Trump was never qualified to be president — or anything else

[djAdvocate]

Nov 4, 2024 9:17:42 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Anyone who did 10 minutes of research on Donald Trump would know what a phony he is.  His being a great businessman could easily be dispelled.  You are not for the little people when you stiff contractors and vendors who worked on your failed casino projects.  Between that and the failed steaks, university, magazines, and airline to name a few.  Then the portrayal of a billionaire on a reality show. 


His total incompetence during the pandemic proved he is not qualified.  He didn't care enough about the country during Jan 2020 to take his daily briefings. 


  

he "made" $3B off of those bankruptcies by not having to PERSONALLY discharge those debts.  he has learned how to game the kindness and forgiveness in our legal system to his benefit.  THAT is how he makes money.  not the way most people do- by hard work, and earning it.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 4, 2024 14:52:30 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 4, 2024 7:55:41 GMT -5 scgal said:

And your point is? The video and the tapes have nothing in common. Besides the bantering on the bus is nothing more than locker room talk. As far as Carroll she is a lying that's enough, Tenn!

Do you often call 80 year olds skanks? 

And do you say that about other sex abuse victims?  

Only unworthy victims, because they deserve it. If it was a conservative white women, she would believe her.

It’s funny how she wants to see cases get in front of a jury, yet the one that did, she refuses to accept the verdict. Again, I guess it needs to be the right type of jury

[djAdvocate]

Nov 4, 2024 14:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 4, 2024 14:52:30 GMT -5 swamp said:

Do you often call 80 year olds skanks? 

And do you say that about other sex abuse victims?  

Only unworthy victims, because they deserve it. If it was a conservative white women, she would believe her.

It’s funny how she wants to see cases get in front of a jury, yet the one that did, she refuses to accept the verdict. Again, I guess it needs to be the right type of jury

here is the problem, though.  conservative white women would take a settlement to keep this quiet, right?  i mean that is the nature of conservatism, to not make a public display of the tawdry details of "men in charge".  at least that is how i see it.  that is why i can't think of ANY examples of this, right off the top of my head.  and that serves conservative men very well.

[swamp]

Nov 4, 2024 14:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 4, 2024 14:52:30 GMT -5 swamp said:

Do you often call 80 year olds skanks? 

And do you say that about other sex abuse victims?  

Only unworthy victims, because they deserve it. If it was a conservative white women, she would believe her.

It’s funny how she wants to see cases get in front of a jury, yet the one that did, she refuses to accept the verdict. Again, I guess it needs to be the right type of jury

I don't know Carroll's politics.  For all I know, she's a conservative.   

I do believe that he groped her in a dressing room like she says.    He admitted he does it.  

[Tennesseer]

Nov 4, 2024 14:17:50 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 4, 2024 8:56:52 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I'm starting to wonder if all South Carolina residents marry their brothers and sisters and have children with them. No one could be more obtuse than you.

Ooh obtuse did you strain your brain for that one. 

LOL. A skanky reply from you.

[mollyanna58]

Why does anyone bother?

[tallguy]

Nov 4, 2024 16:17:38 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

Why does anyone bother?

Entertainment.  And an almost morbid curiosity.   

[tbop77]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/we-won-t-hold-our-breath-trump-rallies-leave-over-a-dozen-cities-with-unpaid-bills/ar-AA1tuByj?cvid=a4d841410fd44806d34943f974c03aef&ei=41

Now this....is what he is really qualified to be.  A deadbeat, he's been one all his life.  

[scgal]

Nov 4, 2024 14:47:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 4, 2024 7:55:41 GMT -5 scgal said:

And your point is? The video and the tapes have nothing in common. Besides the bantering on the bus is nothing more than locker room talk. As far as Carroll she is a lying that's enough, Tenn!

i gave him the benefit of the doubt when he first said that.  but now?  there are literally dozens of women that have accused him of that behavior, and worse.  and, candidly, he has not actually denied ANY of it.  he says that he "doesn't know E Jean Carroll", and that might be true.  many rapists do NOT know their victims.  it is not necessary to KNOW someone to assault them.  i find it much easier to believe those dozens of women than someone who has a known pattern of lying for his own benefit.

but you don't.  why?

These women came out years after claimed it happened that and given the fact he is rich and makes him a mark. So unless it is within a week too bad didn't happen

[scgal]

Nov 4, 2024 14:52:30 GMT -5 swamp said:

Nov 4, 2024 7:55:41 GMT -5 scgal said:

And your point is? The video and the tapes have nothing in common. Besides the bantering on the bus is nothing more than locker room talk. As far as Carroll she is a lying that's enough, Tenn!

Do you often call 80 year olds skanks? 

And do you say that about other sex abuse victims?  

yep fake victims sure do

[scgal]

Nov 4, 2024 14:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 4, 2024 14:52:30 GMT -5 swamp said:

Do you often call 80 year olds skanks? 

And do you say that about other sex abuse victims?  

Only unworthy victims, because they deserve it. If it was a conservative white women, she would believe her.

It’s funny how she wants to see cases get in front of a jury, yet the one that did, she refuses to accept the verdict. Again, I guess it needs to be the right type of jury

I don't like he said she said type of shit real evidence if there was a video then I would say he is guilty. A voice recording of him saying he grabs because he can does not make him guilty of it. 

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 5, 2024 8:41:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 4, 2024 14:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Only unworthy victims, because they deserve it. If it was a conservative white women, she would believe her.

It’s funny how she wants to see cases get in front of a jury, yet the one that did, she refuses to accept the verdict. Again, I guess it needs to be the right type of jury

I don't like he said she said type of shit real evidence if there was a video then I would say he is guilty. A voice recording of him saying he grabs because he can does not make him guilty of it. 

Actually, it does make him guilty. A jury said so. You just refuse to believe the jury. But in the eyes of the law, he is guilty.

You believe in the death penalty. Innocent people have been executed. If you believe a jury can be wrong, how do you justify that?

[irishpad]

16 year old girl, crying:  "Mom, uh, something bad happened.   My boss at work..  oh shit, .  uh he had me stay late to help clean up and uh,  well he locked the doors and then pushed me into his office and, uh, well, he raped me."   Mom:  "Do you have a audio tape or video?  If not, he is not guilty."   

[grumpyhermit]

Nov 5, 2024 9:19:51 GMT -5 irishpad said:

16 year old girl, crying:  "Mom, uh, something bad happened.   My boss at work..  oh shit, .  uh he had me stay late to help clean up and uh,  well he locked the doors and then pushed me into his office and, uh, well, he raped me."   Mom:  "Do you have a audio tape or video?  If not, he is not guilty."   

"Oh, this "happened" two weeks ago? Fake victim. Everyone knows if you are assaulted there is no reason to wait to report."

Was reading earlier this week about the 12 year old victim that had to collect her own fucking evidence of assault since when she initially reported they not only didn't believe her, the LEOs made her write apology letters for making false claims. 

It's really a miracle ANY victim ever comes forward. 

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 5, 2024 9:19:51 GMT -5 irishpad said:

16 year old girl, crying:  "Mom, uh, something bad happened.   My boss at work..  oh shit, .  uh he had me stay late to help clean up and uh,  well he locked the doors and then pushed me into his office and, uh, well, he raped me."   Mom:  "Do you have an audio tape or video?  If not, he is not guilty."   

I was going to say something similar. We should never believe someone in that situation according to scgals standards. Just give free reign to sexual predators

[wwtpgirl66]

Nov 5, 2024 9:19:51 GMT -5 irishpad said:

16 year old girl, crying:  "Mom, uh, something bad happened.   My boss at work..  oh shit, .  uh he had me stay late to help clean up and uh,  well he locked the doors and then pushed me into his office and, uh, well, he raped me."   Mom:  "Do you have a audio tape or video?  If not, he is not guilty."   

I was just thinking of this and hoping that this never happens to sc gal or one of her daughters, sisters, mothers or then you can be sure that the man is guilty then.  But then again reading her ignorant posts perhaps I am giving her too much credit.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 5, 2024 8:37:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 4, 2024 14:47:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i gave him the benefit of the doubt when he first said that.  but now?  there are literally dozens of women that have accused him of that behavior, and worse.  and, candidly, he has not actually denied ANY of it.  he says that he "doesn't know E Jean Carroll", and that might be true.  many rapists do NOT know their victims.  it is not necessary to KNOW someone to assault them.  i find it much easier to believe those dozens of women than someone who has a known pattern of lying for his own benefit.

but you don't.  why?

These women came out years after claimed it happened that and given the fact he is rich and makes him a mark. So unless it is within a week too bad didn't happen

do you feel the same way about boys raped by priests?

[djAdvocate]

Nov 5, 2024 8:41:15 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 4, 2024 14:55:38 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Only unworthy victims, because they deserve it. If it was a conservative white women, she would believe her.

It’s funny how she wants to see cases get in front of a jury, yet the one that did, she refuses to accept the verdict. Again, I guess it needs to be the right type of jury

I don't like he said she said type of shit real evidence if there was a video then I would say he is guilty. A voice recording of him saying he grabs because he can does not make him guilty of it. 

no, but it does "go to character".

personally?  i don't have any opinion on E Jean Caroll.  but i believe in juries and evidence.  if they had enough to convict him twice, he is by every standard we can proffer, guilty.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 5, 2024 8:37:26 GMT -5 scgal said:

Nov 4, 2024 14:47:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i gave him the benefit of the doubt when he first said that.  but now?  there are literally dozens of women that have accused him of that behavior, and worse.  and, candidly, he has not actually denied ANY of it.  he says that he "doesn't know E Jean Carroll", and that might be true.  many rapists do NOT know their victims.  it is not necessary to KNOW someone to assault them.  i find it much easier to believe those dozens of women than someone who has a known pattern of lying for his own benefit.

but you don't.  why?

These women came out years after claimed it happened that and given the fact he is rich and makes him a mark. So unless it is within a week too bad didn't happen

Learn something. And thank goodness you don't counsel survivors of sexual assault. You would probably call them all skanks when they went to you for help.

Why do Women Wait to Report Sexual Assault & Rape?
Recently it feels like nearly every day there is news on TV about sexual assault. We’re hearing stories of women being grabbed inappropriately or being pressured into performing sexual acts with males who have power over them. We’re also hearing stories about violent sexual assaults, chronic domestic violence and rape. Sometimes, these news stories about sexual violence even hit close to home.

I’ve heard people quietly question why victims are coming forward now, often months or even years after the violent act (be it sexual assault, domestic violence or rape) took place. As a Columbia, MO trauma counselor, I want to speak up and offer an answer to this question. Keep in mind that the women I treat have usually experienced significant trauma that was more than a inappropriate, unwanted touch. I see women who were made to participate in sexual acts against their will or raped. The women enter my office are usually scared and emotionally drained by the time they decide to come to counseling. They often can’t even tell me their full story until we’ve worked together for at least a couple of months despite the trauma being the very reason they’re seeking treatment.

Avoiding Instead of Reporting: A Common First Reaction to Sexual Assault
While every trauma story is different, one common timeline I hear is that the a woman was assaulted, abused or raped and immediately tried to put it out of her mind. Often the victim believes the violence was her own fault, she is afraid of the consequences of coming forward or she simply wants to forget it ever happened. Often the victim is so immersed in this denial that they don’t even acknowledge that the experience was an assault or rape.

At first, the victim may be able to cover up their feelings about their trauma. They may even engage in other risky behavior such as excessive drinking, partying, “hook ups,” drugs or made sudden life changing decisions. Or perhaps none of that-they just go about their day to day life trying to put on a brave face. Very few people in their life realize anything happened. This is especially true of college students who people may expect to have some fluctuations in behavior. Sometimes the survivors are successful for months even in convincing themselves that the rape or sexual assault didn’t have an impact.

The Development of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
The Post Traumatic Stress Disorder symptoms begin-these may seem to hit suddenly or could creep up slowly. The sexual violence survivor realizes that she’s sleeping less even though she may be in bed more. When she does sleep, she sometimes has nightmares. She may see her attacker’s face or otherwise feel threatened in her dreams. Even during the day, she’s jumpy. It seems like she’s scared of every little thing. She may start missing classes or work because walking, even just from a parking lot to her office or class, feels like taking a major risk. She’s always watching for attacker.

Some victims are forced to see their assailant at work, class or other public places. Even if they don’t, they’re worried about spotting the man who hurt them in a crowd. The woman is watching for him everywhere she goes and if she sees someone with a similar build, hair color or other feature her heart stops for just a minute until she realizes it’s someone else. Despite avoiding situations, people and things that suddenly make her feel unsafe, the victim still can’t get the images, sounds or feelings she experienced during the trauma out of her head and it feels like she’s reliving the violence over and over again.

Reporting the Rape or Sexual Assault
Reaching out for help can feel impossible. The survivor (and yes, I’m purposefully saying survivor instead of victim) is just now admitting to herself what really happened. Maybe she’s still afraid to say the words “sexual assault,” “Domestic Abuse,” or “rape” out loud. She’s not sure if she can feel better, but she knows she needs to find a way to stop the PTSD symptoms if she’s going to be able to move forward. It’s around this point that she may file a police report, start the Title 9 process (for college students), disclose the assault or abuse to a trusted friend/family member, or seek counseling for PTSD. Even if she does one of these, she may not do the other. For instance, the survivor may open up to a friend and share that she was raped but choose not to tell her parents or file a police report.

Why the delay in reporting rape? #WhyIDidntReport
So, why don’t women report sexual violence immediately? It varies based on situation and the reasons can be complicated, but here are a few reasons I hear:

The victim doesn’t immediately acknowledge or label the event as an assault, trauma or sexual abuse. They may not even understand that what they went through was rape/sexual assault. Often survivors can’t even say the word “rape” outlaid, especially in reference to their own experience for years.

The woman is afraid she won’t be believed either because the assailant is in a position of power, is well liked or simply because they’re a female. To be honest, the recent news cycle isn’t helping with this. Survivors of sexual violence are watching the news very closely right now. They’re also seeing the reactions of their friends, colleagues, peers and family members on social media. Each time someone on social media posts that a survivor is trying to “ruin a man’s life,” or hears a politician make the case that their colleague shouldn’t lose his position due to “one mistake,” the survivor notices. When a loved one is discussing the news cycle and shakes their head saying, “Unfortunately it’s a case of he said, she said,” the survivor takes note. If they told you, if they came forward, their case would be the same.

The victim is worried she is at fault. Maybe she had something to drink, initially eagerly engaged in making out, or agreed to go somewhere alone with a man and she thinks she should have “known better.” Even if she acknowledges that her actions don’t give the man a right to hurt her, she may worry that others will think something she did implied consent. For many, many years our society wrongly gave the impression that somehow women needed to “cover up” or make specific choices to avoid “giving the wrong impression.” Why is it ok for a man to attack a woman just because she’s drunk, dressed in revealing clothing or let him pay for a date? The answer is that it’s not, but women have often internalized that message to the point where they think they somehow “asked for” or “deserved” the sexual assault.

The woman doesn’t think she can emotionally handle it if her attacker is found “not guilty” or “not responsible.” This is a tough one, because it’s a realistic fear. Entirely too often, rapists and assailants suffer little or no consequences even after a report has been made. This can feel devastating to the person making the report. It’s re-traumatizing to go through the reporting process and then they feel invalidated when their perpetrator is allowed to continue walking around as if nothing happened or faces very minimal consequence.

The victim feels that reporting won’t make a difference because it can’t erase the trauma.

For more reasons, search #WhyIDidntReport on Twitter. The results are powerful. Women are speaking up across the country about the many, many reasons they hesitate to disclose sexual assault and instead live in silent pain.

Rest of article here: Why do Women Wait to Report Sexual Assault & Rape?

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 5, 2024 9:50:30 GMT -5 wwtpgirl66 said:

Nov 5, 2024 9:19:51 GMT -5 irishpad said:

16 year old girl, crying:  "Mom, uh, something bad happened.   My boss at work..  oh shit, .  uh he had me stay late to help clean up and uh,  well he locked the doors and then pushed me into his office and, uh, well, he raped me."   Mom:  "Do you have a audio tape or video?  If not, he is not guilty."   

I was just thinking of this and hoping that this never happens to sc gal or one of her daughters, sisters, mothers or then you can be sure that the man is guilty then.  But then again reading her ignorant posts perhaps I am giving her too much credit.

She has said she was sexually assaulted. Wonder if we should believe her?

[minnesotapaintlady]

Nov 5, 2024 10:26:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 5, 2024 9:50:30 GMT -5 wwtpgirl66 said:

I was just thinking of this and hoping that this never happens to sc gal or one of her daughters, sisters, mothers or then you can be sure that the man is guilty then.  But then again reading her ignorant posts perhaps I am giving her too much credit.

She has said she was sexually assaulted. Wonder if we should believe her?

She probably asked for it.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

So the jury isn't to be believed when they convicted Trump  . . .

But if a jury sentences someone to death clearly they deserve it. Not only should they not be allowed to appeal but an express lane should be established so we can hurry up with the job.  They were probably guilty of something anyhow.

Who statistically makes up most death row inmates?  And statistically who makes up the majority of people who have been exonerated from Death row?

People need to be careful their privilege is showing.

[grumpyhermit]

Nov 5, 2024 10:34:36 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

So the jury isn't to be believed when they convicted Trump  . . .

But if a jury sentences someone to death clearly they deserve it. Not only should they not be allowed to appeal but an express lane should be established so we can hurry up with the job.  They were probably guilty of something anyhow.

Who statistically makes up most death row inmates?  And statistically who makes up the majority of people who have been exonerated from Death row?

People need to be careful their privilege is showing.

If there is one thing conservatives have proven they EXCEL at it, it is the ability to hold vastly different opinions depending on whether or not they agree with the outcome. 

We agree? = The system is perfect and without flaw. 

We disagree? = The system is rigged and must be dismantled. 

This is why there really is no arguing with them. They are immune to logical arguments. It all comes down to how they feel. 

[wwtpgirl66]

Nov 5, 2024 10:26:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 5, 2024 9:50:30 GMT -5 wwtpgirl66 said:

I was just thinking of this and hoping that this never happens to sc gal or one of her daughters, sisters, mothers or then you can be sure that the man is guilty then.  But then again reading her ignorant posts perhaps I am giving her too much credit.

She has said she was sexually assaulted. Wonder if we should believe her?

Well then....for f's sake she is more off her rocker than I predicted.  I'm going with MPL that she must of really asked for it if she didn't think what was done to her was wrong.  Idiots. (I'm going to preface this comment by saying that I think NO ONE ever asks for it...and that thought process is so wrong I just can't)

[Tennesseer]

Nov 5, 2024 10:26:06 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 5, 2024 9:50:30 GMT -5 wwtpgirl66 said:

I was just thinking of this and hoping that this never happens to sc gal or one of her daughters, sisters, mothers or then you can be sure that the man is guilty then.  But then again reading her ignorant posts perhaps I am giving her too much credit.

She has said she was sexually assaulted. Wonder if we should believe her?

Maybe scgal is projecting when she calls E. Jean Carroll a lying that's enough, Tenn!.

[dondubble]

Nov 5, 2024 9:31:05 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

Nov 5, 2024 9:19:51 GMT -5 irishpad said:

16 year old girl, crying:  "Mom, uh, something bad happened.   My boss at work..  oh shit, .  uh he had me stay late to help clean up and uh,  well he locked the doors and then pushed me into his office and, uh, well, he raped me."   Mom:  "Do you have an audio tape or video?  If not, he is not guilty."   

"Oh, this "happened" two weeks ago? Fake victim. Everyone knows if you are assaulted there is no reason to wait to report."

Was reading earlier this week about the 12 year old victim that had to collect her own fucking evidence of assault since when she initially reported they not only didn't believe her, the LEOs made her write apology letters for making false claims. 

It's really a miracle ANY victim ever comes forward. 

The percentage is very low, even lower for minors. It takes a certain kind of woman to say they are all fakes if it takes awhile to get the courage to go after a rich and famous white man.

[busymom]

I have a relative who used to work at a rape crisis center.  Sadly, the fastest way for a man to go from pro-life to pro-choice is to have his daughter or wife, or someone else he cares for get raped.  


I don't care if a woman is half-naked.  I don't care if a woman has passed out.  I don't care if a young girl is all alone.  NO ONE has the right to rape a woman or child.  Plus, we have to stop punishing women/girls who were raped (blame the victim) and stop giving a pass to the men who do it.  Women and girls feel shame, no matter how it happened.  Why don't we shame the men?  Why do they get such short prison sentences, if they get any jail time at all, while we "expect" a woman to carry the pregnancy, and spend the next 18 years raising a child that she didn't have a choice to have to begin with?  Our current system is SO messed up.  Rape survivors are NOT skanks.  The women who privately admitted to me they had been raped (and all of them were under 18, except for one) are among the strongest women I know.  

[steph08]

I agree, Donald Trump was never, and is still not, qualified to be POTUS. 

As for the SA discussion this has become, I listened to Jon Krakauer's non-fiction Missoula: Rape and the Justice System in a College Town book a few years ago, and it, along with a close friend telling me about her experience with SA, has really opened my eyes to the number of people that have experienced it and chose not to come forward, mainly because of backlash and vitriol that scgal is spewing. 

But in the end, sometimes they do come forward years after the fact because they have had these experiences with these men that are now seeking positions of power. They want or need people to know that underneath the public persona, this is who that man is in private. Or they've finally gone through enough therapy to be able to withstand the backlash. 

It also opened my eyes to the fact that there are plenty of men out there that don't believe their actions are SA. They think it was consensual, even if the girl is telling them no or if the girl is sleeping. 

In Fredrik Backman's "Bear Town," which is a fictional book that centers around how a small town reacts to a SA, there's a quote that I think explains - "For the perpetrator, rape lasts just a matter of minutes. For the victim, it never stops."

[djAdvocate]

Nov 5, 2024 12:10:06 GMT -5 dondubble said:

Nov 5, 2024 9:31:05 GMT -5 grumpyhermit said:

"Oh, this "happened" two weeks ago? Fake victim. Everyone knows if you are assaulted there is no reason to wait to report."

Was reading earlier this week about the 12 year old victim that had to collect her own fucking evidence of assault since when she initially reported they not only didn't believe her, the LEOs made her write apology letters for making false claims. 

It's really a miracle ANY victim ever comes forward. 

The percentage is very low, even lower for minors. It takes a certain kind of woman to say they are all fakes if it takes awhile to get the courage to go after a rich and famous white man.

upwards of 90% of women are sexually assaulted at some point in their lives.  note: this is not ALL rape.  it is unwanted touching, fondling, groping, etc.  if every woman reported every incident, the courts would be flooded.  the sad part is that only a very small fraction of men are responsible for this, but they are "serial assaulters".  and because other men, and some women provide cover for them, they continue on assaulting women.  

i won't name names....but.....(cough, Donald Trump, cough)

[dondubble]

Nov 5, 2024 12:58:40 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 5, 2024 12:10:06 GMT -5 dondubble said:

The percentage is very low, even lower for minors. It takes a certain kind of woman to say they are all fakes if it takes awhile to get the courage to go after a rich and famous white man.

upwards of 90% of women are sexually assaulted at some point in their lives.  note: this is not ALL rape.  it is unwanted touching, fondling, groping, etc.  if every woman reported every incident, the courts would be flooded.  the sad part is that only a very small fraction of men are responsible for this, but they are "serial assaulters".  and because other men, and some women provide cover for them, they continue on assaulting women.  

i won't name names....but.....(cough, Donald Trump, cough)

We have a very good friend, now retired, that was the lead sex crimes prosecutor. She and her team were very busy and there was always a huge backlog of cases and unchecked rape kits. Not enough resources to handle it all.