No room for poor people

[thyme4change]

Or single people

’We don't want to be average': Scottsdale's new mayor says she doesn't believe in concept of affordable housing

New mayor Lisa Borowsky said she wants new developments in Scottsdale to represent the city's "high-end reputation" and "upscale community."

PHOENIX — After defeating incumbent David Ortega, Lisa Borowsky has been elected to serve as the mayor of Scottsdale, the Valley's sixth-largest city.
In a sit-down interview with 12News, Borowsky said she has big ideas for new development in Scottsdale and wants new projects to fall in line with the "high-end reputation" the city has earned. That means fewer apartment complexes.

We don't want to be average, we don't want to be downtown Phoenix. We don't want to have a ton of high density in our community," Borowsky told 12News.

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When asked if she wanted to see more affordable housing in the area she said government should not meddle in the private industry and pricing.
"I do not believe in the government fixing the price for housing," Borowsky said. "I think that's a free-market issue and developers build what they build and they charge the prices to consumers and consumers participate."
She claimed Scottsdale does have affordable housing. If you have a spouse, that is.
"We do have affordable housing in Scottsdale. A strong volunteer on my team is a realtor and she would frequently pull up searches and someone earning a nurse's salary or teacher's salary, times two, could find a $300-400,000 property they could live in. And there wasn't just one or two, there were a couple of hundred or 400 in one case. So that's misleading, I believe."
Borowsky also talked about her day-one plans to reign in the budget by re-establishing the Citizen's Budget Commission.
"They were responsible for taking deep dives into departmental spending," Borowsky said.

The council was made up of seven community members appointed by the council and the then-mayor Jim Lane.
"They were instrumental in reducing our spending without residents feeling the pinch, if you would," Borowsky said. "We didn't have to cut services, we cut the budget by roughly 15 percent."

www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/scottsdales-new-mayor-says-she-doesnt-believe-concept-affordable-housing/75-8a8a7479-01a2-43f6-a002-7e5138822698

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So - government shouldn’t be involved in free market and developers should decide what to build? Does that mean they will open up zoning requirements so developers can decide what to build?

My sister is probably thrilled - she believes that all apartments are section 8 apartments and therefore shouldn’t be anywhere near her.

🙄

[Opti]

Who does she expect to work retail and other jobs paying below median wage?

[pulmonarymd]

Nobody wants affordable housing. Yet, when their kids become adults, all of the sudden they are unhappy when their kids can’t afford to live in their hometown. Not to mention where do the teachers, nurses, police and fire department workers who cities need live. They are good enough to work there, but god forbid they want to live there

[NastyWoman]

Nov 17, 2024 16:22:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nobody wants affordable housing. Yet, when their kids become adults, all of the sudden they are unhappy when their kids can’t afford to live in their hometown. Not to mention where do the teachers, nurses, police and fire department workers who cities need live. They are good enough to work there, but god forbid they want to live there

The solution is simple of course. If you don't want affordable housing, just start paying all these essential workers six figure salaries, no biggie 

[dondubble]

Nov 17, 2024 15:42:17 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Or single people

’We don't want to be average': Scottsdale's new mayor says she doesn't believe in concept of affordable housing

New mayor Lisa Borowsky said she wants new developments in Scottsdale to represent the city's "high-end reputation" and "upscale community."

PHOENIX — After defeating incumbent David Ortega, Lisa Borowsky has been elected to serve as the mayor of Scottsdale, the Valley's sixth-largest city.
In a sit-down interview with 12News, Borowsky said she has big ideas for new development in Scottsdale and wants new projects to fall in line with the "high-end reputation" the city has earned. That means fewer apartment complexes.

We don't want to be average, we don't want to be downtown Phoenix. We don't want to have a ton of high density in our community," Borowsky told 12News.

~~~~~~~

When asked if she wanted to see more affordable housing in the area she said government should not meddle in the private industry and pricing.
"I do not believe in the government fixing the price for housing," Borowsky said. "I think that's a free-market issue and developers build what they build and they charge the prices to consumers and consumers participate."
She claimed Scottsdale does have affordable housing. If you have a spouse, that is.
"We do have affordable housing in Scottsdale. A strong volunteer on my team is a realtor and she would frequently pull up searches and someone earning a nurse's salary or teacher's salary, times two, could find a $300-400,000 property they could live in. And there wasn't just one or two, there were a couple of hundred or 400 in one case. So that's misleading, I believe."
Borowsky also talked about her day-one plans to reign in the budget by re-establishing the Citizen's Budget Commission.
"They were responsible for taking deep dives into departmental spending," Borowsky said.

The council was made up of seven community members appointed by the council and the then-mayor Jim Lane.
"They were instrumental in reducing our spending without residents feeling the pinch, if you would," Borowsky said. "We didn't have to cut services, we cut the budget by roughly 15 percent."

www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/scottsdales-new-mayor-says-she-doesnt-believe-concept-affordable-housing/75-8a8a7479-01a2-43f6-a002-7e5138822698

___________________________

So - government shouldn’t be involved in free market and developers should decide what to build? Does that mean they will open up zoning requirements so developers can decide what to build?

My sister is probably thrilled - she believes that all apartments are section 8 apartments and therefore shouldn’t be anywhere near her.

🙄

I just searched Scottsdale homes for sale $300-400,000. 2BR 1.5B sfr’s and townhomes. 23 listings.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 17, 2024 17:54:42 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Nov 17, 2024 16:22:22 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nobody wants affordable housing. Yet, when their kids become adults, all of the sudden they are unhappy when their kids can’t afford to live in their hometown. Not to mention where do the teachers, nurses, police and fire department workers who cities need live. They are good enough to work there, but god forbid they want to live there

The solution is simple of course. If you don't want affordable housing, just start paying all these essential workers six figure salaries, no biggie 

Can’t do that. Then we have to pay more in taxes and prices will go up. Inflation=bad, taxes=bad. Better to keep the poor out so they know their place

[NastyWoman]

Nov 17, 2024 18:05:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 17, 2024 17:54:42 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

The solution is simple of course. If you don't want affordable housing, just start paying all these essential workers six figure salaries, no biggie 

Can’t do that. Then we have to pay more in taxes and prices will go up. Inflation=bad, taxes=bad. Better to keep the poor out so they know their place

All this back and forth has thrown me back in time by ~60 years. There was something about my mom that never made sense to me as a kid and after that I never thought about it again or I would have gotten there decades ago*.

My mom was a very generous person who would always help whoever she could. But she had a very strong aversion to what I call organized charity like by churches etc. for lack of a better expression. This just made absolutely no sense to me. But this discussion today and so e stories she told me so long ago made it all crystal clear. These charities she had a big problem with all had two things in common: (1) you had to belong to the right group to get help, and (2) this was even worse in her opinion was that you had to come beg for help. You had to set aside your personal "pride" so others could feel good when they helped you. She was very good at giving things in a way that was just we help each other (I help you, you help me) , making sure that people kept their dignity.

And that is what all these Magidiots lack. They don't like to help others but IF/WHEN they do they sure need someone to pat them on the back and shout from the roof how great they all are.

*Mom died in 1987 so this was quite the (unexpected) trip down memory lane

[raeoflyte]

My neighborhood sent out an email urging people to go to a city planning meeting because they're discussing zoning that would allow *gasp* duplexes on our half acre lots.

[thyme4change]

Nov 17, 2024 15:48:27 GMT -5 Opti said:

Who does she expect to work retail and other jobs paying below median wage?

Teenagers and people who bus in from Phoenix - of course Scottsdale has shit buses - because buses are for poor people so they don’t need them. 🤷🏼‍♀️

I will say that there is a pretty big difference between South Scottsdale/downtown Scottsdale and North Scottsdale. North Scottsdale has a lot of snobs, assholes, fearful bigots and wannabes. South has a little more charm - although still snobby and “aspirational” (maybe delusional).

[thyme4change]

Nov 17, 2024 18:03:10 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Nov 17, 2024 15:42:17 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Or single people

’We don't want to be average': Scottsdale's new mayor says she doesn't believe in concept of affordable housing

New mayor Lisa Borowsky said she wants new developments in Scottsdale to represent the city's "high-end reputation" and "upscale community."

PHOENIX — After defeating incumbent David Ortega, Lisa Borowsky has been elected to serve as the mayor of Scottsdale, the Valley's sixth-largest city.
In a sit-down interview with 12News, Borowsky said she has big ideas for new development in Scottsdale and wants new projects to fall in line with the "high-end reputation" the city has earned. That means fewer apartment complexes.

We don't want to be average, we don't want to be downtown Phoenix. We don't want to have a ton of high density in our community," Borowsky told 12News.

~~~~~~~

When asked if she wanted to see more affordable housing in the area she said government should not meddle in the private industry and pricing.
"I do not believe in the government fixing the price for housing," Borowsky said. "I think that's a free-market issue and developers build what they build and they charge the prices to consumers and consumers participate."
She claimed Scottsdale does have affordable housing. If you have a spouse, that is.
"We do have affordable housing in Scottsdale. A strong volunteer on my team is a realtor and she would frequently pull up searches and someone earning a nurse's salary or teacher's salary, times two, could find a $300-400,000 property they could live in. And there wasn't just one or two, there were a couple of hundred or 400 in one case. So that's misleading, I believe."
Borowsky also talked about her day-one plans to reign in the budget by re-establishing the Citizen's Budget Commission.
"They were responsible for taking deep dives into departmental spending," Borowsky said.

The council was made up of seven community members appointed by the council and the then-mayor Jim Lane.
"They were instrumental in reducing our spending without residents feeling the pinch, if you would," Borowsky said. "We didn't have to cut services, we cut the budget by roughly 15 percent."

www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/scottsdales-new-mayor-says-she-doesnt-believe-concept-affordable-housing/75-8a8a7479-01a2-43f6-a002-7e5138822698

___________________________

So - government shouldn’t be involved in free market and developers should decide what to build? Does that mean they will open up zoning requirements so developers can decide what to build?

My sister is probably thrilled - she believes that all apartments are section 8 apartments and therefore shouldn’t be anywhere near her.

🙄

I just searched Scottsdale homes for sale $300-400,000. 2BR 1.5B sfr’s and townhomes. 23 listings.

Yes - if two teachers get married they could buy a 300k, 1 bedroom condo. Especially if they have a down payment from their grandparents. They probably would still struggle to afford it because their CAM fees would be $1,500 per month.

[giramomma]

there's been no room for poor people in my neck of the woods for at least 30 years now.

there's one public elementary school that draws from an area that has landlords looking away when folks rent beyond occupancy limits. i knew a family that had 9 folks living in a three bedroom apartment. not all nuclear family.

that school has been overpopulated with kids since i have lived in this city. like classes are held in the lunchroom and gym because a school designed to accommodate 450 kids has problems holding 550+ kids

but since they are the poors (and browns) no one cares.


my city can't even get it together to get another homeless shelter together . much like jerseys experience, there are abandoned buildings to be had and a need to
fill. and they can't figure out how to make it work in over 6 years.

my city is over run by dems.

this is not a political issue. it's a have vs have not issue.


i don't know how to fix if or make it better. i tried. ii invested in the community. it hasn't moved the needle at all. so i'll join everyone's apathy, shrug, and be grateful my kids will be ok in a two class system

[jerseygirl]

NJ has guidelines that require every town to have low income housing . There are huge fights over these requirements for low income housing. Too much traffic blah blah blah
The projects that do get built usually have 10% low income apartments and most are expensive luxury. Very nice appearance but people still rail against changing the character of the town.
IMHO nothing related to political parties, it’s not really about poor or low income people. The town residents just don’t want change beyond a few private homes in already built areas. Godforbid building even expensive homes in ‘the woods’

[soupandstew]

Folks around me are divided between supporting affordable housing as long as it's not in their neighborhood and being dead honest about not wanting it anywhere because of the "losers" that live in it.  That is just one of the many things that led to me resigning from the board of my community association.  I found out the president did not bring the issue to the full board and, even though it would have failed, he didn't let anyone have a voice. 

Having been a "loser" and living in affordable housing gives me a rather intimate perspective which strongly varies with many/most in my area.  And that breaks my heart.   

[cronewitch]

Nov 17, 2024 21:17:59 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

Nov 17, 2024 18:05:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Can’t do that. Then we have to pay more in taxes and prices will go up. Inflation=bad, taxes=bad. Better to keep the poor out so they know their place

All this back and forth has thrown me back in time by ~60 years. There was something about my mom that never made sense to me as a kid and after that I never thought about it again or I would have gotten there decades ago*.

My mom was a very generous person who would always help whoever she could. But she had a very strong aversion to what I call organized charity like by churches etc. for lack of a better expression. This just made absolutely no sense to me. But this discussion today and so e stories she told me so long ago made it all crystal clear. These charities she had a big problem with all had two things in common: (1) you had to belong to the right group to get help, and (2) this was even worse in her opinion was that you had to come beg for help. You had to set aside your personal "pride" so others could feel good when they helped you. She was very good at giving things in a way that was just we help each other (I help you, you help me) , making sure that people kept their dignity.

And that is what all these Magidiots lack. They don't like to help others but IF/WHEN they do they sure need someone to pat them on the back and shout from the roof how great they all are.

*Mom died in 1987 so this was quite the (unexpected) trip down memory lane

My ex was a skid row bum before I met him. Churches would force them to attend services to get food, they don't ask if you are Christian or something else but you need to listen for a couple hours to get fed. 

[soupandstew]

Head of local housing authority resigned yesterday after a 6-week investigation by local media.  The 400-unit affordable housing complex just completed at a cost of many millions will never open because it was built on land seriously contaminated with industrial waste products and they knew it when they bought it.  They have a year-long waiting list for housing vouchers because of a "budget shortfall."  Just tip of the iceberg because there are lots of very sketchy contracts with employees (including NDA's) and outside contractors.  Whole things smells worse than dirty feet and last week's tuna casserole.  

[happyhoix]

Nov 19, 2024 16:56:58 GMT -5 soupandstew said:

Head of local housing authority resigned yesterday after a 6-week investigation by local media.  The 400-unit affordable housing complex just completed at a cost of many millions will never open because it was built on land seriously contaminated with industrial waste products and they knew it when they bought it.  They have a year-long waiting list for housing vouchers because of a "budget shortfall."  Just tip of the iceberg because there are lots of very sketchy contracts with employees (including NDA's) and outside contractors.  Whole things smells worse than dirty feet and last week's tuna casserole.  

Wow!! Here’s the thing - no bank will approve money for land purchases without a phase 1 survey, which is a review of past owners/uses/ neighbors the site had. Based on that, a phase I evaluation might be required, where samples are pulled of the ground water, surface water, and dirt, especially in areas that previously had some kind of industrial or agricultural activity (prior to around the 1960s there were no haz waste disposal facilities, everything got dumped in the back lot, usually.) I heard of one bank rejecting a sale because they didn’t like how drums were being stored half a mile down the road.

For this to happen there was a major fuck up somewhere along the way. Curious to see who will be left holding the bag.

[soupandstew]

Nov 20, 2024 11:08:27 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 19, 2024 16:56:58 GMT -5 soupandstew said:

Head of local housing authority resigned yesterday after a 6-week investigation by local media.  The 400-unit affordable housing complex just completed at a cost of many millions will never open because it was built on land seriously contaminated with industrial waste products and they knew it when they bought it.  They have a year-long waiting list for housing vouchers because of a "budget shortfall."  Just tip of the iceberg because there are lots of very sketchy contracts with employees (including NDA's) and outside contractors.  Whole things smells worse than dirty feet and last week's tuna casserole.  

Wow!! Here’s the thing - no bank will approve money for land purchases without a phase 1 survey, which is a review of past owners/uses/ neighbors the site had. Based on that, a phase I evaluation might be required, where samples are pulled of the ground water, surface water, and dirt, especially in areas that previously had some kind of industrial or agricultural activity (prior to around the 1960s there were no haz waste disposal facilities, everything got dumped in the back lot, usually.) I heard of one bank rejecting a sale because they didn’t like how drums were being stored half a mile down the road.

For this to happen there was a major fuck up somewhere along the way. Curious to see who will be left holding the bag.

Oh, the media is showing lots of footage of test boring and some very interesting documents are coming to light about the results and the fact that they were told NOT to build there but went ahead.  Lots of questions about who got the construction contracts and why.  This is going to be gift that keeps on giving because the investigative reporter is a 5-foot tall woman who has turned local politics upside down with her persistence and solid reporting.  When people see her and her microphone coming, they run cause she never takes no for an answer.  

[jerseygirl]

Just too awful that millions were spent ( to what corrupt person?) and no low income housing
Hope many people go to jail!

[soupandstew]

Nov 20, 2024 12:13:20 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Just too awful that millions were spent ( to what corrupt person?) and no low income housing
Hope many people go to jail!

When this reporter reports, multiple people do end up in jail most of the time.  She did a 6-month investigation into the City's water department and the criminal trials will go on for another year or two.  Think executives having their relatives create sham companies to which the execs funneled hundreds of thousands in water line repair contracts and stuff.