Land all the people on the ship on shore as we did in Normandy. Repeat as often as necessary.
If the ship sinks on the way, rescue the crew and get a new ship. The border problem will solve itself.
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Post by Shirina on May 2, 2011 5:41:11 GMT -5
Why don't we just nuke every city in Mexico and Central America that has a population over 100,000? We can test our biological and chemical weapons on the smaller towns and villages. Then we send in an army of guys in HAZMAT suits to lynch any stragglers we find. Once we've wiped out the population, we can then use Mexico as a storage site for our spent nuclear fuel rods, discarded water bottles, and obsolete cell phones. Then we can put land mines and the entire US military on the border between Panama and Colombia just in case anyone from South America gets uppity.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2011 7:57:13 GMT -5
Is it safe to assume you are boycotting my state??
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Post by bean29 on May 2, 2011 14:45:32 GMT -5
Nice to have a study on how or possible how not , those who were granted amnesty and their children have fared as citizens..it's been long enough that such a study would be a true idea of how they were worked into the system, contributed, or did not contribute. I am trying to put up a reasonable suggestion here. Truth is , the one who says picke em up and deport wih shirts on back, 20 million, right, will start tomorrow. Actually my idea of a study of those who were granted Amnesty would help answer some questions as to how to deal with the problem. To think we are going to go back to what it was , just is not going to happen, the demographics of the country has changed, will remain changed no matter how much some want it back to what was, just NOT going to happen. I know quite a few people who were granted amnesty in 1986. Not sure the sum total b/c asking casual acquaintances their immigration status and how they came to be legal residents seems rude when you have no valid reason for the inquiry. College acquaintances are very successful. Some people keep harping on welfare but those that I know are probably as upwardly mobile as any I grew up with if not more so. I have wondered a few times if those who were granted amnesty in 1986 should not step up and say I was granted amnesty. It certainly would be evidence in many cases that it is not a bad policy. No matter how successful someone is though, I imagine someone will claim that they could not be successful b/c someone who was granted amnesty was given an opportunity that should have been reserved for a US resident, never acknowledging that they just don't have the same drive and work ethic of an immigrant. There are studies that show that 1st generation immigrants tend to be very successful, but when you get down to 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants that success is muted to "average". The reality is that the person that is willing to leave their country for a strange land is a natural risk taker and probably does not expect every thing in life to be easy.
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Post by pappyjohn99 on May 3, 2011 2:34:44 GMT -5
Shirina- Post # 48 details acts of aggression against Mexico. I have not advocated any such policy even though I believe Mexico is engaging in aggressive acts against us. My suggestion of a reaction plan is harsh, but it needs to be. People that come here balance the risks verses the rewards. We need to make the risk so heavy it will outweigh the reward. And that threat must be present every second they remain here in violation of our law. They must be rudely expelled, along with their children. Their property must be confiscated to compensate us for the expense of their removal. And it probably wouldn't hurt to shoot a chip in their ass that states that they have been caught once. If they are foolish enough to come back and are caught a second time it should rate 10 years hard labor with no parole.
As I say, that would end the border problem with no expensive fence necessary. Google " Operation Wetback".
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