Crazy divorce request

[tractor]

Met a friend of mine today who's wealthy by most standards, in his early 70's. His son and former daughter-in-law just got divorced. She was sleeping around on him. Anyway, the DIL tried to sue my friend (her former FIL) for future inheritance her ex would likely inherit once my friend dies, which might not be for 20-25 years...

The judge threw it out, but I couldn't believe that someone would even consider trying something like that.

[schildi]

Jul 12, 2024 20:44:02 GMT -5 tractor said:

Met a friend of mine today who's wealthy by most standards, in his early 70's. His son and former daughter-in-law just got divorced. She was sleeping around on him. Anyway, the DIL tried to sue my friend (her former FIL) for future inheritance her ex would likely inherit once my friend dies, which might not be for 20-25 years...

The judge threw it out, but I couldn't believe that someone would even consider trying something like that.

Wow, that's crazy! Hope she has a good sized lawyer bill to pay!
What kind of wealth are we talking about? A few million, tens of millions?

[souldoubt]

I thought inheritances were considered separate property and as long as they aren't mixed with marital assets the party not receiving the inheritance has no right to those assets but I could be wrong or perhaps it varies by states.  Regardless it would never dawn on me to go after something my wife inherited let alone trying to sue for a future inheritance she could receive. 

[Opti]

Jul 12, 2024 20:44:02 GMT -5 tractor said:

Met a friend of mine today who's wealthy by most standards, in his early 70's. His son and former daughter-in-law just got divorced. She was sleeping around on him. Anyway, the DIL tried to sue my friend (her former FIL) for future inheritance her ex would likely inherit once my friend dies, which might not be for 20-25 years...

The judge threw it out, but I couldn't believe that someone would even consider trying something like that.

Do they have kids? Is she worried about the son cutting off one or more of the kids in the future? While it does happen the way you slant it up there, usually the man starts having affairs and then the fed up wife does so as well. One really never knows what was promised behind closed doors.

Personally ID know why it matters. You can ask for lots of things in a court of law, does not mean you will get them. Personally I wonder what the son did that he hasn't shared with your friend. Did he promise his dad's wealth to be shared with his wife on many occasions. Did he use it as a stick and a carrot? IDK. 

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 0:08:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 12, 2024 20:44:02 GMT -5 tractor said:

Met a friend of mine today who's wealthy by most standards, in his early 70's. His son and former daughter-in-law just got divorced. She was sleeping around on him. Anyway, the DIL tried to sue my friend (her former FIL) for future inheritance her ex would likely inherit once my friend dies, which might not be for 20-25 years...

The judge threw it out, but I couldn't believe that someone would even consider trying something like that.

Do they have kids? Is she worried about the son cutting off one or more of the kids in the future? While it does happen the way you slant it up there, usually the man starts having affairs and then the fed up wife does so as well. One really never knows what was promised behind closed doors.

Personally ID know why it matters. You can ask for lots of things in a court of law, does not mean you will get them. Personally I wonder what the son did that he hasn't shared with your friend. Did he promise his dad's wealth to be shared with his wife on many occasions. Did he use it as a stick and a carrot? IDK. 

Yeah, the guy might cut of the kids.
Yeah, the guy might have had the first affair.
Yeah the guy might have lied to his father,
Yeah, the guy might have made promises.
Yeah, the guy might have held it over the now ex-wife's head.
Yeah, the guy might have been leading a secret double life as a Russian spy.
Yeah, the guy might be a lizard person.

There is no end to the ways the guy might be the bad guy in this story. 

[Opti]

Jul 13, 2024 11:30:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 13, 2024 0:08:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

Do they have kids? Is she worried about the son cutting off one or more of the kids in the future? While it does happen the way you slant it up there, usually the man starts having affairs and then the fed up wife does so as well. One really never knows what was promised behind closed doors.

Personally ID know why it matters. You can ask for lots of things in a court of law, does not mean you will get them. Personally I wonder what the son did that he hasn't shared with your friend. Did he promise his dad's wealth to be shared with his wife on many occasions. Did he use it as a stick and a carrot? IDK. 

Yeah, the guy might cut of the kids.
Yeah, the guy might have had the first affair.
Yeah the guy might have lied to his father,
Yeah, the guy might have made promises.
Yeah, the guy might have held it over the now ex-wife's head.
Yeah, the guy might have been leading a secret double life as a Russian spy.
Yeah, the guy might be a lizard person.

There is no end to the ways the guy might be the bad guy in this story. 

They might both be jerks for various reasons was what I was hinting at. Tractor doesn't know and neither do I. If she was a stay at home mom because he wanted her to be, the odds of the son promising part of dad's money to her increase dramatically.

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 11:51:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 13, 2024 11:30:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yeah, the guy might cut of the kids.
Yeah, the guy might have had the first affair.
Yeah the guy might have lied to his father,
Yeah, the guy might have made promises.
Yeah, the guy might have held it over the now ex-wife's head.
Yeah, the guy might have been leading a secret double life as a Russian spy.
Yeah, the guy might be a lizard person.

There is no end to the ways the guy might be the bad guy in this story. 

They might both be jerks for various reasons was what I was hinting at. Tractor doesn't know and neither do I. If she was a stay at home mom because he wanted her to be, the odds of the son promising part of dad's money to her increase dramatically.

Yeah, the guy might have pressured her into being a stay at home mom.

Like I said, there is no end to the ways the guy might be the bad guy.

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 13, 2024 11:51:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 13, 2024 11:30:23 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Yeah, the guy might cut of the kids.
Yeah, the guy might have had the first affair.
Yeah the guy might have lied to his father,
Yeah, the guy might have made promises.
Yeah, the guy might have held it over the now ex-wife's head.
Yeah, the guy might have been leading a secret double life as a Russian spy.
Yeah, the guy might be a lizard person.

There is no end to the ways the guy might be the bad guy in this story. 

They might both be jerks for various reasons was what I was hinting at. Tractor doesn't know and neither do I. If she was a stay at home mom because he wanted her to be, the odds of the son promising part of dad's money to her increase dramatically.

It doesn’t matter what he did or what he promised. She has no right to her former in laws money while they are still alive. Any other claim is ridiculous. Once they are divorced she is no longer related. What she is entitled to is 50% of the marital assets. That’s it. The fact that she feels entitled to anything more makes her the bad guy in this story

[MN-Investor]

The only way I could see this lawsuit being successful would be if the woman had a written contract with her father-in-law for this money. Sort of a pre-nup with the FIL as an inducement for her to marry the FIL's son.

[Opti]

Jul 13, 2024 12:47:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 13, 2024 11:51:02 GMT -5 Opti said:

They might both be jerks for various reasons was what I was hinting at. Tractor doesn't know and neither do I. If she was a stay at home mom because he wanted her to be, the odds of the son promising part of dad's money to her increase dramatically.

It doesn’t matter what he did or what he promised. She has no right to her former in laws money while they are still alive. Any other claim is ridiculous. Once they are divorced she is no longer related. What she is entitled to is 50% of the marital assets. That’s it. The fact that she feels entitled to anything more makes her the bad guy in this story

In your opinion. I'm divorced. Are you? She requested it and the judge shot it down. If it was in the initial request to the judge and there were no further rulings it might have taken less than 5 minutes of the court's time. My theory is it's OK to ask. Just try to be OK with what the answer is. I'm not big on the OMG they asked what crap. That's white evangelical territory. Do you really want to be that judgmental person without even knowing most of the basic facts of the divorce filing?

Shakes head. 
#white male privilege
#rememberjohnedwards

[Opti]

PMD, it may be what you and Tractor think it is. It may not, you'd have to read the divorce filing IMO to perhaps understand the reality of the request etc. 

Here's the thing I hate about current US society especially since Trump.

If its a woman, assumed guilty before the facts are in
If its a man, oh he must have a reason for doing that ...

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 13, 2024 13:45:29 GMT -5 Opti said:

PMD, it may be what you and Tractor think it is. It may not, you'd have to read the divorce filing IMO to perhaps understand the reality of the request etc. 

Here's the thing I hate about current US society especially since Trump.

If its a woman, assumed guilty before the facts are in
If its a man, oh he must have a reason for doing that ...

No, there are not 2 sides to this. It doesn’t matter what the husband promised. It wasn’t his money. The parents may have promised the moon and the stars, but they are allowed to change their minds if circumstances change. If the parents lost it all in the stock market, are they still going to be held to the promise? IT ISNT HER MONEY. No other facts are needed to understand this. As someone else said, absent a contract, she had no case. I understand that men are always wrong in these cases in your opinion, but that doesn’t change the facts. She was entitled.

I can promise my kids and their significant others all of my money, but it doesn’t mean they have a right to it

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 13, 2024 13:38:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 13, 2024 12:47:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It doesn’t matter what he did or what he promised. She has no right to her former in laws money while they are still alive. Any other claim is ridiculous. Once they are divorced she is no longer related. What she is entitled to is 50% of the marital assets. That’s it. The fact that she feels entitled to anything more makes her the bad guy in this story

In your opinion. I'm divorced. Are you? She requested it and the judge shot it down. If it was in the initial request to the judge and there were no further rulings it might have taken less than 5 minutes of the court's time. My theory is it's OK to ask. Just try to be OK with what the answer is. I'm not big on the OMG they asked what crap. That's white evangelical territory. Do you really want to be that judgmental person without even knowing most of the basic facts of the divorce filing?

Shakes head. 
#white male privilege
#rememberjohnedwards

Whether I am divorced or not is irrelevant. Her former husband does not have the money, it is his parents. What right does she have to the money. Again, unless there is a written contract, her claim is ludicrous

[NoNamePerson]

DAMN double DAMN that never crossed my mind. If my attorney wasn’t dead I would sue him for not thinking of this 42 years ago.      Ok I’ll crawl back under the bed with my quart of OJ and gallon of vodka. 

[Pink Cashmere]

Jul 13, 2024 14:44:26 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Jul 13, 2024 13:38:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

In your opinion. I'm divorced. Are you? She requested it and the judge shot it down. If it was in the initial request to the judge and there were no further rulings it might have taken less than 5 minutes of the court's time. My theory is it's OK to ask. Just try to be OK with what the answer is. I'm not big on the OMG they asked what crap. That's white evangelical territory. Do you really want to be that judgmental person without even knowing most of the basic facts of the divorce filing?

Shakes head. 
#white male privilege
#rememberjohnedwards

Whether I am divorced or not is irrelevant. Her former husband does not have the money, it is his parents. What right does she have to the money. Again, unless there is a written contract, her claim is ludicrous

I am divorced. I agree that it’s crazy for her to even think to make the request.

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 14:58:04 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

DAMN double DAMN that never crossed my mind. If my attorney wasn’t dead I would sue him for not thinking of this 42 years ag.     Ok I’ll crawl back under the bed with my quart of OJ and gallon of vodka. 

Triple DAMN. Not that any of my ex-inlaws were wealthy but I could have gotten some serious beer money.

EDIT: and i certainly needed and earned it after being married to their sweet little darling

[Rukh O'Rorke]

I'm surprised it even made it to a judge. Even if the friend died when they were married, inheritance can be considered separate property if not comingled.

That the FIL was alive, and might leave son nothing if there was a falling out or funds used for expensive health care and long term nursing care, makes it bonkers.

[NoNamePerson]

Jul 13, 2024 15:09:25 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 13, 2024 14:58:04 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

DAMN double DAMN that never crossed my mind. If my attorney wasn’t dead I would sue him for not thinking of this 42 years ag.     Ok I’ll crawl back under the bed with my quart of OJ and gallon of vodka. 

Triple DAMN. Not that any of my ex-inlaws were wealthy but I could have gotten some serious beer money.

EDIT: and i certainly needed and earned it after being married to their sweet little darling

Well, my EXIL were not Bill Gates wealthy but when both finally passed away my EX and his sisters probably inherited close to 4 million cash each and then proceeds from beach house on West Panama City Beach, on gulf, plus big ass home and I don't know how many rental properties. But I wouldn't have stayed especially since I don't think you can inherit if you commit murder.  My EXMIL called me after EX second marriage and wanted me to give my diamond engagement ring back.  I told her she could have it back for $20,000. She said it wasn't worth that much. I said it was to me. I earned it!! I was so tempted to replace it with a zircon (think that is what it is called) and just out of the goodness of my heart send my "diamond" back to her.  But my EX was/is a good person so I'm not throwing off on him "too much" I wasn't the easiest person to live with for 18 yrs! No regrets on this end. Ok end of my saga!!   Oh this is the same MIL who offered me $20,000 to divorce her baby. I told her $20,000 wouldn't get me to the curb!

[djAdvocate]

some people are just bafflingly lazy and greedy.

and it doesn't even seem to bother (some) people, any more.

i don't get it.

[NastyWoman]

Jul 13, 2024 13:38:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 13, 2024 12:47:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It doesn’t matter what he did or what he promised. She has no right to her former in laws money while they are still alive. Any other claim is ridiculous. Once they are divorced she is no longer related. What she is entitled to is 50% of the marital assets. That’s it. The fact that she feels entitled to anything more makes her the bad guy in this story

In your opinion. I'm divorced. Are you? She requested it and the judge shot it down. If it was in the initial request to the judge and there were no further rulings it might have taken less than 5 minutes of the court's time. My theory is it's OK to ask. Just try to be OK with what the answer is. I'm not big on the OMG they asked what crap. That's white evangelical territory. Do you really want to be that judgmental person without even knowing most of the basic facts of the divorce filing?

Shakes head. 
#white male privilege
#rememberjohnedwards

Yes am but I am wondering what planet you are from! I am going to watch MIB1 to see if you show up on that alien tracking board.

Really, what makes you think this is even remotely reasonable under any circumstances?
#"white" but definitely not male
#I don't care about john edwards
#need to stop shaking my head before it comes off 

[tractor]

Jul 12, 2024 21:31:12 GMT -5 schildi said:

Jul 12, 2024 20:44:02 GMT -5 tractor said:

Met a friend of mine today who's wealthy by most standards, in his early 70's. His son and former daughter-in-law just got divorced. She was sleeping around on him. Anyway, the DIL tried to sue my friend (her former FIL) for future inheritance her ex would likely inherit once my friend dies, which might not be for 20-25 years...

The judge threw it out, but I couldn't believe that someone would even consider trying something like that.

Wow, that's crazy! Hope she has a good sized lawyer bill to pay!
What kind of wealth are we talking about? A few million, tens of millions?

Just under 1 mil, so not a lot, but he's comfortable. Currently has farm listed for 800K, so that will add to his retirement.

[tractor]

Jul 13, 2024 0:08:58 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 12, 2024 20:44:02 GMT -5 tractor said:

Met a friend of mine today who's wealthy by most standards, in his early 70's. His son and former daughter-in-law just got divorced. She was sleeping around on him. Anyway, the DIL tried to sue my friend (her former FIL) for future inheritance her ex would likely inherit once my friend dies, which might not be for 20-25 years...

The judge threw it out, but I couldn't believe that someone would even consider trying something like that.

Do they have kids? Is she worried about the son cutting off one or more of the kids in the future? While it does happen the way you slant it up there, usually the man starts having affairs and then the fed up wife does so as well. One really never knows what was promised behind closed doors.

Personally ID know why it matters. You can ask for lots of things in a court of law, does not mean you will get them. Personally I wonder what the son did that he hasn't shared with your friend. Did he promise his dad's wealth to be shared with his wife on many occasions. Did he use it as a stick and a carrot? IDK. 

The son did nothing but have a stroke 5-years ago (at 42), and she didn't want to stay married to a cripple. 😢

[Opti]

Jul 13, 2024 14:58:04 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

DAMN double DAMN that never crossed my mind. If my attorney wasn’t dead I would sue him for not thinking of this 42 years ag.     Ok I’ll crawl back under the bed with my quart of OJ and gallon of vodka. 

Seriously its unimportant unless she actually won it in a judgment.

I remember when a change in terms came down in a Bloomingdales CC, I read the insert and realized some woman and probably her rich husband sued Bloomingdales and got some good money out of it as a settlement. There was a six month period that if you the card holder had a similar issue, you could use the loophole the woman's lawyer did otherwise you were opted into the new terms.

But yes I have been promised legacy money and lots of men in this area hint at it to snag a woman. Mine used me as a wallet for some serious money promising that it all would come back to you once we are married ...  I am mad at myself for being so stupid and gullible but those lessons that cost you thousands of dollars are pretty memorable. FWIW YMMV.

(Movie homework - Crazy Rich Asians, and scads of movies produced in India) I would love for the second film which I think is the second book to come out soon. Visually, it helped to see that very large carp, because while reading I wondered how big is this fish anyway?

[Opti]

Jul 13, 2024 15:38:24 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Jul 13, 2024 15:09:25 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Triple DAMN. Not that any of my ex-inlaws were wealthy but I could have gotten some serious beer money.

EDIT: and i certainly needed and earned it after being married to their sweet little darling

Well, my EXIL were not Bill Gates wealthy but when both finally passed away my EX and his sisters probably inherited close to 4 million cash each and then proceeds from beach house on West Panama City Beach, on gulf, plus big ass home and I don't know how many rental properties. But I wouldn't have stayed especially since I don't think you can inherit if you commit murder.  My EXMIL called me after EX second marriage and wanted me to give my diamond engagement ring back.  I told her she could have it back for $20,000. She said it wasn't worth that much. I said it was to me. I earned it!! I was so tempted to replace it with a zircon (think that is what it is called) and just out of the goodness of my heart send my "diamond" back to her.  But my EX was/is a good person so I'm not throwing off on him "too much" I wasn't the easiest person to live with for 18 yrs! No regrets on this end. Ok end of my saga!!   Oh this is the same MIL who offered me $20,000 to divorce her baby. I told her $20,000 wouldn't get me to the curb!

  I was encouraged to put up with some less than stellar behavior, and glad that I was never in that position. I came from hardscrabble farming folks. I'd rather walk away than take a certain amount of BS. Sometimes I wish I was as goodlooking as I was then, but I'd rather have the hard-won wisdom and well-earned discernment. Sister D almost married into serious money but decided to go older and with a man she was more herself with. I think it was the right choice. 

P.S. Sometimes I like her husband way more than I like her. 

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 16:13:25 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 13, 2024 14:58:04 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

DAMN double DAMN that never crossed my mind. If my attorney wasn’t dead I would sue him for not thinking of this 42 years ag.     Ok I’ll crawl back under the bed with my quart of OJ and gallon of vodka. 

Seriously its unimportant unless she actually won it in a judgment.

I remember when a change in terms came down in a Bloomingdales CC, I read the insert and realized some woman and probably her rich husband sued Bloomingdales and got some good money out of it as a settlement. There was a six month period that if you the card holder had a similar issue, you could use the loophole the woman's lawyer did otherwise you were opted into the new terms.

But yes I have been promised legacy money and lots of men in this area hint at it to snag a woman. Mine used me as a wallet for some serious money promising that it all would come back to you once we are married ...  I am mad at myself for being so stupid and gullible but those lessons that cost you thousands of dollars are pretty memorable. FWIW YMMV.

(Movie homework - Crazy Rich Asians, and scads of movies produced in India) I would love for the second film which I think is the second book to come out soon. Visually, it helped to see that very large carp, because while reading I wondered how big is this fish anyway?

"We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it and stop there lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove lid. She will never sit down on a hot stove lid again and that is well but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.”
― Mark Twain

[TheOtherMe]

Jul 13, 2024 13:38:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jul 13, 2024 12:47:13 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Shakes head. 
#white male privilege
#rememberjohnedwards

WTF does this mean or having anything to do with this topic?

[pulmonarymd]

Jul 13, 2024 18:15:01 GMT -5 TheOtherMe said:

Jul 13, 2024 13:38:36 GMT -5 Opti said:

Shakes head. 
#white male privilege
#rememberjohnedwards

WTF does this mean or having anything to do with this topic?

It’s obviously the mans fault

[swamp]

People be crazy. 

I used to do divorces until I just couldn’t take it anymore.  Some of the things people wanted me to ask for make this request look Sane 

[Tiny]

What if the husband is a "trust fund baby" and doesn't have much in the way of "w2 income" but they live a 500K a year lifestyle (thanks to his trust fund)? Maybe trust fund isn't the right thing... basically the husband's "income" is money from his parents. If the Father In Law is 70... the son is maybe 40ish... We don't know all the facts. Are there kids involved? How long was the couple married (the now Ex-wife might not have worked and neither did her husband - so not even future SS)?

Ok, yeah it seems like a crazy request... but we don't know all the facts.

[billisonboard]

Jul 13, 2024 20:00:59 GMT -5 Tiny said:

What if the husband is a "trust fund baby" and doesn't have much in the way of "w2 income" but they live a 500K a year lifestyle (thanks to his trust fund)? Maybe trust fund isn't the right thing... basically the husband's "income" is money from his parents. If the Father In Law is 70... the son is maybe 40ish... We don't know all the facts. Are there kids involved? How long was the couple married (the now Ex-wife might not have worked and neither did her husband - so not even future SS)?

Ok, yeah it seems like a crazy request... but we don't know all the facts.

So if I am an adult living off another person who has no legal obligation to support me, I should be able to force that person to continue to support me?