billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 38,445 
|
Post by billisonboard on Nov 11, 2024 10:41:43 GMT -5
Having just liberated themselves from rule by a king, our Founding Fathers put into place a governmental system with checks and balances to prevent returning to such rule. Presidents have always pushed against those checks to their power. Over the past fifty plus years, starting with Richard Nixon ( The Imperial Presidency), they have had increased success. We have now elected a President who is actively seeking to complete the process of eliminating all checks to Presidential power. As supporting evidence, I offer: Trump calls on GOP senators vying to be majority leader to agree to recess appointments“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!” I find it ironic that he chose to type the word "leadership" in all capital letters. Leaders would not agree to just accept his desired appointments. They would do their constitutional duty to "advise and consent". This is likely one of many concrete examples we will see. I do think it is the type of action that the American people voted to support. There was a legitimate reason the Founding Fathers put in place the systems of checks and balances. They will soon be gone. scgal posted on another tread (in part) "So face it the America that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside." Remember, the Founding Fathers were Liberals and it is their agenda that is being pushed aside. A fundamental change is taking place in our system of government. I am not pleased by it. I hope my fellow citizens who chose it will be happy with the long term result. |
|
seriousthistime
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 22, 2010 20:27:07 GMT -5
Posts: 5,173
|
Post by seriousthistime on Nov 11, 2024 11:58:41 GMT -5
With a solid majority in the Senate, I don't really see any appointments taking two years or more.
The government often defers to the Founding Fathers, but lately that is out the window, especially with the Supreme Court. They like to rely on the Founding Fathers, until they don't.
We're in for a rocky four years, or at least two years until the midterm elections.
|
|
scgal
Well-Known Member
Joined: Sept 18, 2020 16:56:48 GMT -5
Posts: 1,762
|
Post by scgal on Nov 11, 2024 12:09:21 GMT -5
Having just liberated themselves from rule by a king, our Founding Fathers put into place a governmental system with checks and balances to prevent returning to such rule. Presidents have always pushed against those checks to their power. Over the past fifty plus years, starting with Richard Nixon ( The Imperial Presidency), they have had increased success. We have now elected a President who is actively seeking to complete the process of eliminating all checks to Presidential power. As supporting evidence, I offer: Trump calls on GOP senators vying to be majority leader to agree to recess appointments“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!” I find it ironic that he chose to type the word "leadership" in all capital letters. Leaders would not agree to just accept his desired appointments. They would do their constitutional duty to "advise and consent". This is likely one of many concrete examples we will see. I do think it is the type of action that the American people voted to support. There was a legitimate reason the Founding Fathers put in place the systems of checks and balances. They will soon be gone. scgal posted on another tread (in part) "So face it the America that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside." Remember, the Founding Fathers were Liberals and it is their agenda that is being pushed aside. A fundamental change is taking place in our system of government. I am not pleased by it. I hope my fellow citizens who chose it will be happy with the long term result. The founding fathers were not just "classic liberal" they were republicans and federalist a far cry from the stench of today liberals |
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 38,445
|
Post by billisonboard on Nov 11, 2024 12:17:55 GMT -5
With a solid majority in the Senate, I don't really see any appointments taking two years or more. The government often defers to the Founding Fathers, but lately that is out the window, especially with the Supreme Court. They like to rely on the Founding Fathers, until they don't. We're in for a rocky four years, or at least two years until the midterm elections. Two years? Four years? What I am saying is there is going to be a fundamental change in our governance for the remainder of history. "Power once giveth is seldom returned" In fours years it just might be a liberal President in office but they will exercise the autocratic power that Trump is giving to the Presidency, power not granted by the Constitution. |
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 38,445
|
Post by billisonboard on Nov 11, 2024 12:19:14 GMT -5
Having just liberated themselves from rule by a king, our Founding Fathers put into place a governmental system with checks and balances to prevent returning to such rule. Presidents have always pushed against those checks to their power. Over the past fifty plus years, starting with Richard Nixon ( The Imperial Presidency), they have had increased success. We have now elected a President who is actively seeking to complete the process of eliminating all checks to Presidential power. As supporting evidence, I offer: Trump calls on GOP senators vying to be majority leader to agree to recess appointments“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!” I find it ironic that he chose to type the word "leadership" in all capital letters. Leaders would not agree to just accept his desired appointments. They would do their constitutional duty to "advise and consent". This is likely one of many concrete examples we will see. I do think it is the type of action that the American people voted to support. There was a legitimate reason the Founding Fathers put in place the systems of checks and balances. They will soon be gone. scgal posted on another tread (in part) "So face it the America that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside." Remember, the Founding Fathers were Liberals and it is their agenda that is being pushed aside. A fundamental change is taking place in our system of government. I am not pleased by it. I hope my fellow citizens who chose it will be happy with the long term result. The founding fathers were not just "classic liberal" they were republicans and federalist a far cry from the stench of today liberals Yes. You can go there. Any comment on topic? |
|
seriousthistime
Junior Associate
Joined: Dec 22, 2010 20:27:07 GMT -5
Posts: 5,173
|
Post by seriousthistime on Nov 11, 2024 12:37:50 GMT -5
With a solid majority in the Senate, I don't really see any appointments taking two years or more. The government often defers to the Founding Fathers, but lately that is out the window, especially with the Supreme Court. They like to rely on the Founding Fathers, until they don't. We're in for a rocky four years, or at least two years until the midterm elections. Two years? Four years? What I am saying is there is going to be a fundamental change in our governance for the remainder of history. "Power once giveth is seldom returned" In fours years it just might be a liberal President in office but they will exercise the autocratic power that Trump is giving to the Presidency, power not granted by the Constitution. A rocky two years, minimum. I think there will be a swing the other way eventually. It may not be in my lifetime. If it gets bad enough, it could be sooner. I would love to see an autocratic liberal president. I think the SC would swoop in very quickly to clean up the mess they created. |
|
grumpyhermit
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jul 12, 2012 12:04:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1,501
|
Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 11, 2024 13:36:41 GMT -5
Having just liberated themselves from rule by a king, our Founding Fathers put into place a governmental system with checks and balances to prevent returning to such rule. Presidents have always pushed against those checks to their power. Over the past fifty plus years, starting with Richard Nixon ( The Imperial Presidency), they have had increased success. We have now elected a President who is actively seeking to complete the process of eliminating all checks to Presidential power. As supporting evidence, I offer: Trump calls on GOP senators vying to be majority leader to agree to recess appointments“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!” I find it ironic that he chose to type the word "leadership" in all capital letters. Leaders would not agree to just accept his desired appointments. They would do their constitutional duty to "advise and consent". This is likely one of many concrete examples we will see. I do think it is the type of action that the American people voted to support. There was a legitimate reason the Founding Fathers put in place the systems of checks and balances. They will soon be gone. scgal posted on another tread (in part) "So face it the America that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside." Remember, the Founding Fathers were Liberals and it is their agenda that is being pushed aside. A fundamental change is taking place in our system of government. I am not pleased by it. I hope my fellow citizens who chose it will be happy with the long term result. IDK, I read the all caps leadership as a warning, but air quotes may have been a more fitting annotation to the text. He is making it quite clear if you want to have a position of power, or a perceived position of power, you better get in line. Dissent will not be permitted. My guess is that the people that voted for him will be quite happy in the short term, because the first things he will likely go after are the things they hate. Some of them may realize they chose poorly when the reality of what some of those policies actually mean. Health care and education? Liberal policies friends. |
|
tallguy
Senior Associate
Joined: Apr 2, 2011 19:21:59 GMT -5
Posts: 14,681
|
Post by tallguy on Nov 11, 2024 14:06:01 GMT -5
Having just liberated themselves from rule by a king, our Founding Fathers put into place a governmental system with checks and balances to prevent returning to such rule. Presidents have always pushed against those checks to their power. Over the past fifty plus years, starting with Richard Nixon ( The Imperial Presidency), they have had increased success. We have now elected a President who is actively seeking to complete the process of eliminating all checks to Presidential power. As supporting evidence, I offer: Trump calls on GOP senators vying to be majority leader to agree to recess appointments“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!” I find it ironic that he chose to type the word "leadership" in all capital letters. Leaders would not agree to just accept his desired appointments. They would do their constitutional duty to "advise and consent". This is likely one of many concrete examples we will see. I do think it is the type of action that the American people voted to support. There was a legitimate reason the Founding Fathers put in place the systems of checks and balances. They will soon be gone. scgal posted on another tread (in part) "So face it the America that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside." Remember, the Founding Fathers were Liberals and it is their agenda that is being pushed aside. A fundamental change is taking place in our system of government. I am not pleased by it. I hope my fellow citizens who chose it will be happy with the long term result. The founding fathers were not just "classic liberal" they were republicans and federalist a far cry from the stench of today liberalsAnd an even farther cry from today's Republicans. |
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 38,445
|
Post by billisonboard on Nov 11, 2024 17:12:25 GMT -5
Two years? Four years? What I am saying is there is going to be a fundamental change in our governance for the remainder of history. "Power once giveth is seldom returned" In fours years it just might be a liberal President in office but they will exercise the autocratic power that Trump is giving to the Presidency, power not granted by the Constitution. A rocky two years, minimum. I think there will be a swing the other way eventually. It may not be in my lifetime. If it gets bad enough, it could be sooner. I would love to see an autocratic liberal president. I think the SC would swoop in very quickly to clean up the mess they created. There is little support, right or left, for our governmental institutions. |
|
happyhoix
Distinguished Associate
Joined: Oct 7, 2011 7:22:42 GMT -5
Posts: 21,795
|
Post by happyhoix on Nov 12, 2024 21:11:05 GMT -5
Having just liberated themselves from rule by a king, our Founding Fathers put into place a governmental system with checks and balances to prevent returning to such rule. Presidents have always pushed against those checks to their power. Over the past fifty plus years, starting with Richard Nixon ( The Imperial Presidency), they have had increased success. We have now elected a President who is actively seeking to complete the process of eliminating all checks to Presidential power. As supporting evidence, I offer: Trump calls on GOP senators vying to be majority leader to agree to recess appointments“Any Republican Senator seeking the coveted LEADERSHIP position in the United States Senate must agree to Recess Appointments (in the Senate!), without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner,” Trump posted on X on Sunday. “Sometimes the votes can take two years, or more. This is what they did four years ago, and we cannot let it happen again. We need positions filled IMMEDIATELY!” I find it ironic that he chose to type the word "leadership" in all capital letters. Leaders would not agree to just accept his desired appointments. They would do their constitutional duty to "advise and consent". This is likely one of many concrete examples we will see. I do think it is the type of action that the American people voted to support. There was a legitimate reason the Founding Fathers put in place the systems of checks and balances. They will soon be gone. scgal posted on another tread (in part) "So face it the America that most of the country want is not the America you all want. So hopefully, for the next 4 years the country can push liberal agendas aside." Remember, the Founding Fathers were Liberals and it is their agenda that is being pushed aside. A fundamental change is taking place in our system of government. I am not pleased by it. I hope my fellow citizens who chose it will be happy with the long term result. IDK, I read the all caps leadership as a warning, but air quotes may have been a more fitting annotation to the text. He is making it quite clear if you want to have a position of power, or a perceived position of power, you better get in line. Dissent will not be permitted. My guess is that the people that voted for him will be quite happy in the short term, because the first things he will likely go after are the things they hate. Some of them may realize they chose poorly when the reality of what some of those policies actually mean. Health care and education? Liberal policies friends. Yes. This is why he already has Steven Miller working with the private prison corporations to begin plans to erect the concentration camps for the illegals. Show camps, so Trump can come strut in front of them for the cameras, and Fox can show little immigrant children crying at the fence line. Ultimately, it will be no more effective than his attempt to build a wall, but Trump will suddenly announce, a year or two in, that he solved the problem. |
|
dondubble
Established Member
Joined: Apr 6, 2023 16:25:46 GMT -5
Posts: 419
|
Post by dondubble on Nov 12, 2024 22:19:54 GMT -5
IDK, I read the all caps leadership as a warning, but air quotes may have been a more fitting annotation to the text. He is making it quite clear if you want to have a position of power, or a perceived position of power, you better get in line. Dissent will not be permitted. My guess is that the people that voted for him will be quite happy in the short term, because the first things he will likely go after are the things they hate. Some of them may realize they chose poorly when the reality of what some of those policies actually mean. Health care and education? Liberal policies friends. Yes. This is why he already has Steven Miller working with the private prison corporations to begin plans to erect the concentration camps for the illegals. Show camps, so Trump can come strut in front of them for the cameras, and Fox can show little immigrant children crying at the fence line. Ultimately, it will be no more effective than his attempt to build a wall, but Trump will suddenly announce, a year or two in, that he solved the problem. I doubt more than 1 million will be deported even though he had it up to 21.5 million last week. |
|
billisonboard
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
Posts: 38,445
|
Post by billisonboard on Nov 15, 2024 11:30:22 GMT -5
Trump’s team skips FBI background checks for some Cabinet picks www.cnn.com/2024/11/15/politics/security-clearances-fbi-gabbard-gaetz/index.htmlPresident-elect Donald Trump’s transition team is bypassing traditional FBI background checks for at least some of his Cabinet picks while using private companies to conduct vetting of potential candidates for administration jobs, people close to the transition planning say. |
|
Tennesseer
Member Emeritus
Joined: Dec 20, 2010 21:58:42 GMT -5
Posts: 64,889
|
Post by Tennesseer on Nov 15, 2024 11:40:27 GMT -5
Hillary was right: trump and company are deplorable.
|
|
grumpyhermit
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jul 12, 2012 12:04:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1,501
|
Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 15, 2024 11:46:10 GMT -5
My biggest gripe with the Democratic party is that they never treated Trump and his cohorts with the seriousness they deserved. By and large they still aren't.
The notion that we have to be civil to them, or people will turn against the Dems for being meanies, was, and has always been, utter bullshit. They do that anyway! They ARE deplorable trash. Own it already.
|
|
ken a.k.a OMK
Senior Associate
They killed Kenny, the bastards.
Joined: Dec 21, 2010 14:39:20 GMT -5
Posts: 14,285
Location: Maryland
|
Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Nov 15, 2024 11:57:18 GMT -5
trump could have never passed a security investigation his first term but got a pass as president. Then stole classified documents when leaving office and got away with it with a judge he appointed dismissing the case. His SIL got a pass by trump. This new cabinet couldn't pass so he's giving them a pass.  Just how much injustice can we put up with? |
|
grumpyhermit
Well-Known Member
Joined: Jul 12, 2012 12:04:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1,501
|
Post by grumpyhermit on Nov 15, 2024 11:59:30 GMT -5
trump could have never passed a security investigation his first term but got a pass as president. Then stole classified documents when leaving office and got away with it with a judge he appointed dismissing the case. His SIL got a pass by trump. This new cabinet couldn't pass so he's giving them a pass. Just how much injustice can we put up with? I fear the limit does not exist. We are going to have to choke on it since the American people, in their vast wisdom, thought giving this idiot a second go at destroying the country was a grand idea. |
|
thyme4change
Community Leader
Joined: Dec 26, 2010 13:54:08 GMT -5
Posts: 40,879
|
Post by thyme4change on Nov 15, 2024 12:40:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately- it is very hard to connect a Presidency to consequences down the road. I don’t think many people understand how much Reagan fucked this country. Bill has his fingerprints on some bad shit too. I don’t think anyone can come away from a Presidency without a few black marks, but a bunch of people will die thinking Trump was amazing - and blaming the problems of 2040 on someone else.
|
|
