Ukraine says it sank Russian submarine

[Opti]

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-submarines-trapped-in-black-sea-as-turkey-blocks-escape/ar-AA1ofUP2?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=90fd82b5aba945fba27cc4751498e7ed&ei=38


www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-military-says-it-attacked-russian-airfield-oil-depots-2024-08-03/


By Reuters

August 3, 202411:34 AM EDTUpdated 3 days ago







KYIV, Aug 3 (Reuters) - Ukraine's military said on Saturday it had sunk a submarine in Russian-controlled Sevastopol, attacked a southern Russian airfield and hit oil depots and fuel and lubricant storage facilities in Belgorod, Kursk and Rostov regions.

"A Russian submarine went to the bottom of the Black Sea," the defence ministry said in a post on X, naming the vessel as the B-237 Rostov-on-Don attack submarine.


In Russia, local officials reported that tanks at a fuel storage depot in the Kamensky district of Rostov region caught fire as a result of a drone attack.

The regional governor of Belgorod also said Ukraine-launched drones caused a fire at an oil storage depot there, adding that the fire was extinguished and no one was injured.

Ukraine has dramatically stepped up its use of long-range drones this year to attack Russian oil facilities, attempting to damage sites fueling Russian forces and the country's economy in Moscow's 29-month-old invasion.

[Opti]

Something is also going on with Iraq attacking an airbase, but back to the OP
Turkey is a member of NATO.

From the first link,

www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-submarines-trapped-in-black-sea-as-turkey-blocks-escape/ar-AA1ofUP2?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=90fd82b5aba945fba27cc4751498e7ed&ei=38


Four Russian Kilo-class submarines recently caused significant concern in the Black Sea. After the Ukrainians sank one of them—the "Rostov-on-Don," it became evident that the remaining units would soon cease to be a threat. They cannot leave the Black Sea due to Turkey's blockade of the Bosporus.

On Friday, during a missile attack on Crimea, the Ukrainians sank the Russian submarine "Rostov-on-Don." It was one of four such units in the Black Sea capable of attacking Ukraine with Kalibr missiles.



According to the Ukrainian service Defence Express, the successful attack on "Rostov-on-Don," undergoing repairs at the facility in Kilen Bay, Sevastopol, indicates that all Russian submarines in the Black Sea are trapped.

[djAdvocate]

interesting development.
Turkiye has enjoyed friendly relations with Russia.

[billisonboard]

Aug 6, 2024 10:53:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

interesting development.
Turkiye has enjoyed friendly relations with Russia.

Here is a story about the closure: Turkey Closes Bosphorus, Dardanelles Straits to Warships

The story is dated: FEBRUARY 28, 2022 8:14 PM, so the closure has been in place for two and a half years.

[Opti]

Aug 6, 2024 11:02:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 6, 2024 10:53:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

interesting development.
Turkiye has enjoyed friendly relations with Russia.

Here is a story about the closure: Turkey Closes Bosphorus, Dardanelles Straits to Warships

The story is dated: FEBRUARY 28, 2022 8:14 PM, so the closure has been in place for two and a half years.

Thought I had vetted it, from Reuters dates and everything.

This is WaPo

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/04/ukraine-f16-fighter-jets-russia-war/

Cannot read it, must be past my free article limit for the month. So freebie news posted on MSN probably needs to go. Maybe I will change my home page to CBS or NBC news.

[billisonboard]

Aug 6, 2024 11:21:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 6, 2024 11:02:06 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Here is a story about the closure: Turkey Closes Bosphorus, Dardanelles Straits to Warships

The story is dated: FEBRUARY 28, 2022 8:14 PM, so the closure has been in place for two and a half years.

Thought I had vetted it, from Reuters dates and everything.

This is WaPo

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/04/ukraine-f16-fighter-jets-russia-war/

Cannot read it, must be past my free article limit for the month. So freebie news posted on MSN probably needs to go. Maybe I will change my home page to CBS or NBC news.

I was just curious about the closure. Thought it noteworthy it wasn't something done as a result of any current event but a long standing closure.

[djAdvocate]

i'm quite familiar with the Bosphorus "closure". i was commenting about the sub sinking. i guess that wasn't entirely clear.

[Opti]

Aug 6, 2024 11:35:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Aug 6, 2024 11:21:50 GMT -5 Opti said:

Thought I had vetted it, from Reuters dates and everything.

This is WaPo

www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/04/ukraine-f16-fighter-jets-russia-war/

Cannot read it, must be past my free article limit for the month. So freebie news posted on MSN probably needs to go. Maybe I will change my home page to CBS or NBC news.

I was just curious about the closure. Thought it noteworthy it wasn't something done as a result of any current event but a long standing closure.

I think it was noteworthy because Turkey had to choose to honor its Nato obligations and hence protection they sought from Russia etc. Or fold and possibly lose support and their NATO membership.

I do think the news in general has reruns from two and three years ago as in the Olympics there is a big contrast from the Olympics held in Tokyo during the Covid lockdowns compared to the Paris Olympics. Also, the Olympics can be used as a cover by various nations to do bad things at the Olympics or against their enemies while eyes are on the games. Its more than possible Biden's job is now to watch the globe and foreign issues while Harris campaigns. 

[billisonboard]

I wasn't familiar with the closure and thought the article I found informative. Since it was new to me, my initial thought reading the OP was that there was a direct connection between the closure and the sinking. I was a bit surprised by the timing of the closure so posted the link for all to read just on the off chance that any of our fellow board readers didn't know either.

[billisonboard]

Aug 6, 2024 11:50:29 GMT -5 Opti said:

Aug 6, 2024 11:35:33 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I was just curious about the closure. Thought it noteworthy it wasn't something done as a result of any current event but a long standing closure.

I think it was noteworthy because Turkey had to choose to honor its Nato obligations and hence protection they sought from Russia etc. Or fold and possibly lose support and their NATO membership.

I do think the news in general has reruns from two and three years ago as in the Olympics there is a big contrast from the Olympics held in Tokyo during the Covid lockdowns compared to the Paris Olympics. Also, the Olympics can be used as a cover by various nations to do bad things at the Olympics or against their enemies while eyes are on the games. Its more than possible Biden's job is now to watch the globe and foreign issues while Harris campaigns. 

The story I posted the link to above referenced this as the source of Turkiye's right for the closure, nothing to do with NATO.

The (Montreux) Convention regarding the Regime of the Straits, often known simply as the Montreux Convention, is an international agreement governing the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits in Turkey. Signed on 20 July 1936 at the Montreux Palace in Switzerland, it went into effect on 9 November 1936, addressing the long running Straits Question over who should control the strategically vital link between the Black and Mediterranean seas. link