So much for separation of Church and State....

[billisonboard]

These similar sounding words have very different meanings. To prescribe is to recommend and to proscribe is to forbid. One little letter makes a big difference. If you're tempted to get them mixed up, think of the "e" in "prescribe for me," and the "o" in "Oh no, don't for proscribe."

[pulmonarymd]

Proscribe from a medical standpoint would be either to condemn or to recommend against. For example, "I proscribe the use of anticoagulants in a patient who is actively bleeding". So either word works in the sentence that was outlined. Because we are sure "proscribing' the curriculum that Florida is prescribing to use.

[djAdvocate]

i was not even aware that there was the word PROSCRIBE before today.
THANKS!

[tallguy]

Aug 4, 2023 15:36:51 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

These similar sounding words have very different meanings. To prescribe is to recommend and to proscribe is to forbid. One little letter makes a big difference. If you're tempted to get them mixed up, think of the "e" in "prescribe for me," and the "o" in "Oh no, don't for proscribe."

Well, one of us was pretty sure, because I was having a really hard time understanding your meaning before.  

[tallguy]

Aug 4, 2023 15:42:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Proscribe from a medical standpoint would be either to condemn or to recommend against. For example, "I proscribe the use of anticoagulants in a patient who is actively bleeding". So either word works in the sentence that was outlined. Because we are sure "proscribing' the curriculum that Florida is prescribing to use.

Not in the context it was used, though.

[pulmonarymd]

Aug 4, 2023 18:51:02 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Aug 4, 2023 15:42:24 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Proscribe from a medical standpoint would be either to condemn or to recommend against. For example, "I proscribe the use of anticoagulants in a patient who is actively bleeding". So either word works in the sentence that was outlined. Because we are sure "proscribing' the curriculum that Florida is prescribing to use.

Not in the context it was used, though.

They are teaching a curriculum that was condemned(proscribed) by others. I think it works

[bean29]

Wisconsin has had both Charter and School Choice for over 30 years (40 or 50 I think). We have both religious and non religious schools involved. They give the funds to the parents, that is how they get away with it.

Heritage Christian
Notre Dame Middle School
St Augustine Preparatory Academy

Many of the religious schools involved have very good college acceptance and grad rates.

My work has done a lot for Notre Dame Middle School. They have very good outcomes. Somehow they teach religion and traditional sciences together.

[jerseygirl]

Inner city public schools are failing millions of kids. In Paterson NJ 70% of public school kids. NYC millions more. Some kids sadly have no parent/s that care and remain in these sad expensive excuses for education
I’ve worked with admins, data entry type women sometimes grandmothers who work tirelessly at more than one job to keep their kids in mostly Catholic schools. Cause the kids get an education without the chaos of their local miserably failing public school.

Better to allow parent guardian to use a portion of the money to pay for a private school than on the failing school .

[billisonboard]

Aug 5, 2023 6:40:00 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Wisconsin has had both Charter and School Choice for over 30 years (40 or 50 I think). We have both religious and non religious schools involved. They give the funds to the parents, that is how they get away with it.

Heritage Christian
Notre Dame Middle School
St Augustine Preparatory Academy

Many of the religious schools involved have very good college acceptance and grad rates.

My work has done a lot for Notre Dame Middle School. They have very good outcomes. Somehow they teach religion and traditional sciences together.

What do they have for "incomes" (students attending)? That can have a major effect on outcomes.

[Opti]

Aug 5, 2023 7:47:09 GMT -5 jerseygirl said:

Inner city public schools are failing millions of kids. In Paterson NJ 70% of public school kids. NYC millions more. Some kids sadly have no parent/s that care and remain in these sad expensive excuses for education
I’ve worked with admins, data entry type women sometimes grandmothers who work tirelessly at more than one job to keep their kids in mostly Catholic schools. Cause the kids get an education without the chaos of their local miserably failing public school.

Better to allow parent guardian to use a portion of the money to pay for a private school than on the failing school .

School funds come mainly from local taxes in NJ, so its not surprising Paterson would be operating badly with its smaller budget per pupil than say Princeton or an average town. I am not surprised that more students in poorer towns tend to leave HS early to work. Might be pressure from the parents or the belief that graduation isn't important, but the people you are dealing with think it is important which makes them different from some of their neighbors. 

I am not familiar with that area, but here's something I found that's recent.


www.paterson.k12.nj.us/cms/lib/NJ50010863/Centricity/Domain/12/2022_1103%20Districts%20High%20School%20Graduation%20Rate%20On%20Track%20To%20Reaching%20Pre-Pandemic%20Levels.pdf


At Wednesday’s Board meeting, Assistant Superintendent Joanna Tsimpedes reported that the district’s overall

high school graduation rate for 2021-2022 is 81.3 percent, higher than the 2020-2021 rate of 80.2 percent and

the 2019-2020 rate of 78.8 percent.


This three-year trend indicates that the district is on track to achieving its highest graduation rate during the past

decade, which was 87.8 percent for the 2016-2017 school year.

Tsimpedes also reported that many of the 256 students in the 2021-2022 cohort who did not graduate either

moved away from the district or needed to take jobs to help their families meet expenses. Others simply could

not be contacted, despite many efforts by district and school administrators to reach them.

[billisonboard]

The Expectation: take 100% of 5 year olds -> put them into a system for approximately 1/4 of each day for approximately 1/2 of the days of each year including approximately a two and a half month solid break -> keep them in this system for thirteen years during which their bodies undergo vast physical and psychological change -> have 100% of them exit with desired results.

Is there any other human endeavor with close to the same expectation? I can't think of one. 

[bean29]

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[Tennesseer]

Aug 5, 2023 6:40:00 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Wisconsin has had both Charter and School Choice for over 30 years (40 or 50 I think). We have both religious and non religious schools involved. They give the funds to the parents, that is how they get away with it.

Heritage Christian
Notre Dame Middle School
St Augustine Preparatory Academy

Many of the religious schools involved have very good college acceptance and grad rates.

My work has done a lot for Notre Dame Middle School. They have very good outcomes. Somehow they teach religion and traditional sciences together.

Other than seventh and eighth grade, I attended Catholic schools in the 1960s. I don't ever recall being taught the book of Genesis was fact. And our high school science teachers taught facts known at the time.

Funny thing I noticed my senior year of high school. Prior to my senior year, the nuns habits were the traditional habits. That is, head to foot covererings with no head hair showing among other things.

It was in my senior year that the science teacher nuns (who were usually younger than the other nuns) switched over to modern dress. Just below the knee skirts/dresses, blouses covering their arms, and just a very modest veil which allowed their head hair to show. In addition to the science teacher nuns, the sisters who taught history and social studies also switched over to the modern dress.

The rest of the teaching nuns remained in the old, traditional dress until some time after I graduated.

As for who paid for Catholic schools and schooling in my area, the Catholic diocese paid for the schooling through Sunday mass collections. There was not tuition. My high school later on in years became funded by student tuition. My high school class was 750 students what with the tuition-free schooling. Once tuition was instuted, class sizes plummeted into the low 100s. Plus the city/diocese population changed with more non-Catholics in the area and the demand for Catholic schooling declined.