Red State Brain Drain?

[happyhoix]

If you google blue state red state there are all kinds of articles about people relocating from blue states to red states. Cheaper taxes, lower cost of living, much less expensive housing are the main reasons. 

But apparently there is also an opposite movement - college educated people moving from red states to blue states. 

newrepublic.com/article/176854/republican-red-states-brain-drain

I know in my little red rural town most of the kids that leave to go to college don’t come back. My own son bought a house 30 minutes away in a moderately sized city that’s still fairly conservative, but increasingly blue (they’re rebranding themselves as a Gig economy city, with very fast internet and hundreds of new condos downtown for the tech entrepreneurs).  Frankly if his wife’s family didn’t live here I suspect he’d have relocated somewhere up north (he’s an engineer).  

So are people migrating to areas that reflect their political affiliation? 

[djAdvocate]

they damned well should.

the red states are heading backwards.

[tallguy]

Nov 23, 2023 14:03:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If you google blue state red state there are all kinds of articles about people relocating from red states to blue states. Cheaper taxes, lower cost of living, much less expensive housing are the main reasons. 

But apparently there is also an opposite movement - college educated people moving from red states to blue states. 

newrepublic.com/article/176854/republican-red-states-brain-drain

I know in my little red rural town most of the kids that leave to go to college don’t come back. My own son bought a house 30 minutes away in a moderately sized city that’s still fairly conservative, but increasingly blue (they’re rebranding themselves as a Gig economy city, with very fast internet and hundreds of new condos downtown for the tech entrepreneurs).  Frankly if his wife’s family didn’t live here I suspect he’d have relocated somewhere up north (he’s an engineer).  

So are people migrating to areas that reflect their political affiliation? 

Should the first sentence be reversed?  From blue to red?

[happyhoix]

Nov 23, 2023 23:08:32 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Nov 23, 2023 14:03:25 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

If you google blue state red state there are all kinds of articles about people relocating from red states to blue states. Cheaper taxes, lower cost of living, much less expensive housing are the main reasons. 

But apparently there is also an opposite movement - college educated people moving from red states to blue states. 

newrepublic.com/article/176854/republican-red-states-brain-drain

I know in my little red rural town most of the kids that leave to go to college don’t come back. My own son bought a house 30 minutes away in a moderately sized city that’s still fairly conservative, but increasingly blue (they’re rebranding themselves as a Gig economy city, with very fast internet and hundreds of new condos downtown for the tech entrepreneurs).  Frankly if his wife’s family didn’t live here I suspect he’d have relocated somewhere up north (he’s an engineer).  

So are people migrating to areas that reflect their political affiliation? 

Should the first sentence be reversed?  From blue to red?

Yes. Sorry

[Tennesseer]

One example of the brain drain.  Though the article is from August, at the end of the 2023 academic year, northeast Florida lost 1,134 experienced teachers.

NASSAU COUNTY, FLORIDA, Fla. — Students are heading back to class, but some Florida educators won’t be this year.

The teacher shortage crisis is the biggest issue facing schools across the state, according to the Florida Education Association.

School districts in Northeast Florida lost 1,134 teachers at the end of the last school year. That makes up about 16 percent of the vacancies across the state – totaling 7,000.

Students head back to school as Florida faces worst teacher shortage in state history

[djAdvocate]

higher education is under attack from the right.
it is RIGHTLY seen as a "bastion of liberalism".
as well it should be.

business is a "bastion of conservatism". and business runs this country. but they are not content with that. they want to destroy the competition. which is not only bad for liberals like me, it is bad for business. without a challenge, all of the excesses of capitalism will overrun the system, or, as Chomsky once put it:

Modern industrial civilization has developed within a certain system of convenient myths. The driving force of modern industrial civilization has been individual material gain... Now it's long been understood - very well - that a society that is based on this principle will destroy itself in time. It can only persist - with whatever suffering and injustice it entails - as long as it's possible to pretend that the destructive forces that humans create are limited, that the world is an infinite resource, and that the world is an infinite garbage can. At this stage of history either... the general population will take control of its own destiny and will concern itself with community issues guided by values of solidarity, and sympathy, and concern for others, or - alternatively - there will be no destiny for anyone to control.

the degree to which society controls (regulates) the excesses in capitalism is the degree to which BOTH survive. and let's be candid: it is both, or neither. because capitalism is clearly winning.

[djAdvocate]

a simple way of putting it is that infinite growth is impossible in a finite system. a parasite like a mold will continue growing on it's food supply until it kills it, and thereby itself. we either focus on sustainability, or there will be no economy left to sustain.

[busymom]

Nov 24, 2023 12:45:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One example of the brain drain.  Though the article is from August, at the end of the 2023 academic year, northeast Florida lost 1,134 experienced teachers.

NASSAU COUNTY, FLORIDA, Fla. — Students are heading back to class, but some Florida educators won’t be this year.

The teacher shortage crisis is the biggest issue facing schools across the state, according to the Florida Education Association.

School districts in Northeast Florida lost 1,134 teachers at the end of the last school year. That makes up about 16 percent of the vacancies across the state – totaling 7,000.

Students head back to school as Florida faces worst teacher shortage in state history

     That's near my old "neck-of-the-woods".  A big property tax increase just went through, and they're once again blaming the teachers.  Why would you even consider being in a career where everything is the fault of the teachers?  Florida teachers have it worse than in some other states, because they also have to deal with stupidity like book bans, you can't discuss LGBTQ, etc.  I mean, if you can't even answer a student's questions, why even teach?  

[pulmonarymd]

Look at what is happening in Idaho. Ob/Gyn physicians have been leaving, and hospitals have cut back on ob services. A number of hospitals in Alabama have discontinued ob services. My son’s girlfriend is an ob, and she has said that she will be avoiding areas that are restricting abortion access. OB programs in these areas have seen the number of graduating medical students applying for residencies go down. Factors other than tax rates do count for your ability to attract educated individuals. Policies matter. We will see if this trend continues

[djAdvocate]

Nov 24, 2023 17:51:28 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Look at what is happening in Idaho. Ob/Gyn physicians have been leaving, and hospitals have cut back on ob services. A number of hospitals in Alabama have discontinued ob services. My son’s girlfriend is an ob, and she has said that she will be avoiding areas that are restricting abortion access. OB programs in these areas have seen the number of graduating medical students applying for residencies go down. Factors other than tax rates do count for your ability to attract educated individuals. Policies matter. We will see if this trend continues

the red states are turning into Trumpistan.

[Tennesseer]

Nov 24, 2023 17:25:57 GMT -5 busymom said:

Nov 24, 2023 12:45:49 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

One example of the brain drain.  Though the article is from August, at the end of the 2023 academic year, northeast Florida lost 1,134 experienced teachers.


Students head back to school as Florida faces worst teacher shortage in state history

     That's near my old "neck-of-the-woods".  A big property tax increase just went through, and they're once again blaming the teachers.  Why would you even consider being in a career where everything is the fault of the teachers?  Florida teachers have it worse than in some other states, because they also have to deal with stupidity like book bans, you can't discuss LGBTQ, etc.  I mean, if you can't even answer a student's questions, why even teach?  

Which I imagine is why they are leaving the profession.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Nov 24, 2023 17:51:28 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Look at what is happening in Idaho. Ob/Gyn physicians have been leaving, and hospitals have cut back on ob services. A number of hospitals in Alabama have discontinued ob services. My son’s girlfriend is an ob, and she has said that she will be avoiding areas that are restricting abortion access. OB programs in these areas have seen the number of graduating medical students applying for residencies go down. Factors other than tax rates do count for your ability to attract educated individuals. Policies matter. We will see if this trend continues

This should scare the crap out of everyone in a red state.  

www.propublica.org/article/abortion-ban-exceptions-trigger-laws-health-risks?fbclid=IwAR2pss360hge_JrejpAxX2Md5eEcu8A4pLMo0nq5mJuFWIgmAYys0Xxh3BA

I had the bad idea to ask my very conservative sister what she thought about the SC throwing R vs W back to the states and she thought that this was a great idea.  My sister also said that the liberal states also allow abortions up to birth.  (I asked her where, she couldn't point it out, but said it *could* happen.  I told her no OB would do something like that, but she insisted they would).  She has had 4 live births, 3 d&cs.  One was to get rid of a partial miscarriage, the other 2 were to clean the uterus of placental remains.  I pointed out to her that this procedure, like many in medicine are best practiced regularly.  If each d & c gets side eyed, how many does she think will get done?  How many will get practiced?  Does she want her daughter's (she has 3) uterus cleaned up by some gyn who has only done a few in his life?  She didn't answer me.  I don't know how to make her see reason.  All I figure is that it's going to take one of her daughters needing something that they can't get.