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Post by tbop77 on Aug 9, 2023 5:57:06 GMT -5
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 9, 2023 8:53:04 GMT -5
IT WAS RIGGED!!!!! I just couldn't help myself. I know you’re joking, but I saw a video recently of a dad whose son was in the military and was killed. Dad is saying he knows the government is lying about how his son died. Maybe the government DID lie - but it seems like lately the go to response of anything government related is a knee jerk they lied/cheated if you don’t like the response. Thank you, Mr Trump and the MAGAs. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2023 14:41:27 GMT -5
don't cry for me, Arizona.
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Post by haapai on Aug 9, 2023 15:02:35 GMT -5
Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care? I really wonder how large that fraction is.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 9, 2023 15:19:22 GMT -5
Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care? I really wonder how large that fraction is.
probably about equal to infertile women who know the value of the right. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 10, 2023 13:35:49 GMT -5
they are discovering that this idea of a national abortion ban ain't so great.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 10, 2023 13:37:06 GMT -5
Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care? I really wonder how large that fraction is.
I was wondering how many miscarriages need the kind of care that is being confused with abortion - including mifepristone. I know a very small percentage of actual “abortions” are due to non-compatibility with life, which are so late stage that many states already outlawed them, and very few providers offer them in states where they are legal. Those stories are heartbreaking, but I hate when statistically small examples are given to justify something larger. But, I don’t really know the stats between miscarriage care and on-demand abortions. I know there are about a million miscarriages per year - but how many need medical intervention? There are also about 900k abortions per year - 90% are 1st trimester. I don’t know how many are on-demand and how many are for medical reasons. I am past child bearing age. I fear for my daughter that miscarriage care could be difficult. And I fear for my son that on-demand abortions will be harder to get. And that tells you a little something about my children’s different personalities and hobbies. 😛 |
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 10, 2023 13:38:00 GMT -5
Most of the GOP knew this already. Even Trump knew - after Roe vs Wade got killed Trump complained it would impact voter turn out. I think the GOP thought people would forget about it, but you frequently hear these awful stories about women starting to miscarry who are unable to get medical help and run the risk of getting septic, which can be fatal. People aren’t forgetting. |
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Post by pulmonarymd on Aug 10, 2023 14:53:54 GMT -5
Is anyone else wondering how much of that 57% are young people of child-bearing age who want kids and cannot imagine having an elective abortion but are freaked out about how the state bans affect miscarriage care? I really wonder how large that fraction is.
I was wondering how many miscarriages need the kind of care that is being confused with abortion - including mifepristone. I know a very small percentage of actual “abortions” are due to non-compatibility with life, which are so late stage that many states already outlawed them, and very few providers offer them in states where they are legal. Those stories are heartbreaking, but I hate when statistically small examples are given to justify something larger. But, I don’t really know the stats between miscarriage care and on-demand abortions. I know there are about a million miscarriages per year - but how many need medical intervention? There are also about 900k abortions per year - 90% are 1st trimester. I don’t know how many are on-demand and how many are for medical reasons. I am past child bearing age. I fear for my daughter that miscarriage care could be difficult. And I fear for my son that on-demand abortions will be harder to get. And that tells you a little something about my children’s different personalities and hobbies. 😛 I am not an OB. But, a quick perusal of easily available resources that i have showed that about 10% of women who were managed "medically" using misoprostol and mifepristone needed surgical intervention. It is higher for those who chose "expectant" management, that is no intervention, then you have those who choose to have a D and C. Most women choose to do something. So it would appear that the majority of those 1 million miscarriages have something done. That's a lot of women. Any surprise they might be pissed about these laws? |
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Post by dondubble on Aug 10, 2023 16:49:13 GMT -5
Donnadub required a medical intervention for her third miscarriage. All the amniotic fluid drained out at the Mariner’s season opener. WTF is THAT! So your fetus dies in utero if it isn’t removed. Who knows what the, ahem, prolife crowd would think of all of that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2023 20:04:42 GMT -5
Time Magazine may have a pay wall. She Wasn't Able to Get an Abortion. Now She's a Mom. Soon She'll Start 7th Grade. Ashley just had a baby. She’s sitting on the couch in a relative’s apartment in Clarksdale, Miss., wearing camo-print leggings and fiddling with the plastic hospital bracelets still on her wrists. It’s August and pushing 90 degrees, which means the brown patterned curtains are drawn, the air conditioner is on high, and the room feels like a hiding place. Peanut, the baby boy she delivered two days earlier, is asleep in a car seat at her feet, dressed in a little blue outfit. Ashley is surrounded by family, but nobody is smiling. One relative silently eats lunch in the kitchen, her two siblings stare glumly at their phones, and her mother, Regina, watches from across the room. Ashley was discharged from the hospital only hours ago, but there are no baby presents or toys in the room, no visible diapers or ointments or bottles. Almost nobody knows that Peanut exists, because almost nobody knew that Ashley was pregnant. She is 13 years old. Soon she’ll start seventh grade. In the fall of 2022, Ashley was raped by a stranger in the yard outside her home, her mother says. For weeks, she didn’t tell anybody what happened, not even her mom. But Regina knew something was wrong. Ashley used to love going outside to make dances for her TikTok, but suddenly she refused to leave her bedroom. When she turned 13 that November, she wasn't in the mood to celebrate. “She just said, ‘It hurts,’” Regina remembers. “She was crying in her room. I asked her what was wrong, and she said she didn’t want to tell me.” (To protect the privacy of a juvenile rape survivor, TIME is using pseudonyms to refer to Ashley and Regina; Peanut is the baby’s nickname.) The signs were obvious only in retrospect. Ashley started feeling sick to her stomach; Regina thought it was related to her diet. At one point, Regina even asked Ashley if she was pregnant, and Ashley said nothing. Regina hadn’t yet explained to her daughter how a baby is made, because she didn’t think Ashley was old enough to understand. “They need to be kids,” Regina says. She doesn’t think Ashley even realized that what happened to her could lead to a pregnancy. On Jan. 11, Ashley began throwing up so much that Regina took her to the emergency room at Northwest Regional Medical Center in Clarksdale. When her bloodwork came back, the hospital called the police. One nurse came in and asked Ashley, “What have you been doing?” Regina recalls. That’s when they found out Ashley was pregnant. “I broke down,” Regina says. Dr. Erica Balthrop was the ob-gyn on call that day. Balthrop is an assured, muscular woman with close-cropped cornrows and a tattoo of a feather running down her arm. She ordered an ultrasound, and determined Ashley was 10 or 11 weeks along. “It was surreal for her,” Balthrop recalls. "She just had no clue.” The doctor could not get Ashley to answer any questions, or to speak at all. “She would not open her mouth.” (Balthrop spoke about her patient's medical history with Regina's permission.) At their second visit, about a week later, Regina tentatively asked Balthrop if there was any way to terminate Ashley’s pregnancy. Seven months earlier, Balthrop could have directed Ashley to abortion clinics in Memphis, 90 minutes north, or in Jackson, Miss., two and a half hours south. But today, Ashley lives in the heart of abortion-ban America. In 2018, Republican lawmakers in Mississippi enacted a ban on most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The law was blocked by a federal judge, who ruled that it violated the abortion protections guaranteed by Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court felt differently. In their June 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the Supreme Court overturned the constitutional right to abortion that had existed for nearly half a century. Within weeks, Mississippi and every state that borders it banned abortion in almost all circumstances. Balthrop told Regina that the closest abortion provider for Ashley would be in Chicago. At first, Regina thought she and Ashley could drive there. But it’s a nine-hour trip, and Regina would have to take off work. She’d have to pay for gas, food, and a place to stay for a couple of nights, not to mention the cost of the abortion itself. “I don’t have the funds for all this,” she says. So Ashley did what girls with no other options do: she did nothing. Rest of article here: She Wasn't Able to Get an Abortion. Now She's a Mom. Soon She'll Start 7th Grade. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2023 20:36:38 GMT -5
welcome to Trumpistan, Ashley. your daughter will be a senior in High School before you are 30.
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Post by Tennesseer on Aug 14, 2023 20:47:11 GMT -5
welcome to Trumpistan, Ashley. your daughter will be a senior in High School before you are 30. Ashley could also be a grandmother before she is 30 too. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 14, 2023 20:51:17 GMT -5
welcome to Trumpistan, Ashley. your daughter will be a senior in High School before you are 30. Ashley could also be a grandmother before she is 30 too. just like the right wing superhero, Lauren Boebert. |
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 14, 2023 23:55:43 GMT -5
Counties don’t vote, land doesn’t vote - people vote. Counties are kinda random collections of people based on some geography and their populations are different. I don’t care that a majority of voters in a small dodecahedron shaped rural area near the southwest corner of the state all voted the same. What do the people want. If it is a county issue - those people get to decide. If it is a state issue, county lines don’t matter at all. |
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