Ohio voters

[happyhoix]

Reject an effort to try to make it harder to amend the state constitution.

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-ohio-s-issue-1-proposal-failed-and-how-the-ap-called-the-race/ar-AA1eZbSo

This was intended to make it harder to claw back the law making it hard to get an abortion.

Rejected by 57 %.

[tbop77]

IT WAS RIGGED!!!!!   
I just couldn't help myself.  

[happyhoix]

Aug 9, 2023 5:57:06 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

IT WAS RIGGED!!!!!   
I just couldn't help myself.  

I know you’re joking, but I saw a video recently of a dad whose son was in the military and was killed. Dad is saying he knows the government is lying about how his son died.

Maybe the government DID lie - but it seems like lately the go to response of anything government related is a knee jerk they lied/cheated if you don’t like the response.

Thank you, Mr Trump and the MAGAs.

[tbop77]

"Looks like they took a page out of the Maricopa County 'selections' playbook," Lake tweeted. "Today is Election Day in Ohio and the machines don’t work. The swampy never-Trumper Ohio Secretary of State was too busy running for another office to do his job making sure Election Day runs smoothly. Reminds me of the jackasses who run Maricopa County elections when they sabotaged Election Day to stop the will of We the People. Wake up America."


www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/election-deniers-inflate-ohio-polling-glitch-into-another-fraud-conspiracy-thanks-to-reporter-s-tweet/ar-AA1f0XZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e08b61f75b7c49bab8206488af46a9b4&ei=84

Knew it wouldn't take long!  

[djAdvocate]

don't cry for me, Arizona.

[haapai]

Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care?  I really wonder how large that fraction is. 

[djAdvocate]

Aug 9, 2023 15:02:35 GMT -5 haapai said:

Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care?  I really wonder how large that fraction is. 

probably about equal to infertile women who know the value of the right.

[tbop77]

In the wake of another electoral shellacking centered on the issue of abortion rights – this time in Ohio – I propose the Republican Party release the following statement in an effort to help itself in any and all upcoming elections:



Hey there! It’s the Republican Party here, just popping in to let you know we are listening, we have heard you and we are now proudly pro-choice!



www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a-post-ohio-message-from-the-republicans-on-abortion-on-second-thought-we-re-pro-choice/ar-AA1f1K5X?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3139c00bf00a4db79233ff5118865ed4&ei=45


Are they finding out their big major accomplishment isn't going to win elections?  

[djAdvocate]

they are discovering that this idea of a national abortion ban ain't so great.

[thyme4change]

Aug 9, 2023 15:02:35 GMT -5 haapai said:

Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care?  I really wonder how large that fraction is. 

I was wondering how many miscarriages need the kind of care that is being confused with abortion - including mifepristone. I know a very small percentage of actual “abortions” are due to non-compatibility with life, which are so late stage that many states already outlawed them, and very few providers offer them in states where they are legal. Those stories are heartbreaking, but I hate when statistically small examples are given to justify something larger. But, I don’t really know the stats between miscarriage care and on-demand abortions. I know there are about a million miscarriages per year - but how many need medical intervention? There are also about 900k abortions per year - 90% are 1st trimester. I don’t know how many are on-demand and how many are for medical reasons.

I am past child bearing age. I fear for my daughter that miscarriage care could be difficult. And I fear for my son that on-demand abortions will be harder to get. And that tells you a little something about my children’s different personalities and hobbies. 😛

[happyhoix]

Aug 10, 2023 11:34:48 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

In the wake of another electoral shellacking centered on the issue of abortion rights – this time in Ohio – I propose the Republican Party release the following statement in an effort to help itself in any and all upcoming elections:



Hey there! It’s the Republican Party here, just popping in to let you know we are listening, we have heard you and we are now proudly pro-choice!



www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/a-post-ohio-message-from-the-republicans-on-abortion-on-second-thought-we-re-pro-choice/ar-AA1f1K5X?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3139c00bf00a4db79233ff5118865ed4&ei=45


Are they finding out their big major accomplishment isn't going to win elections?  

Most of the GOP knew this already. Even Trump knew - after Roe vs Wade got killed Trump complained it would impact voter turn out.

I think the GOP thought people would forget about it, but you frequently hear these awful stories about women starting to miscarry who are unable to get medical help and run the risk of getting septic, which can be fatal. People aren’t forgetting.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 10, 2023 13:37:06 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Aug 9, 2023 15:02:35 GMT -5 haapai said:

Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care?  I really wonder how large that fraction is. 

I was wondering how many miscarriages need the kind of care that is being confused with abortion - including mifepristone. I know a very small percentage of actual “abortions” are due to non-compatibility with life, which are so late stage that many states already outlawed them, and very few providers offer them in states where they are legal. Those stories are heartbreaking, but I hate when statistically small examples are given to justify something larger. But, I don’t really know the stats between miscarriage care and on-demand abortions. I know there are about a million miscarriages per year - but how many need medical intervention? There are also about 900k abortions per year - 90% are 1st trimester. I don’t know how many are on-demand and how many are for medical reasons.

I am past child bearing age. I fear for my daughter that miscarriage care could be difficult. And I fear for my son that on-demand abortions will be harder to get. And that tells you a little something about my children’s different personalities and hobbies. 😛

I am not an OB. But, a quick perusal of easily available resources that i have showed that about 10% of women who were managed "medically" using misoprostol and mifepristone needed surgical intervention. It is higher for those who chose "expectant" management, that is no intervention, then you have those who choose to have a D and C. Most women choose to do something. So it would appear that the majority of those 1 million miscarriages have something done. That's a lot of women. Any surprise they might be pissed about these laws?

[Tiny]

Here's how the state voted by county.

The areas around the big Ohio cities resoundingly voted against Issue 1. It wasn't a State wide "NO!"     More counties voted FOR Issue 1 than against it.


www.wcpo.com/news/government/elections-local/ohio-issue-1-results-by-county-heres-how-the-state-voted

The majority of people in counties in red voted "no," while the majority of people in the gray counties voted "yes." The majority of counties in Ohio voted in favor of Issue 1, but the majority of voters in the state overall were against it, leading to its rejection.

You'll have to go to the link to see the map.

[dondubble]

Donnadub required a medical intervention for her third miscarriage. All the amniotic fluid drained out at the Mariner’s season opener. WTF is THAT! So your fetus dies in utero if it isn’t removed. Who knows what the, ahem, prolife crowd would think of all of that.

[Tennesseer]

Time Magazine may have a pay wall.

She Wasn't Able to Get an Abortion. Now She's a Mom. Soon She'll Start 7th Grade.

Ashley just had a baby. She’s sitting on the couch in a relative’s apartment in Clarksdale, Miss., wearing camo-print leggings and fiddling with the plastic hospital bracelets still on her wrists. It’s August and pushing 90 degrees, which means the brown patterned curtains are drawn, the air conditioner is on high, and the room feels like a hiding place. Peanut, the baby boy she delivered two days earlier, is asleep in a car seat at her feet, dressed in a little blue outfit. Ashley is surrounded by family, but nobody is smiling. One relative silently eats lunch in the kitchen, her two siblings stare glumly at their phones, and her mother, Regina, watches from across the room. Ashley was discharged from the hospital only hours ago, but there are no baby presents or toys in the room, no visible diapers or ointments or bottles. Almost nobody knows that Peanut exists, because almost nobody knew that Ashley was pregnant. She is 13 years old. Soon she’ll start seventh grade.

In the fall of 2022, Ashley was raped by a stranger in the yard outside her home, her mother says. For weeks, she didn’t tell anybody what happened, not even her mom. But Regina knew something was wrong. Ashley used to love going outside to make dances for her TikTok, but suddenly she refused to leave her bedroom. When she turned 13 that November, she wasn't in the mood to celebrate. “She just said, ‘It hurts,’” Regina remembers. “She was crying in her room. I asked her what was wrong, and she said she didn’t want to tell me.” (To protect the privacy of a juvenile rape survivor, TIME is using pseudonyms to refer to Ashley and Regina; Peanut is the baby’s nickname.)

The signs were obvious only in retrospect. Ashley started feeling sick to her stomach; Regina thought it was related to her diet. At one point, Regina even asked Ashley if she was pregnant, and Ashley said nothing. Regina hadn’t yet explained to her daughter how a baby is made, because she didn’t think Ashley was old enough to understand. “They need to be kids,” Regina says. She doesn’t think Ashley even realized that what happened to her could lead to a pregnancy.

On Jan. 11, Ashley began throwing up so much that Regina took her to the emergency room at Northwest Regional Medical Center in Clarksdale. When her bloodwork came back, the hospital called the police. One nurse came in and asked Ashley, “What have you been doing?” Regina recalls. That’s when they found out Ashley was pregnant. “I broke down,” Regina says.

Dr. Erica Balthrop was the ob-gyn on call that day. Balthrop is an assured, muscular woman with close-cropped cornrows and a tattoo of a feather running down her arm. She ordered an ultrasound, and determined Ashley was 10 or 11 weeks along. “It was surreal for her,” Balthrop recalls. "She just had no clue.” The doctor could not get Ashley to answer any questions, or to speak at all. “She would not open her mouth.” (Balthrop spoke about her patient's medical history with Regina's permission.)

At their second visit, about a week later, Regina tentatively asked Balthrop if there was any way to terminate Ashley’s pregnancy. Seven months earlier, Balthrop could have directed Ashley to abortion clinics in Memphis, 90 minutes north, or in Jackson, Miss., two and a half hours south. But today, Ashley lives in the heart of abortion-ban America. In 2018, Republican lawmakers in Mississippi enacted a ban on most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The law was blocked by a federal judge, who ruled that it violated the abortion protections guaranteed by Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court felt differently. In their June 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the Supreme Court overturned the constitutional right to abortion that had existed for nearly half a century. Within weeks, Mississippi and every state that borders it banned abortion in almost all circumstances.

Balthrop told Regina that the closest abortion provider for Ashley would be in Chicago. At first, Regina thought she and Ashley could drive there. But it’s a nine-hour trip, and Regina would have to take off work. She’d have to pay for gas, food, and a place to stay for a couple of nights, not to mention the cost of the abortion itself. “I don’t have the funds for all this,” she says.

So Ashley did what girls with no other options do: she did nothing.

Rest of article here:  She Wasn't Able to Get an Abortion. Now She's a Mom. Soon She'll Start 7th Grade.

[djAdvocate]

welcome to Trumpistan, Ashley.  your daughter will be a senior in High School before you are 30.

[Tennesseer]

Aug 14, 2023 20:36:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

welcome to Trumpistan, Ashley.  your daughter will be a senior in High School before you are 30.

Ashley could also be a grandmother before she is 30 too.

[djAdvocate]

Aug 14, 2023 20:47:11 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Aug 14, 2023 20:36:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

welcome to Trumpistan, Ashley.  your daughter will be a senior in High School before you are 30.

Ashley could also be a grandmother before she is 30 too.

just like the right wing superhero, Lauren Boebert.

[thyme4change]

Aug 10, 2023 15:48:26 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Here's how the state voted by county.

The areas around the big Ohio cities resoundingly voted against Issue 1. It wasn't a State wide "NO!"     More counties voted FOR Issue 1 than against it.


www.wcpo.com/news/government/elections-local/ohio-issue-1-results-by-county-heres-how-the-state-voted

The majority of people in counties in red voted "no," while the majority of people in the gray counties voted "yes." The majority of counties in Ohio voted in favor of Issue 1, but the majority of voters in the state overall were against it, leading to its rejection.

You'll have to go to the link to see the map.

Counties don’t vote, land doesn’t vote - people vote.

Counties are kinda random collections of people based on some geography and their populations are different. I don’t care that a majority of voters in a small dodecahedron shaped rural area near the southwest corner of the state all voted the same. What do the people want. If it is a county issue - those people get to decide. If it is a state issue, county lines don’t matter at all.