Did the GOP cheat? A conspiracy theory for the Dems

[happyhoix]

Trump won all seven swing states. 

However, if you look at the electoral college count based on the state’s top race other than the POTUS race, Dems won their races in six out of the 7 swing states (Only PA went GOP). 

So some number of voters voted the Dem ticket, except for POTUS. 

Apparently it’s possible to program the machines to work correctly, except during a certain time frame (like over Election Day). But it would also be very easy to check this - do a hand count of several of the counties that have the most skewed looking returns and verify the hand count matches the reported count. If they match - it’s all good. If they don’t - then they need to file some lawsuits ASAP because Trump will shut this down the minute he’s sworn in. 

I really really hate conspiracy theories. I really really hope the Trump campaign isn’t craven enough to do this. But I think it’s worth doing a iimited hand count to check, because if they did cheat to win, they need to be exposed. 

[billisonboard]

When you look at the details, there is a reasonable explanation for each state. 

[Ryan]

Dems boxed themselves in a corner by calling Trump out on his election fraud claims.  Don't think they can even go down that rabbit hole if they wanted to.

[billisonboard]

They would certainly need to provide actual evidence, something that Trump never could produce. 

[grumpyhermit]

I saw these theories floating around twitter the day after and I had to tap out. It's not helpful. It also deflects attention from the real problem, which is that yes, the electorate really is in favor of white supremacy, patriarchy, and authoritarian principles.

I get the temptation to think our fellow citizens aren't this bereft of decency, but....

Is there wide spread gerrymandering and voter suppression problems in this country? 100%, but that's a different problem.

The Democratic establishment has already clearly signaled they don't intend to pursue any of these claims floating around. Frankly, after 2000, I'm not sure it matters anyway. Even if there were clear and irrefutable evidence, I have zero faith it would amount to anything.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I agree with 2000.  That bullshit should have been called out right then and there.  Once that cat was out of the bag it was never going to be shoved back in.

That subject matter needs to die and we need to be looking at how our government operates.  People have a shocking lack of understanding regarding how the electoral college works and why it even exists to begin with.  I've been for getting rid of it since I took government in HS and the more I read the more I solidify my stance on it.

It is the only way we're ever going to be rid of a two party system.  We should have tiered voting and multiple parties like other Western nations.  While those voting systems also come with their own problems it would break the strangle hold our  two parties have. 

If we REALLY wanted change that is the way to go.  Not just swinging back and forth between the same old shit.

[grumpyhermit]

My conspiracy theory is that the proliferation of left wing conspiracy theories are exactly so people DON'T examine how the government is actually operating. (only partly joking)

While I don't subscribe to the idea that both parties are the same in terms of the damage their policies inflict, I am firmly in the camp that neither has a vested interested in fixing our broken electoral system.

Actually fixing it seems an almost Sisyphean task. It will take so much coordination at the local level, and the system is just not built to allow viable third parties. I have been voting the lesser evil my entire voting history, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.

[thyme4change]

I went through the entire AZ ballot results on Sunday - we had a LOT of stuff on there. We got Rueben and Abortion. We rejected a few (confusing) right wing propositions and most liberal propositions. We kept our conservative, controversial Supreme Court justices. We went Republican on just about every race in contention - corporate commission, sheriff, national and state congress (the unsafe ones).

I can’t comfortably say that Trump winning looked bizarre or wrong in any way. Reuben’s win is the outlier here - not Trump. I guess Kari Lake is that bad. Maybe she will go away now.

[grumpyhermit]

I saw some post on Twitter, about AOC and a question she asked her voters; essentially, if you voted for me and Trump, please explain why. 

I didn't go through it in great detail, but the gist was that they thought both were authentic, and they thought they were both outsiders. 

While I can't understand that level of detachment from reality, I can't say it surprises me either. I am probably the most politically aware person in my immediate family, and I consider myself very surface level as far as policy awareness goes. It does not shock me that most voters are going on vibes. 

[busymom]

It would NOT surprise me if they were cheating.  Every time they point the finger at illegal voting, some Republican gets busted for voting with their dead mother's ballot, or whatever.  


Frankly, I'm surprised they took every swing state.  That probably deserves some attention, but if it was a clean win, then it's on the voters for choosing poorly.  

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Nov 12, 2024 11:56:58 GMT -5 busymom said:

It would NOT surprise me if they were cheating.  Every time they point the finger at illegal voting, some Republican gets busted for voting with their dead mother's ballot, or whatever.  


Frankly, I'm surprised they took every swing state.  That probably deserves some attention, but if it was a clean win, then it's on the voters for choosing poorly.  

Just my opinion. I think we are staring at dear leader or his acolytes having 99% of the vote in the next "election" and several thereafter. The Rep deep state has had 4 years to tweak stuff in their favor. The next 4 years will be shredding the government as we know it and setting up an autocratic system.

I am not sure we will ever know if it was a clean win. Election investigators will be told, "I won, no need to look at anything".

Yes, my cynicism is now complete.

[happyhoix]

Nov 12, 2024 9:16:59 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

I saw some post on Twitter, about AOC and a question she asked her voters; essentially, if you voted for me and Trump, please explain why. 

I didn't go through it in great detail, but the gist was that they thought both were authentic, and they thought they were both outsiders. 

While I can't understand that level of detachment from reality, I can't say it surprises me either. I am probably the most politically aware person in my immediate family, and I consider myself very surface level as far as policy awareness goes. It does not shock me that most voters are going on vibes. 

Yeah I saw that article too, and it kind of backed me away from the conspiracy cliff. 

One of the responses was that Trump ‘would bring in the money’ and cared about men’s rights. 

www.businessinsider.com/aoc-trump-harris-democrats-economy-gaza-split-ticket-voters-2024-11

I remember listening to one of Trump’s speeches during the campaign and he kept going on and on about how his big tariffs would make money ‘pour’ into the country. He didn’t say who exactly would get that money, and he tried to say China would be paying the bill (just like he used to say Mexico would build the wall). 

I read another article where someone interviewed a bunch of illegal men standing outside a Walmart in Texas. None of them could vote (and didn’t vote) but one guy, who has lived here twenty years, said he wanted Trump to win because Trump would bring the ‘money’ and his hope was that when they came to collect all the illegals to ship back to Mexico, they wouldn’t take him because he has been here so long (??). Once they picked up and removed all the new illegals, though, he figured there would be more work for long term illegals like him. 

It’s the money. A lot of people, even illegal immigrants, are willing to ignore all the Trump red flags because they’re hoping he isn’t lying about the money pouring into the country, and into their pockets. 

Too bad Trump is probably going to take our good economy and burn it to the ground. As Elon Musk has said repeatedly, Americans are in for hard times. Or at least the middle and lower class Americans are. 

[happyhoix]

Nov 10, 2024 23:03:58 GMT -5 Ryan said:

Dems boxed themselves in a corner by calling Trump out on his election fraud claims.  Don't think they can even go down that rabbit hole if they wanted to.

They could go down the rabbit hole if they actual found a rabbit. 

Remember Trump had 60 plus lawsuits and never found a thing. If you read my original post, I suggested the Dems check a few counties in each swing state ONLY, comparing the machine count agains a hand count, and if the two matched (or nearly matched) to accept the loss and go on. 

Like adults. 

[grumpyhermit]

Nov 12, 2024 20:30:56 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 12, 2024 9:16:59 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

I saw some post on Twitter, about AOC and a question she asked her voters; essentially, if you voted for me and Trump, please explain why. 

I didn't go through it in great detail, but the gist was that they thought both were authentic, and they thought they were both outsiders. 

While I can't understand that level of detachment from reality, I can't say it surprises me either. I am probably the most politically aware person in my immediate family, and I consider myself very surface level as far as policy awareness goes. It does not shock me that most voters are going on vibes. 

Yeah I saw that article too, and it kind of backed me away from the conspiracy cliff. 

One of the responses was that Trump ‘would bring in the money’ and cared about men’s rights. 

www.businessinsider.com/aoc-trump-harris-democrats-economy-gaza-split-ticket-voters-2024-11

I remember listening to one of Trump’s speeches during the campaign and he kept going on and on about how his big tariffs would make money ‘pour’ into the country. He didn’t say who exactly would get that money, and he tried to say China would be paying the bill (just like he used to say Mexico would build the wall). 

I read another article where someone interviewed a bunch of illegal men standing outside a Walmart in Texas. None of them could vote (and didn’t vote) but one guy, who has lived here twenty years, said he wanted Trump to win because Trump would bring the ‘money’ and his hope was that when they came to collect all the illegals to ship back to Mexico, they wouldn’t take him because he has been here so long (??). Once they picked up and removed all the new illegals, though, he figured there would be more work for long term illegals like him. 

It’s the money. A lot of people, even illegal immigrants, are willing to ignore all the Trump red flags because they’re hoping he isn’t lying about the money pouring into the country, and into their pockets. 

Too bad Trump is probably going to take our good economy and burn it to the ground. As Elon Musk has said repeatedly, Americans are in for hard times. Or at least the middle and lower class Americans are. 

The thing I struggle with about this, is that even if it is the money (and you are right, I think way more people care about the money than who is in the bathroom stall next to them), how on EARTH do you look at Trumps inane ramblings, and think "Yup, that's my guy!"

I will never get it, but I do find it easier to buy that the average voter is an iditot, than that there is a vast multi state conspiracy to steal and or alter votes.

[happyhoix]

Nov 12, 2024 20:59:19 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Nov 12, 2024 20:30:56 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Yeah I saw that article too, and it kind of backed me away from the conspiracy cliff. 

One of the responses was that Trump ‘would bring in the money’ and cared about men’s rights. 

www.businessinsider.com/aoc-trump-harris-democrats-economy-gaza-split-ticket-voters-2024-11

I remember listening to one of Trump’s speeches during the campaign and he kept going on and on about how his big tariffs would make money ‘pour’ into the country. He didn’t say who exactly would get that money, and he tried to say China would be paying the bill (just like he used to say Mexico would build the wall). 

I read another article where someone interviewed a bunch of illegal men standing outside a Walmart in Texas. None of them could vote (and didn’t vote) but one guy, who has lived here twenty years, said he wanted Trump to win because Trump would bring the ‘money’ and his hope was that when they came to collect all the illegals to ship back to Mexico, they wouldn’t take him because he has been here so long (??). Once they picked up and removed all the new illegals, though, he figured there would be more work for long term illegals like him. 

It’s the money. A lot of people, even illegal immigrants, are willing to ignore all the Trump red flags because they’re hoping he isn’t lying about the money pouring into the country, and into their pockets. 

Too bad Trump is probably going to take our good economy and burn it to the ground. As Elon Musk has said repeatedly, Americans are in for hard times. Or at least the middle and lower class Americans are. 

The thing I struggle with about this, is that even if it is the money (and you are right, I think way more people care about the money than who is in the bathroom stall next to them), how on EARTH do you look at Trumps inane ramblings, and think "Yup, that's my guy!"

I will never get it, but I do find it easier to buy that the average voter is an iditot, than that there is a vast multi state conspiracy to steal and or alter votes.

Yep. Like that immigrant who thought Trump would bring in money but wouldn’t kick him out, and all the women that voted for him because they didn’t think they’d ever have a pregnancy complication that might need medical intervention they can’t get anymore, and the middle class voters who think Trump would actually do anything to help them. 

Wishful thinking, or maybe they just aren’t paying attention.