Don't get pregnant in Idaho

[kadee79]

It's a twitter feed so it will take a few seconds to come up...
Just totally unreal...

[kadee79]

There are still gynecologists there, just no one to deliver babies...obstricits (sp?)

[pulmonarymd]

Who would have thought that passing the laws they did would have consequences?

One of my sons has a girlfriend who is testing as an ob/gun. She has crossed off a whole bunch of states as places she would be willing to do so. And she is not ghe only one

[Knee Deep in Water Chloe]

Oh, it’s okay. Oregon and Washington increased funding for pregnancy care in anticipation of Idaho residents coming over for services. But don’t worry, the Idaho government is totally solving the egregious abortion problem. 🙄

[NastyWoman]

On the ABC news APP, which I don't have on this tablet - old, and memory challenged so no link - there is an in-depth article about this situation under "HEALTH". It is quite interesting and it makes me happy I don't live in Idaho.

Note at my age I would possibly make the Guiness book of records if I were to give birth but that is irrelevant to my feelings about this. I am especially disgusted with the reactions of the politicians who sponsored these laws at the end of the article.

[happyhoix]

Well, it’s not really a problem because if the women are Godly and pray hard enough they will successfully have home births - if not, well, that’s God’s will that the mom or the baby or both die in childbirth.

This will be fine until the wife or daughter of some prominent person in Idaho dies from lack of care. Then suddenly Idaho will want to go back to actually medical care.

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 1, 2023 14:51:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well, it’s not really a problem because if the women are Godly and pray hard enough they will successfully have home births - if not, well, that’s God’s will that the mom or the baby or both die in childbirth.

This will be fine until the wife or daughter of some prominent person in Idaho dies from lack of care. Then suddenly Idaho will want to go back to actually medical care.

It will take a tragedy like to hat for them to reconsider what Gary are doing. I have mixed feelings on this. It is unfortunate if it happens, but hey, this is what hey wanted based on how they voted

[busymom]

Oct 1, 2023 15:43:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Oct 1, 2023 14:51:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well, it’s not really a problem because if the women are Godly and pray hard enough they will successfully have home births - if not, well, that’s God’s will that the mom or the baby or both die in childbirth.

This will be fine until the wife or daughter of some prominent person in Idaho dies from lack of care. Then suddenly Idaho will want to go back to actually medical care.

It will take a tragedy like to hat for them to reconsider what Gary are doing. I have mixed feelings on this. It is unfortunate if it happens, but hey, this is what hey wanted based on how they voted

      Well remember that when it was Trump vs. Clinton in 2016, that most of the country voted for Hillary.  Trump only won based on the Electoral College.  So, we who vote don't always get what we want.


    Sadly, there will probably be a number of dead women before those in power reconsider.  There are a number of states right now that I would NEVER move to.  Fortunately, my daughter has the same opinion.  Look how many folks still think Covid was a hoax, and the "official" count is over 1.1 million dead.  

[thyme4change]

Oct 1, 2023 14:51:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well, it’s not really a problem because if the women are Godly and pray hard enough they will successfully have home births - if not, well, that’s God’s will that the mom or the baby or both die in childbirth.

This will be fine until the wife or daughter of some prominent person in Idaho dies from lack of care. Then suddenly Idaho will want to go back to actually medical care.

I know women and babies dying during childbirth was quite common 100 years ago (and before that). Do we know just how common it was? Was it like 20% of births lost either Mom or Baby? The only estimate I saw was an article about ‘something going wrong’ on 40% of births - but I am not sure what that means.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2023 14:41:54 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

On the ABC news APP, which I don't have on this tablet - old, and memory challenged so no link - there is an in-depth article about this situation under "HEALTH". It is quite interesting and it makes me happy I don't live in Idaho.

Note at my age I would possibly make the Guiness book of records if I were to give birth but that is irrelevant to my feelings about this. I am especially disgusted with the reactions of the politicians who sponsored these laws at the end of the article.

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Idaho health care providers can refer patients for abortions out of state, federal judge rules

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 1, 2023 16:21:26 GMT -5 busymom said:

Oct 1, 2023 15:43:01 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

It will take a tragedy like to hat for them to reconsider what Gary are doing. I have mixed feelings on this. It is unfortunate if it happens, but hey, this is what hey wanted based on how they voted

      Well remember that when it was Trump vs. Clinton in 2016, that most of the country voted for Hillary.  Trump only won based on the Electoral College.  So, we who vote don't always get what we want.


    Sadly, there will probably be a number of dead women before those in power reconsider.  There are a number of states right now that I would NEVER move to.  Fortunately, my daughter has the same opinion.  Look how many folks still think Covid was a hoax, and the "official" count is over 1.1 million dead.  

True at the national level. I am talking at a state level, where the electoral college is not an issue. Idaho is bright red, with an overwhelmingly white population, so gerrymandering isn’t an issue. The residents of Idsho voted for these clowns. They are just reaping what the sowed

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 1, 2023 16:52:25 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 1, 2023 14:41:54 GMT -5 NastyWoman said:

On the ABC news APP, which I don't have on this tablet - old, and memory challenged so no link - there is an in-depth article about this situation under "HEALTH". It is quite interesting and it makes me happy I don't live in Idaho.

Note at my age I would possibly make the Guiness book of records if I were to give birth but that is irrelevant to my feelings about this. I am especially disgusted with the reactions of the politicians who sponsored these laws at the end of the article.

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Idaho health care providers can refer patients for abortions out of state, federal judge rules

Just proves why we need an abortion ban at a national level/s

[pulmonarymd]

Oct 1, 2023 16:25:23 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 1, 2023 14:51:42 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Well, it’s not really a problem because if the women are Godly and pray hard enough they will successfully have home births - if not, well, that’s God’s will that the mom or the baby or both die in childbirth.

This will be fine until the wife or daughter of some prominent person in Idaho dies from lack of care. Then suddenly Idaho will want to go back to actually medical care.

I know women and babies dying during childbirth was quite common 100 years ago (and before that). Do we know just how common it was? Was it like 20% of births lost either Mom or Baby? The only estimate I saw was an article about ‘something going wrong’ on 40% of births - but I am not sure what that means.

Maternal mortality in 1900 was 300-1000/100,000 live births. It is now 33 in the US

[toomuchreality]

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[giramomma]

I'm really quite shocked that a city of 9K has a hospital that does births.

I live in a city of 250K. We have exactly two hospitals that will do births/maternity care.

In my parts, if you live in a city of 10k, that's right on the bubble of just expecting that you''ll need to travel to receive more than just basic medical care in a clinic.

[pulmonarymd]

How far is the next city/ hospital? It could be that the next bigger town could be hours away. People die if that is the case. This is the problem for rural areas

[pulmonarymd]

In the article, one of the reps who was responsible for passing these laws did not think about the ripple effects the law would have. Are you kidding me? If the were capable of looking outside their bubble they would have heard all kinds of warnings. These are the best and the brightest in the Republican Party?

[tallguy]

Oct 1, 2023 21:31:48 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

In the article, one of the reps who was responsible for passing these laws did not think about the ripple effects the law would have. Are you kidding me? If the were capable of looking outside their bubble they would have heard all kinds of warnings. These are the best and the brightest in the Republican Party?

No, but they may be the best and brightest of the Republican Party in Idaho.  No, that is not saying much, considering it is Idaho.  

[busymom]

Oct 1, 2023 20:13:01 GMT -5 giramomma said:

I'm really quite shocked that a city of 9K has a hospital that does births.

I live in a city of 250K. We have exactly two hospitals that will do births/maternity care.

In my parts, if you live in a city of 10k, that's right on the bubble of just expecting that you''ll need to travel to receive more than just basic medical care in a clinic.

     Our state must literally be "God's Country".  Of course, the politicians actually support women here.  The town my IL's live in has less than 4,000 people, and their hospital is full service, including delivering babies.  Patients only need to be transported to other hospitals when they get severe injuries, for example a bad car accident.  

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2023 12:51:03 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

Oh, it’s okay. Oregon and Washington increased funding for pregnancy care in anticipation of Idaho residents coming over for services. But don’t worry, the Idaho government is totally solving the egregious abortion problem. 🙄

i feel most sorry for places like Boise, that are quite a ways from the border, and dark blue dots.

[minnesotapaintlady]

Oct 1, 2023 22:38:12 GMT -5 busymom said:

Oct 1, 2023 20:13:01 GMT -5 giramomma said:

I'm really quite shocked that a city of 9K has a hospital that does births.

I live in a city of 250K. We have exactly two hospitals that will do births/maternity care.

In my parts, if you live in a city of 10k, that's right on the bubble of just expecting that you''ll need to travel to receive more than just basic medical care in a clinic.

     Our state must literally be "God's Country".  Of course, the politicians actually support women here.  The town my IL's live in has less than 4,000 people, and their hospital is full service, including delivering babies.  Patients only need to be transported to other hospitals when they get severe injuries, for example a bad car accident.  

Yeah, the southern half of the state is packed with Mayo and Gundersen hospitals/clinics.  Go along the river road and there's a town of less than 3K people every 15 miles or so and they all have a full service hospital.

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Oct 5, 2023 20:22:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 1, 2023 12:51:03 GMT -5 Knee Deep in Water Chloe said:

Oh, it’s okay. Oregon and Washington increased funding for pregnancy care in anticipation of Idaho residents coming over for services. But don’t worry, the Idaho government is totally solving the egregious abortion problem. 🙄

i feel most sorry for places like Boise, that are quite a ways from the border, and dark blue dots.

I wonder how many mothers and babies are going to have to die because they can't cross state lines fast enough, for Idaho to start backpedaling?

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2023 21:31:48 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

In the article, one of the reps who was responsible for passing these laws did not think about the ripple effects the law would have. Are you kidding me? If the were capable of looking outside their bubble they would have heard all kinds of warnings. These are the best and the brightest in the Republican Party?

whoda thunk that maternal care could be so complicated?

[Artemis Windsong]

Most decision makers can't think of the unintended consequences.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 8, 2023 20:03:42 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

Most decision makers can't think of the unintended consequences.

When each political party is discussing possible new laws behind closed doors, it would be a good idea to have several members play devil's advocate to point out the cons of a potential new law.

[daisylu]

I normally avoid the politics page, but I am just going to drop this here. link

I do not understand how so many women die because of giving birth in the US, nor how so many women are ok with their rights being taken away.

I do feel bad for the poverty stricken and abused women who have no other course of action, breeding children who will perpetuate this for many generations.