Executive order amnesty?

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Well, look what the Dems in Ill. are demanding-
www.theblaze.com/stories/nevermind-representational-government-emotional-congressman-demands-obama-uses-executive-power-or-latinos-wont-vote-for-him-urges-use-of-homeland-security-memo-as-cover-to-decree-immigration-reform/

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NEVERMIND REPRESENTATIONAL GOVERNMENT…EMOTIONAL CONGRESSMAN DEMANDS OBAMA USE EXECUTIVE POWER OR LATINOS WON’T VOTE FOR HIM; URGES USE OF HOMELAND SECURITY MEMO AS COVER TO DECREE IMMIGRATION REFORM

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[Politically_Incorrect12]

It is interesting how many people see wanting to deal with illegal immigration as an attack against anybody with a Latino background.

[BeenThere...DoneThat...]

Apr 27, 2011 8:02:00 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

It is interesting how many people see wanting to deal with illegal immigration as an attack against anybody with a Latino background.

...agreed...

[Deleted]

....because it isn't......it's an attack on idiots like this that want Obama to step around We The People...........

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Maybe I look at it strange but: If someone does something illegal they shouldn't be able to benefit from it. Like if I kill my parents, I shouldn't be able to then to get money from the estate.
Well someone who's here illegally should be arrested & deported with just the clothes on his back. If they have a child that's born here (while they were here illegally) that child should be able (as an adult) to return, but not the parent. Just my thoughts.

[Tennesseer]

The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99-603, 100 Stat. 3359, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law.

In brief the act:[1]

required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status.
made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants.
granted amnesty to certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants.
granted amnesty to illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously.

The act was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. An estimated 3 million unauthorized immigrants received amnesty under the act

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

[Tennesseer]

Apr 27, 2011 11:01:35 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

....because it isn't......it's an attack on idiots like this that want Obama to step around We The People...........

Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People."

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That was then, this is now. And, oh yeah, Bush is gone, too.

[cme1201]

Tennesseer said: "Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People."

So it's back to the it's okay for us to do wrong because you did wrong first. Wonderful circular argument.

1986 3 million granted amnesty, in 2011 scant 25 years later we have had somewhere between a 4 or 5 fold increase in Illegal Immigrants, if amnesty is pushed through what kind of Illegal increase will we be looking at? Telling people it's okay come here how ever you want, stay long enough and we will make it so you don't need nor have to obey the rules.

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www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=D39738AA7F57D213
Description: The North American Union is the integration of the United States, Canada and Mexico initially. The integration of our economies, harmonization of laws, open borders and national treatment de facto means the disintegration of these countries as sovereign nations. Ultimately it will include all of the countries of North and South America into one big non-descript region. The concept of it is exactly the same as the European Union. In Europe it began as the Common Market. Using the ploy of 'free trade' and the promise of increased prosperity, the people of Europe were persuaded to give up economic sovereignty to a higher level authority called the European Union. Precisely the same thing is being done to the United States except that our spineless politicians and mainstream media are too cowardly to broach the subject in a straightforward manner. Obviously the integration of the United States into a larger regional governance structure is treason. It subverts the U.S. Constitution and it places the American people under the authority of an unelected, undemocratic governing structure that is hidden from the view of the people. Illegal immigration refers to immigration across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country. Under this definition, an illegal immigrant is a foreigner who either illegally crossed an international political border, be it by land, sea or air, or a foreigner who legally entered a country but nevertheless overstay their visa in order to live and/or work therein.

[reasonfreedom]

"EMOTIONAL CONGRESSMAN DEMANDS OBAMA USE EXECUTIVE POWER OR LATINOS WON’T VOTE FOR HIM", I can't watch the video at this time but if the congressman did actually state that then he is a complete ignorant idiot. If Obama does it for this reason he is also a ignorant idiot. 10 to 13% of the voting Americans could easily make your vote less valuable. See your vote doesn't really count if others can be bought.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 27, 2011 12:18:35 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

Tennesseer said: "Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People."

So it's back to the it's okay for us to do wrong because you did wrong first. Wonderful circular argument.

1986 3 million granted amnesty, in 2011 scant 25 years later we have had somewhere between a 4 or 5 fold increase in Illegal Immigrants, if amnesty is pushed through what kind of Illegal increase will we be looking at? Telling people it's okay come here how ever you want, stay long enough and we will make it so you don't need nor have to obey the rules.

LOL. Not saying it is right. Just saying a former president ordered amnesty. It is not our current president calling for amnesty but a congressman.

[floridayankee]

Apr 27, 2011 12:09:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 27, 2011 11:01:35 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

....because it isn't......it's an attack on idiots like this that want Obama to step around We The People...........

Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People."

"YOU DID IT FIRST......"

When is this piss poor reply going to go away?

Do you not see the difference between a congressional act and an executive order? Just because Reagan did it gives Obama the right to do it? Do you automatically assume that everybody right of center agrees with everything a republican does? Being a democrat, do you automatically agree with everything the democrats do?

Amnesty worked so damned well the last time. We gained millions more just waiting for their turn. Only a true sheeple would seem to think it will be any different this time.

[deziloooooo]

Nice to have a study on how or possible how not , those who were granted amnesty and their children have fared as citizens..it's been long enough that such a study would be a true idea of how they were worked into the system, contributed, or did not contribute.
I am trying to put up a reasonable suggestion here.

Truth is , the one who says picke em up and deport wih shirts on back, 20 million, right, will start tomorrow.

Actually my idea of a study of those who were granted Amnesty would help answer some questions as to how to deal with the problem. To think we are going to go back to what it was , just is not going to happen, the demographics of the country has changed, will remain changed no matter how much some want it back to what was, just NOT going to happen.

[cme1201]

Apr 27, 2011 13:03:09 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 27, 2011 12:18:35 GMT -5 cme1201 said:

Tennesseer said: "Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People."

So it's back to the it's okay for us to do wrong because you did wrong first. Wonderful circular argument.

1986 3 million granted amnesty, in 2011 scant 25 years later we have had somewhere between a 4 or 5 fold increase in Illegal Immigrants, if amnesty is pushed through what kind of Illegal increase will we be looking at? Telling people it's okay come here how ever you want, stay long enough and we will make it so you don't need nor have to obey the rules.

LOL. Not saying it is right. Just saying a former president ordered amnesty. It is not our current president calling for amnesty but a congressman.

really because I believe that he has championed an amnesty call:
President Obama calls for immigration reform, including path to legalization for illegal immigrants
latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/07/president-obama-calls-for-path-to-legalization-for-estimated-11-million-illegal-immigrants.html

Immigration Reform Leaders Attack Obama’s Call for Amnesty, Support Immigration Moratorium
www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/02/immigration_ref_5.php

Obama's Last-Ditch Push for Immigration Amnesty
www.newsweek.com/blogs/kausfiles/2010/11/17/obama-s-last-ditch-push-for-immigration-amnesty.html

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That's a good idea, Dez. You should send it to Washington, pubs probably your best bet for response, since it is a Dem POTUS this time and he may not want to know if it turns out bad.

This kind of Latino move, if it goes nationwide, could be a HUGE problem for Obama in 2012, which is why he really wants to get this amnesty thing done. Nothing he does to make it happen would surprise me at this point.

[deziloooooo]

Apr 27, 2011 14:19:51 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

That's a good idea, Dez. You should send it to Washington, pubs probably your best bet for response, since it is a Dem POTUS this time and he may not want to know if it turns out bad.

This kind of Latino move, if it goes nationwide, could be a HUGE problem for Obama in 2012, which is why he really wants to get this amnesty thing done. Nothing he does to make it happen would surprise me at this point.

I see no way this issue being even seriously considered till after 2012, IMHO, not enough time, no real incentive by either party, other things on their mind , my feelings on.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Yup, will have to wait till 2012, after Obama victory and firm recovery, perhaps in lame duck session, when lame duck Pub lawmakers do the right thing, in this case pass the Schumer/Graham bill. Pubs after1986 refused to pass a good Work ID card.

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Can Obama win without the radical Latino vote? Wonder how many of them there are? Of course, many Latinos do NOT think like this, but I think most are still Dems. I like Marco Rubio a lot. He is not of Mexican descent, but he is brown. Wonder if they would be stupid enough to vote for Pub Rubio just because he is brown, like some people voted for Obama because he is HALF black........
wonder if lots of blacks would vote for Pub West if they are mad at Obama just because West is black... blacker than Obama, actually.

[hello fromWarsaw]

The Latino vote is hardly radical. If the pubs paid ANY attention to their needs, maybe spoke a few words of Spanish, they could easily vote Pub. All their family values and abortion BS, gay bashing would appeal to many latinos. The "Dems want their votes" is a canard, Dems just want a modern country and good jobs for EVERYONE. But believe the fearmongering and hate speech, dittoheads.

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I said the RADICAL Latino vote. Big difference. Anyone that knows me at all knows I have great respect for the Hispanics I know, their culture, family values, everything. It's just radical anything that I object to.

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Good grief, War. You don't know any "Pubs", do you?

[reasonfreedom]

Apr 27, 2011 15:28:55 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

Good grief, War. You don't know any "Pubs", do you?

He rarely makes sense in his post, I ignore 90% of them because my eyes start bleeding after the first few words. It normally goes something like blah blah pubs blah blah insult blah pubs blah blah insult insult blah blah insult pubs. You might get a clearer understanding with the Charlie Brown's teacher.

If they brought home all of the troops and put them at the border for our safety from the drug wars and for prevention of illegal immigrants, I would be more than happy to consider a reasonable form of amnesty for the illegals already here.

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I agree on the troops, not certain about the amnesty.. not sure they should not go back to the end of the legal waiting line, especially if they are not contributing to our society, but just taking from it. MEXICO does not allow immigrants that cannot pay their own way. Maybe we need to check out who we allow to stay before just giving blanket amnesty to everyone here. But, either way-- troops LINING the border sounds good to me.

[reasonfreedom]

Apr 27, 2011 16:00:45 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

I agree on the troops, not certain about the amnesty.. not sure they should not go back to the end of the legal waiting line, especially if they are not contributing to our society, but just taking from it. MEXICO does not allow immigrants that cannot pay their own way. Maybe we need to check out who we allow to stay before just giving blanket amnesty to everyone here. But, either way-- troops LINING the border sounds good to me.

Yeah, that is why I said reasonable amnesty. Something like them becoming official citizens which makes them have to pay taxes now for the most part and some sort of back tax involved for an estimated time they spent here not paying taxes. They can't expect just to have amnesty for free, that is a ridiculous notion. That is like telling a thief(that was just caught) " We caught with all of the stolen goods, but you know we will just let you off this once and you can keep all of the goods.

[fairlycrazy23]

Apr 27, 2011 12:09:39 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 27, 2011 11:01:35 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

....because it isn't......it's an attack on idiots like this that want Obama to step around We The People...........

Ronald Reagan had no problem stepping around and on "We The People."

Nobodies perfect, we should learn from that mistake.

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Agreed, both of you.

[Mad Dawg Wiccan]

Krickitt, you're now a karma grizzly!

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a grizzly? Like a Mama Grizzly??? KEWL!!!!! Who is doing this to me?? Thx, you guys!!