Biden signs executive order on southern border

[mollyanna58]

I dislike governing by executive order. I didn't like it when Trump and Obama did it, and still don't. It bypasses Congress.  But Congress had its chance to act on border reform, and chose not to because Trump didn't want it.



Facing mounting political pressure over the migrant influx at the U.S. southern border, President Joe Biden on Tuesday signed an executive order that will temporarily shut down asylum requests once the average number of daily encounters tops 2,500 between official ports of entry, according to a senior administration official.

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In a written statement, Donald Trump campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavett claimed that exception would give a “green light to child traffickers and sex traffickers” while reiterating the former president’s rallying cry that “the border invasion and migrant crime will not stop until Crooked Joe Biden is deported from the White House.”



Republican lawmakers are slamming the move as too little, too late.

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But the White House has repeatedly argued that it was congressional Republicans who have failed to act on immigration. Earlier this year, Trump urged House GOP members to kill a bipartisan border funding bill that had been negotiated in the Senate.

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[Opti]

So that's how he sees it? Trump was deported from the WH when he lost? 
Strange and crappy marketing.

[pulmonarymd]

The republicans in Congress who are complaining seem to forget that their job is to pass laws. If they don’t like what Biden did, they can get to work and pass something in the house. But they would rather complain than to try to do something. If they do something, then they have to defend it, and that requires to much work and responsibility.

They also forget that executive actions are temporary whereas laws have a permanent to them. But they are republicans. We shouldn’t expect critical thinking from them

[chiver78]

Jun 4, 2024 15:36:46 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

The republicans in Congress who are complaining seem to forget that their job is to pass laws. If they don’t like what Biden did, they can get to work and pass something in the house. But they would rather complain than to try to do something. If they do something, then they have to defend it, and that requires to much work and responsibility.

They also forget that executive actions are temporary whereas laws have a permanent to them. But they are republicans. We shouldn’t expect critical thinking from them

  as for the rest, " If they don’t like what Biden did, they can get to work and pass something in the house. But they would rather complain than to try to do something. If they do something, then they have to defend it, and that requires to much work and responsibility." just replace Biden with Obama and it's the ACA all over again. nevermind that the groundwork for the ACA was made by the Republican then-Gov of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney. they didn't care b/c it didn't interfere with their grandstanding to their own constituents, and then insult was added to injury b/c the black guy put it into place.  

[ken a.k.a OMK]

They have said they don't want to solve any problems while Biden is president. When Obama was president McConnell wouldn't allow voting on any issue that would make him (Obama) look good and vowed to make him a one term president.  

[ripvanwinkle]

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do a executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

[Tennesseer]

Jun 4, 2024 21:42:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do a executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

You still have not answered why trump told the Republicans in Congress not to pass the bipartisan senate border bill in January.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Because he was waiting for Congress to to their job. Does Biden have to do everything now that the gop won't govern?

[pulmonarymd]

Jun 4, 2024 21:42:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do an executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

Republicans have bitched about the border for years. Why haven’t they passed a bill to deal with it.

Congress dealing with things like this is how our government is supposed to work. Didn’t republicans complain about the all the executive orders under Obama. Instead they do nothing but hold hearings about nothing, except for MTG to show us how unfit she is to be in Congress. So what is it, executive orders are good or bad? Maybe if the House wanted to actually do its job instead of be a laughingstock do nothing Congress, something effective could be passed

[Tennesseer]

Jun 4, 2024 21:42:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do a executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

By the ways you always come across as confused because you do little to no research of your own before entering the conversation.

[ripvanwinkle]

Jun 4, 2024 22:03:00 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jun 4, 2024 21:42:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do a executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

By the ways you always come across as confused because you do little to no research of your own before entering the conversation.

Oh, I'm sorry. that was all sarcasm. It seemed evident.

[Tennesseer]

Jun 4, 2024 22:34:48 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

Jun 4, 2024 22:03:00 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

By the ways you always come across as confused because you do little to no research of your own before entering the conversation.

Oh, I'm sorry. that was all sarcasm. It seemed evident.

Evident you are always confused? Yes. It is evident.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 4, 2024 21:42:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do a executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

yep.  he said that.  and there is a very good chance that this will be challenged and overturned, because it is not the purview of the president.

congress is supposed to deal with this issue.

[bean29]

Jun 5, 2024 2:22:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 4, 2024 21:42:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do a executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

yep.  he said that.  and there is a very good chance that this will be challenged and overturned, because it is not the purview of the president.

congress is supposed to deal with this issue.

I am pretty sure I read yesterday that the EO was similar to the one that Trump put in place during his presidency, (eta, and Trump's EO was overturned by the Supreme Court) so I am thinking that President Biden did this to shut up the Republicans claiming he could do something, and he did not do it.  It is up to Congress to enact a law regarding immigration. Maybe if they get to work, they can have it in place in time to campaign on what they have done for America during their last term.

[tallguy]

Jun 5, 2024 2:22:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jun 4, 2024 21:42:06 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

But but wait...I'm confused. Didn't Biden say a while back he didn't have the power to do a executive order to close the border and now suddenly he found out he could?? Seems very strange that he did this only 5 months before the election and just before the debate. Why didn't he do it 3yrs ago?

yep.  he said that.  and there is a very good chance that this will be challenged and overturned, because it is not the purview of the president.

congress is supposed to deal with this issue.

And Biden is probably expecting it to be challenged and overturned.  That will ensure that the responsibility is placed back on Congress, and also take away a huge GOP talking point for the election.  Smart move.

It's the same reason that conservatives take court cases nowadays that they don't necessarily think they can win locally.  The objective is to get it in front of the Supreme Court and hope that the right-wing justices will give them an even larger victory than they would have gotten if they had won in the first place. 

[djAdvocate]

Jun 5, 2024 10:59:42 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Jun 5, 2024 2:22:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

yep.  he said that.  and there is a very good chance that this will be challenged and overturned, because it is not the purview of the president.

congress is supposed to deal with this issue.

I am pretty sure I read yesterday that the EO was similar to the one that Trump put in place during his presidency, (eta, and Trump's EO was overturned by the Supreme Court) so I am thinking that President Biden did this to shut up the Republicans claiming he could do something, and he did not do it.  It is up to Congress to enact a law regarding immigration. Maybe if they get to work, they can have it in place in time to campaign on what they have done for America during their last term.

Trump didn't need the EO.  he had Title 42.  but when Title 42 expired..... we ended up with this pent-up problem.

i agree with your second point.  he had to do something.

[djAdvocate]

NOTE: the problem with the EO is that it is an unfunded mandate.

[djAdvocate]

Jun 5, 2024 16:45:32 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Jun 5, 2024 2:22:21 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

yep.  he said that.  and there is a very good chance that this will be challenged and overturned, because it is not the purview of the president.

congress is supposed to deal with this issue.

And Biden is probably expecting it to be challenged and overturned.  That will ensure that the responsibility is placed back on Congress, and also take away a huge GOP talking point for the election.  Smart move.

It's the same reason that conservatives take court cases nowadays that they don't necessarily think they can win locally.  The objective is to get it in front of the Supreme Court and hope that the right-wing justices will give them an even larger victory than they would have gotten if they had won in the first place. 

i hope he structured it as weakly and contestable as possible, for this reason.