Trump Received Millions From Foreign Governments as Presiden

[Opti]

Trump Received Millions From Foreign Governments as President, report finds.

This is NY Times article that I was able to read the other day only because MSN promoted it. Have no idea if it is still readable
by nonsubscribers. This surprises me not at all including the fact that China was the biggest donor/mark/influencer in American politics. I am curious what other posters think and what you feel about other parts of the article if you can read it.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-received-millions-from-foreign-governments-as-president-report-finds/ar-AA1msTMC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=46dfd703606e42c8bda42e07f4373362&ei=30

WASHINGTON — Donald J. Trump’s businesses received at least $7.8 million from 20 foreign governments during his presidency, according to new documents released by House Democrats on Thursday that show how much he received from overseas transactions while he was in the White House, most of it from China.

The transactions, detailed in a 156-page report called “White House For Sale” that was produced by Democrats on the House Oversight Committee, offer concrete evidence that the former president engaged in the kind of conduct that House Republicans have labored, so far unsuccessfully, to prove that President Biden did as they work to build an impeachment case against him.

”By elevating his personal financial interests and the policy priorities of corrupt foreign powers over the American public interest, former President Trump violated both the clear commands of the Constitution and the careful precedent set and observed by every previous commander in chief,” Representative Jamie Raskin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the Oversight Committee, wrote in a foreword to the report.



Among the countries patronizing Mr. Trump’s properties, China made the largest total payment — $5.5 million — to his business interests, the report found. Those payments included millions of dollars from China’s Embassy in the United States, the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China and the Hainan Airlines Holding Company.

[Tennesseer]

And his son-in-law received $2 billion from Saudi Arabia.

[happyhoix]

Well, none of this matters compared to what Hunter did, or so MAGA would say.

Trump and Jared are just good business men. The Biden’s are a criminal syndicate.

🙄

[ripvanwinkle]

That's a interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

[billisonboard]

Jan 5, 2024 23:24:30 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

That's a interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

No, he didn't really. Trump asks public for blind trust

[djAdvocate]

Jan 5, 2024 23:24:30 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

That's a interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

not really.

the gold standard for this is what is called a BLIND TRUST.
what that means is that some unrelated third party runs your business while you do your thing.  

the other alternative would be that you can sell all of your assets.  there have been people fare more prudent than Trump that have done exactly that.

what Trump did is maintain interest in his business but take himself out of the driver seat.  and that did nothing, because he still profited from what is being reported.  bigly.

[Opti]

Jan 5, 2024 23:24:30 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

That's a interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? NO He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

He did profit, as did his three eldest children.

Various scandals include the mishandling of inauguration funds which both Trump and Melania tried to pin on someone else that worked for them.

China gave him more money than any other politician possibly ever to date. And that state visit to China included a personal beg for Ivanka and her factories in China. Plus he insured she picked up patents on voting machines in China. On official funded US federal business!

He says he gave more back to the US treasury than what he profited, but the proof is all the other way. A $400K yearly salary does not cover much at the level of grift he has done. He overcharged for accommodations at his golf courses and clubs for Secret Service who had to accompany him. This should be old news to anyone who has followed legit mainstream media.

[tallguy]

Jan 6, 2024 7:22:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 5, 2024 23:24:30 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

That's a interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? NO He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

He did profit, as did his three eldest children.

Various scandals include the mishandling of inauguration funds which both Trump and Melania tried to pin on someone else that worked for them.

China gave him more money than any other politician possibly ever to date. And that state visit to China included a personal beg for Ivanka and her factories in China. Plus he insured she picked up patents on voting machines in China. On official funded US federal business!

He says he gave more back to the US treasury than what he profited, but the proof is all the other way. A $400K yearly salary does not cover much at the level of grift he has done. He overcharged for accommodations at his golf courses and clubs for Secret Service who had to accompany him. This should be old news to anyone who has followed legit mainstream media.

Yes, but look who you're talking to....

[happyhoix]

Jan 6, 2024 7:22:00 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 5, 2024 23:24:30 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

That's a interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? NO He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

He did profit, as did his three eldest children.

Various scandals include the mishandling of inauguration funds which both Trump and Melania tried to pin on someone else that worked for them.

China gave him more money than any other politician possibly ever to date. And that state visit to China included a personal beg for Ivanka and her factories in China. Plus he insured she picked up patents on voting machines in China. On official funded US federal business!

He says he gave more back to the US treasury than what he profited, but the proof is all the other way. A $400K yearly salary does not cover much at the level of grift he has done. He overcharged for accommodations at his golf courses and clubs for Secret Service who had to accompany him. This should be old news to anyone who has followed legit mainstream media.

And this report is limited to just a small amount of the grift - there is most likely a lot more grift that will take more digging and more public records requests to find. For instance, several years back I read an article about how the Air Force flies planes through Scotland on the way home to the US, laying over at a Scottish airport. The air crews would get X amount of money from the government to stay at a local hotel and eat at local restaurants. However, when Trump became president, the crews were told they had to stay over at the Trump golf course resort hotel, so they had to get a ride out of town to the resort. For meals, they either had to pay extra out of their own pockets (the food at the resort exceeded their daily stipend) or they had to get another ride back to town where they could get more affordable meals. 

Then there was the grift where the Trumps charged the SS tons of money to rent space at Trump Tower for the SS officers to have a base when Trump was there. The SS ended up renting RVs and parking them on the street to try to save money. (Why didn’t Trump give them free space - or reduced price space? Because he’s Trump). They also over charged the SS for golf cart rental when Trump was visiting any of his golf courses.  We’ll never know all the little ways of sucking money from the taxpayers that the Trump clan came up with, while they were in the WH. 

[happyhoix]

Jan 5, 2024 23:24:30 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

That's an interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

I don’t think it’s a requirement for a president to do this, but all the modern presidents have done it - either put their business in a blind trust while they’re president, or sell it. This is so it won’t seem like the president is making business deals on the side. 

Trump made a big show of stacking up reams of paper that he claimed were transferring control of his business from himself to his kids. I don’t know if the paperwork was real or not, but there were many instances of Trump’s family profiting from his time in the WH. 

[Opti]

Jan 6, 2024 10:04:43 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jan 5, 2024 23:24:30 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

That's an interesting read but didn't Trump divest his interests in the properties when he became President to his kids? He did not profit but his corporation did. Don't all politicians do that?

I don’t think it’s a requirement for a president to do this, but all the modern presidents have done it - either put their business in a blind trust while they’re president, or sell it. This is so it won’t seem like the president is making business deals on the side. 

Trump made a big show of stacking up reams of paper that he claimed were transferring control of his business from himself to his kids. I don’t know if the paperwork was real or not, but there were many instances of Trump’s family profiting from his time in the WH. 

I'd go with 99.999% likely it was his showman's use of blank or paper printed with unimportant stuff on it. Remember the stack of blank papers he signed while at Walter Reed simply because he wanted to appear that he was hard at work? 

I think its not a codified law if President's do not follow convention, i.e. there is no penalty put into law. Maybe that can be fixed now while Biden is in office and the rabid think they wil catch him doing something even a tenth as bad as what Trump has already done.

[djAdvocate]

Jan 6, 2024 13:57:27 GMT -5 Opti said:

Jan 6, 2024 10:04:43 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I don’t think it’s a requirement for a president to do this, but all the modern presidents have done it - either put their business in a blind trust while they’re president, or sell it. This is so it won’t seem like the president is making business deals on the side. 

Trump made a big show of stacking up reams of paper that he claimed were transferring control of his business from himself to his kids. I don’t know if the paperwork was real or not, but there were many instances of Trump’s family profiting from his time in the WH. 

I'd go with 99.999% likely it was his showman's use of blank or paper printed with unimportant stuff on it. Remember the stack of blank papers he signed while at Walter Reed simply because he wanted to appear that he was hard at work? 

I think its not a codified law if President's do not follow convention, i.e. there is no penalty put into law. Maybe that can be fixed now while Biden is in office and the rabid think they wil catch him doing something even a tenth as bad as what Trump has already done.

either that, or Top Secret Documents that he could read in the WH toilet.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Jan 6, 2024 15:19:30 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jan 6, 2024 13:57:27 GMT -5 Opti said:

I'd go with 99.999% likely it was his showman's use of blank or paper printed with unimportant stuff on it. Remember the stack of blank papers he signed while at Walter Reed simply because he wanted to appear that he was hard at work? 

I think its not a codified law if President's do not follow convention, i.e. there is no penalty put into law. Maybe that can be fixed now while Biden is in office and the rabid think they wil catch him doing something even a tenth as bad as what Trump has already done.

either that, or Top Secret Documents that he could read in the WH toilet. publicly in the Mar A Lago dining room.

Fixed

[ripvanwinkle]

The Trump organization may be crooked but at least it is a business. Unlike the Biden family that has 20 shell companies that does not provide any product or services other than to move money around to other Biden family members.  

[happyhoix]

Jan 6, 2024 23:35:58 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

The Trump organization may be crooked but at least it is a business. Unlike the Biden family that has 20 shell companies that does not provide any product or services other than to move money around to other Biden family members.  

Umm, yeah the Biden’s might have 20 shell companies, but according to this article from after the 2016 election, Trump had 500, most of them not apparently doing anything.

www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/donald-trump-business-empire/

Does that make you think the Trumps are criminals too, is that just normal for business men.

[Tennesseer]

Jan 6, 2024 23:35:58 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

The Trump organization may be crooked but at least it is a business. Unlike the Biden family that has 20 shell companies that does not provide any product or services other than to move money around to other Biden family members.  

Not again.

[Tennesseer]

Okay, Can We Care About the Emoluments Clause Now?

Before they debated taking the 14th Amendment at its word, the political elite—and, ultimately, the courts—decided that the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution didn't really mean what it says. Everybody from Washington to Riyadh to Beijing knew the former president* and his family were coining the presidency into cash, which was completely in conflict with the provision in Article I of the Constitution, which states, quite clearly:

“[No Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under [the United States], shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”

In the words of the Congressional Research Service, the purpose of the clause was,

"to prevent corruption and limit foreign influence on federal officers. The Clause grew out of the Framers’ experience with the European custom of gift-giving to foreign diplomats, which the Articles of Confederation prohibited. Following that precedent, the Foreign Emoluments Clause prohibits federal officers from accepting foreign emoluments without congressional consent. The purpose of the Domestic Emoluments Clause is to preserve the President’s independence."

On Thursday, the Democratic minority on the House Oversight Committee released a 156-page report detailing precisely how the former president* put his office up for sale during the four years of his tenure in office. Suffice it to say that, if the committee's Republicans had this kind of evidence on Hunter Biden, Congressman Jim Comer already would have asked for an appropriation to fire Hunter Biden into the sun. From The New York Times:

Rest of article here:  Okay, Can We Care About the Emoluments Clause Now?

[Opti]

Jan 7, 2024 0:16:19 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Jan 6, 2024 23:35:58 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

The Trump organization may be crooked but at least it is a business. Unlike the Biden family that has 20 shell companies that does not provide any product or services other than to move money around to other Biden family members.  

Not again.

I don't think Biden has a side business. (Joe) So the grifting propaganda is wrong when I read it. Gotti and other mob families had businesses too. Often sanitation in addition to illegal businesses like drugs, prostitution, money laundering etc. Actually, if you do money laundering or similar types of grift you need legit businesses to channel the ill-gotten funds through it in an attempt to hide the actual origin of the money.

Rip, what you reposted only makes it obvious to me Trump has had a long time to plan how to grift, cheat and steal and has gotten very good at it. Unfortunately for him, pretending the Presidency will shield him from prosecution for his crimes has stopped working. He's showed the world his playbook over and over. I don't think he will escape even if he sacrifices Eric Trump as most late night comedians and pundits expect. FWIW many late-night comedians are active in politics. Jon Stewart retired in part to actively advocate for healthcare etc. for former US soldiers.


Rip, you may not know this not living in the tri-state area (NY, NJ, CT) but real estate especially during certain time periods had the reputation barely above mob run sanitation businesses. Evaluating buildings for sale, purchase and insurance at the commercial level is even more art than science compared to a normal 3 bed 2 bath house. Lots of sins easily can be put in and pulled out by various accounting methods. And I don't know why you'd trust a guy who tried to pay a lawyer bill with a horse instead of currency. 

[djAdvocate]

Jan 6, 2024 23:35:58 GMT -5 ripvanwinkle said:

The Trump organization may be crooked but at least it is a business. Unlike the Biden family that has 20 shell companies that does not provide any product or services other than to move money around to other Biden family members.  

the Trump Organization has 500 shell companies.
you read that right.

FIVE HUNDRED.

i have two shell companies.  they are set up so that assets are held separately rather than jointly, and can be sold off as needed.  one has a checking account, but no employees.  the second doesn't even have a checking account.  i file a tax return for it every year and it has nothing but zeroes on it.  i am sure that HUNTER Biden does the same thing.  i am sure that Trump does the same thing.

you need to stop being so precious about this, rip.  it is SOP for any business that is not run out of a garage.

[pulmonarymd]

Top, like most conservatives these days, take whatever they are told as gospel truth. Notwithstanding the fact that there is zero proof to support any of the allegations