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Post by Value Buy on Apr 18, 2011 9:19:50 GMT -5
We are now at the beginning of the new Presidential campaign
The Republicans are feeling a little frisky right now with their thinking they have a chance to retake the White House, and maybe the Senate in 2012.
My question is......
Are the Republicans just reliving the nightmare of the Democrats of 2003 and 2004, when they actually thought they would recapture the White House from President Bush?
I acknowledge it is hard to get the incumbant out as the voters always seem more comfortable with the person in residence, rather than going with the opposition, so what does everyone think?
Do the Republicans stand a chance?
Can a mod turn this into a poll for us?
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Post by kadee79 on Apr 18, 2011 9:26:07 GMT -5
I haven't seen anyone worth voting for yet....sitting or otherwise! Personally, I would like to see a clean slate....NO previous politicians getting elected to any office!!! But that would require some intelligent folks stepping up to run, not many are doing that!  And BTW, I'm not a man!!! |
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Apr 18, 2011 9:27:14 GMT -5
I believe the Republicans can win if they run a strong fiscal conservative. Who that person is, I don't know.
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Post by ty on Apr 18, 2011 9:46:32 GMT -5
We are now at the beginning of the new Presidential campaign The Republicans are feeling a little frisky right now with their thinking they have a chance to retake the White House, and maybe the Senate in 2012. My question is...... Are the Republicans just reliving the nightmare of the Democrats of 2003 and 2004, when they actually thought they would recapture the White House from President Bush? I acknowledge it is hard to get the incumbant out as the voters always seem more comfortable with the person in residence, rather than going with the opposition, so what does everyone think? Do the Republicans stand a chance? Can a mod turn this into a poll for us? The way that the republicans have been behaving and acting means another slam-dunk for the democrats. Bonerhead will soon be going as well once the Dems regains full control of the house. This man has no idea on what the hell he's doing by acting like the big crybaby he is. |
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Apr 18, 2011 10:02:00 GMT -5
As long as the republicans stay clear of social issues they probably have a chance.
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Post by keywestsun on Apr 18, 2011 10:11:13 GMT -5
The majority of the public is not happy with the Dem's or Repub's, however Obama is falling like a rock, if the media covered him in a fair and honest manner he would be railroaded out of town next week.
It is time for a non-politician, honest, American to step up and retake the ex-branch. Time to reduce the power held by that branch and force the congress to do the job they were elected to do. Reagan was wrong, it is not the government that is the problem, it is the crooks we have running it, that is the problem.
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 18, 2011 10:22:03 GMT -5
I am not a Republican but think Obama could be defeated in 2012 not by a Republican but by the economic conditions in 2012.....just a hunch..so no matter who is his opposition Obama is toast..
He might be defeated by another Dem or Libertarian who knows 2012 is a long ways off in politics when a few months is eternity...according to the late Tip O'Neil
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Post by Phoenix84 on Apr 18, 2011 10:22:27 GMT -5
The republicans certainly have a shot. The democrats got creamed in the 2010 elections, and there’s a lot of anti democrat sentiment out there.
I think the republicans stand a good chance to win the presidency if they run a fiscal conservative. Obama has lost a lot of the “magic” with the populace that got him elected in 2008. Even many in Obama's own party are very upset with him right now.
I wouldn’t call it a shoe in for the republicans however. If they start up old rhetoric about gay marriage or abortion they’ll drive away a lot moderate voters. Also they can alienate voters if they nominate someone who’s radical and/or unpopular like Palin.
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Post by Driftr on Apr 18, 2011 11:16:16 GMT -5
I won't be voting for President Obama this time. Undecided on whether to throw my vote at a Rebuplican (doubtful) or a Libertarian (wasteful). I will be voting in the Republican primary though because I believe that winner will be our next President.
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Post by Mad Dawg Wiccan on Apr 18, 2011 11:25:00 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if Obama has any challengers from the Dems in the primaries.
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Post by handyman2 on Apr 18, 2011 13:51:17 GMT -5
Winning is simple just tell the seniors he or she will increase SS and Medicare benefits by 5% every year, tell China we are canceling our debt to them and all pills will be free. They will win hands down since Seniors vote the most.  |
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Post by EVT1 on Apr 18, 2011 14:08:12 GMT -5
As long as the republicans stay clear of social issues they probably have a chance. Since there is zero chance of that I guess they are up shit creek. |
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Post by skweet on Apr 18, 2011 14:26:04 GMT -5
There is a different feel today, than there was in spring of 2003. The stock market was just beginning a tear that would last through the election. Unemployment felt like it was starting to recover, and began showing in the numbers through the election (worst was like 6%). Bush had pushed a couple of popular (maybe one-side popular) bills through that were credited with kick-starting a bustling economy. We were showing success in Afghanistan, and gearing up for the exciting ouster of Sadam because he had convinced the world that he had nukes and wouldn't let the UN see them.
Compare that with today. The stock market has recovered a great deal, but people are still plowing $$ into gold and the like, in expectation of complete economic implosion. Unemployment feels like it will never recover from the worst depths many remember in their lifetime (over 10%). Obama has one bill credited to him, a health care plan hated by the far left, and most of the right. Add to that the corporate socialism (right or wrong) credited to him. The two wars continue, and we are pretty much tired of them, altogether, but Obama won't get us out.
Like I said, just a different feel. I agree that the pubs haven't offered up a strong challenge, but Obama is far weaker today than Bush was in 2003. I wouldn't be surprised to see a modest challenge from the Dems doing a lot of damage, if not winning the primary. I wouldn't be surprised to see a modest Pub challenger fall into a win from a couple of circumstances, not yet known, that pushes Obama completely out of favor. The reverse could be true especially if employment starts to take off.
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Post by Bluerobin on Apr 18, 2011 14:49:09 GMT -5
I think the Reps are shooting themselves in the foot, with their platform on cutting the budget. They want to cut anything that benefits the great unwashed. Unfortunately, they don't see that they need votes from those folks to win!
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Post by ameiko on Apr 18, 2011 15:41:32 GMT -5
I believe the Republicans can win if they run a strong fiscal conservative. Who that person is, I don't know. The GOP needs to learn that running wimpy and uncharismatic modereates like Ford, Dole, and McCain does not work. A strong fiscal and somewhat strong social conservative would be a great start. |
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Post by ameiko on Apr 18, 2011 15:43:34 GMT -5
We are now at the beginning of the new Presidential campaign The Republicans are feeling a little frisky right now with their thinking they have a chance to retake the White House, and maybe the Senate in 2012. My question is...... Are the Republicans just reliving the nightmare of the Democrats of 2003 and 2004, when they actually thought they would recapture the White House from President Bush? I acknowledge it is hard to get the incumbant out as the voters always seem more comfortable with the person in residence, rather than going with the opposition, so what does everyone think? Do the Republicans stand a chance? Can a mod turn this into a poll for us? The way that the republicans have been behaving and acting means another slam-dunk for the democrats. Bonerhead will soon be going as well once the Dems regains full control of the house. This man has no idea on what the hell he's doing by acting like the big crybaby he is. Wow, so much for civility. Bonerhead, really? So juvenile. |
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Post by cme1201 on Apr 18, 2011 15:43:52 GMT -5
"The GOP needs to learn that running wimpy and uncharismatic modereates like Ford, Dole, and McCain does not work. A strong fiscal and somewhat strong social conservative would be a great start."
Keep the Social out make it more of a libertarian social and strong fiscal conservative and we might save the party
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 18, 2011 15:53:28 GMT -5
Ron and Rand Paul have no yet announced whether or not which one will run for President in 2012...or if they will be either Republicans or Libertarians..
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 18, 2011 15:59:05 GMT -5
Ron and Rand Paul have no yet announced whether or not which one will run for President in 2012...or if they will be either Republicans or Libertarians.. How about a Paul/Paul ticket? That would be interesting... |
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 18, 2011 16:02:11 GMT -5
Ron Paul said he would run again if his son doesn't decide to run...but he has been so critical of both parties he might just run as an independent of as a Libertarian again..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 16:09:11 GMT -5
I honestly believe Obama was elected on the novelty vote. Unless they get really scared and throw in Hil hoping for the same, a Paul/Paul could satisfy that vote just for being so unique!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 16:10:20 GMT -5
I'd like to see West or Cain run against Obama to shut up the race voters.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 18, 2011 16:11:19 GMT -5
My prediction- 2012 will be a referendum on Obama, and he will lose. It will not matter who the Republican is. It's going to come down to the economy, jobs, and the price of a gallon of gasoline.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 16:11:48 GMT -5
I agree with the less social, more fiscal for Pubs.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 18, 2011 16:12:40 GMT -5
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Apr 18, 2011 16:14:25 GMT -5
I'd like to see West or Cain run against Obama to shut up the race voters. A conservative will never really be regarded as black by Democrats and liberals. If the Col. or Mr. Cain run, you will see Democrats, liberals and their allies in the state controlled media drag out the Clarence Thomas playbook. |
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Post by privateinvestor on Apr 18, 2011 16:16:59 GMT -5
My prediction- 2012 will be a referendum on Obama, and he will lose. It will not matter who the Republican is. It's going to come down to the economy, jobs, and the price of a gallon of gasoline.
We may not have a budget agreement to deal with the debt by the 2012 elections...right now they are miles apart in Washington DC |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 16:17:46 GMT -5
I honestly believe Obama was elected on the novelty vote. Unless they get really scared and throw in Hil hoping for the same, a Paul/Paul could satisfy that vote just for being so unique!! What was novel about him krick? |
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Post by ed1066 on Apr 18, 2011 16:18:23 GMT -5
My prediction- 2012 will be a referendum on Obama, and he will lose. It will not matter who the Republican is. It's going to come down to the economy, jobs, and the price of a gallon of gasoline. Yes! Obama will beat himself in 2012. He will not need any opposition to do the job he is doing every day. Every bad decision, poor policy, dismissive comment, and failure will drag him down. He is beatable by nearly any opponent at this point. The problem with this is that Obama is so bad, we risk ending up with another mediocre snake oil salesman taking his place, this time with an (R) behind his name. It is actually to the detriment of the country post-2012 that Obama has been such a disaster, as he could be easily defeated by a crappy candidate...if Obama had actually been competent, it would take an exceptional candidate to beat him 2012. As it stands, I could probably do it... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2011 16:24:13 GMT -5
I don't know OP... as long as the Republicans believe the idea that 'he is beatable by nearly any opponent at this point'... I think they will end up shooting themselves in the foot... This is not going to be just 'anyone against Obama'... if they do not run a viable candidate... they will definately lose...
And again... Obama's approval is still 46.5%...
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