Achieving ceasefire toward legitimate gov

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What was a uprising , similar to the ones taking place in the Arab Country's around the Mediterranean is shaping up to be a battle not just between a Dictator and the populace who want a change, but a battle between the West and East..

Gaddafi is being supplied by forces from Eastern Europe, as well as Arms, intelligence from China and Russia too, where as the Western powers seem to be favoring the Rebels.

China is involved as it is suggested that they are poised to spend Billions to make Lybia their gas station of the middle east, Eastern European so called volunteers, it's payback for the Balkans of 12 years ago, and Russia, n o clue but also involved here.
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West-backed Libyan rebels face Qaddafi who is aided by China, East Europe

DEBKAfile Exclusive Report April 21, 2011, 12:11 PM (GMT+02:00)

" NATO bomb Chinese arms sent to QaddafiBoth of Libya's fighting camps are taking delivery of a surging influx of weapons shipments and military personnel – each hoping to use the extra aid for breaking the military standoff in its own favor, debkafile's military sources report. The British, French and Italian military officers bound for rebel headquarters in Benghazi are part of a package that includes arms and military equipment from the US, Britain, France, Italy and Qatar.

On the other side of the Libyan divide, China, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Serbia are keeping the pro-Qaddafi camp's arsenals stocked with new hardware along with combat personnel from Eastern Europe and the former Yugoslavia.
Building up in Libya is a confrontation that recalls the 1999 war in Yugoslavia (Serbia today) when NATO's four-month Operation Noble Anvil hammered Yugoslav forces to force their retreat from Kosovo. The Serbs were backed then by clandestine Chinese-Russian support in tactical advice, intelligence, fighting men and arms."

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Libya's oil minister defects, crosses border to Tunisia a few days ago, representatives of Gaddafi's regime are in Moscow as Russia is trying to act as a mediate in this uprising.

Russia is involved with Lybia financially in a big way, arms sales, investments, their oil industry, telling Gaddafi's to pull out of cities, stop the attacks on the citizens, negotiates with insurgents, also asking coalition forces to stop the attacks against Gaddafi forces.

Supposedly they say they have not heard the word , NO, from Gaddafi's side, but whether they, Gaddafi is really interested in negotiations and cessation of fighting, has claimed they were in past but still attacked with his forces , who knows.

Gaddafi forces seem to have sealed off the border with Tunisia, where insurgents have been getting humanitarian supplies and possible munitions too, though seem there are plenty of those in country.
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Libyan oil minister Shokri Ghanem 'defects'

Sources say minister is on his way to Tunisian capital as NATO warplanes continue to hit targets in Tripoli.

Last Modified: 17 May 2011 14:32

The defection of Shokri Ghanem would be a huge loss to Gaddafi's government [Reuters]

Libya's oil minister has reportedly defected and fled to Tunisia.

Shokri Ghanem, who also chaired the National Oil Corporation, is said to be on his way to the Tunisian capital, Tunis.

Hoda Abdel Hamid, one of Al Jazeera's correspondents in Libya, said a border guard confirmed the defection.

"He told us the minister had crossed into Tunisia two days ago and that he was alone, not with his family," she said.

"He mentioned he had tried to cross before but was held in Libya. We cannot confirm this."

Rebels fighting to end the 41-year-old rule of Muammar Gaddafi, Libya's embattled leader, also said they had information that Ghanem, 68, had defected.

However, rebels and Arab media reported on a previous occasion that Ghanem had stepped down, but he later re-appeared and said he was in his office and working as usual.

If confirmed, Ghanem would be the latest high profile Libyan official to leave the Gaddafi government. In March, Gaddafi's foreign minister, Moussa Koussa, defected.

Ghanem has been in charge of the oil ministry since 2006 and was previously prime minister. His oil ministry is the biggest income generater for the country. Libya has Africa's largest oil reserves, at 41.5 billion barrels.

Rebels have taken Benghazi and the oil-producing east of the North African country, their insurgency helped by a NATO bombing campaign sanctioned by the United Nations to protect civilians.

Russia talks

Meanwhile, Russia hosted a representative of Gaddafi's government in its capital, Moscow, on Tuesday when it called on the Libyan government to stop using force against civilians, comply fully with UN Security Council resolutions and withdraw armed groups from cities.

"The answer we heard cannot be called negative," Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, said."

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This article, from of all places , the largest , most popular English printed Lebanese newspaper, on line, explains the Lybian situation as well as any I have seen and actually ties into the article preceding it, above, the end of it, of Gaddafi's forces in Moscow, as Russia tries to help in finding a solution. Why?

While separately written, the two articles, are together on one point, very important, that to solve this problem, insurgency in Lybia, which does not seem to be solvable in the short run by force, both sides seem to be stalemated, a trusted third partner is needed and possible Russia is that third partner.

Trusted by Gaddafi's side and from the Insurgents side, understanding that they , Russia has a stake in this dispute too, self interests as they are involved in Lybia in a big way, and realistically knowing that in the short turn, they , insurgents, are not strong enough to remove Gaddafi by force, possible a meeting of the minds, sponsored by the Russians is the way to go.

Hopefully, the coalition, and US, realizing this event is getting costly, also untenable, will welcome the help from the Russians as inter locker, so they two parties can work it out and end the fighting.

Gaddafis form of government will end, he will not be tried as a war criminal, or have to leave, but power will be transferred, and Lybia will have to start a new phase in their modern history, their own form of government, allowing their people to move forward and have their asoirations answered , in their own way.

The article really explains the particulars of Lybia for those who are trying to figure out what is really going on here, it is not just another country taking part in the "Arab Spring ", more complicated then that.
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Libya: Achieving a ceasefire toward legitimate government

BRUSSELS:

The longer Libya’s military conflict persists, the more it risks jeopardizing or undermining the anti-Gadhafi camp’s avowed objectives, according to a media release Friday by the International Crisis Group.

Civilians are figuring in large numbers as victims, both as casualties and refugees. The country is de facto being partitioned, as divisions between the predominantly opposition-held east and the predominantly regime-controlled west harden into distinct political, social and economic worlds.

As a result, it is virtually impossible for the pro-democracy current of urban public opinion in most of western Libya [and Tripoli in particular] to express itself and weigh in the political balance.

The prolonged military campaign and attendant instability likewise present strategic threats to Libya’s neighbors. Besides fuelling a large-scale refugee crisis, they are raising the risk of infiltration by Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb.

Unlike events in neighboring Tunisia and Egypt, the confrontation that began in mid-February between the popular protest movement and Gadhafi’s regime morphed into a civil war from a very early stage. This owes a great deal to the country’s history and chiefly to the peculiar character of the political order Colonel Gadhafi and his associates set up in the 1970s.

Whereas Egypt and Tunisia had been well-established states before Presidents Mubarak and Ben Ali came to power in 1981 and 1987 respectively, such that in both cases the state had an existence independent of their personal rule and could survive their departure, the opposite has been true of Libya. As a result, the conflict has taken on the character of a life-or-death struggle."



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