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Post by chiver78 on Jun 19, 2023 16:27:38 GMT -5
then they can live their lives the way they want. leave the laws alone and don't expect the rest of us to live OUR lives to THEIR book. I didn't see anything mentioned about changing the laws for acceptancefor acceptance? please explain that. as far as law changes mentioned in this particular article, there weren't any. but do some research and critical thinking on your own, and tell me that Turning Point USA doesn't promote legislation that follows evangelical teachings. link
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 19, 2023 16:29:13 GMT -5
I think mostly the men in charge are living their lives the way they want. Women escape from these cults and write tell all books about the abuse and the rules. If you are born into something like this, you aren't making an informed choice to live this way. It is chosen for you by the leaders of the cult du jour. Men on the bottom generally don't live that great either. Many are forced/told to give up a wife and or daughter for a fearless leader's sexual pleasure. These cults are almost textbook on how to groom young people to be taken advantage of sexually. The Amish at least are more honest and have rumspringa to allow their young people at least a taste of another reality. I'm guessing you've missed the Duggar daughters who have escaped and how some of their husbands have talked about the crazy? It doesn't mean that every family is like that. You mentioned the Duggars they are not the rule. I mentioned the Duggars first, from the docu series on the IBLP. I also said the series went beyond that family and explored the IBLP history and founder. do you even think for yourself? or do you just spit back talking points? because you're on a roll today.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2023 16:48:32 GMT -5
From what I gather these people are living their lives the way they want. I tcan be a growing community. I think the frosting of asses is because they contradict what is the societal norm now. I view it like transgenders in a traditional marriage it works for them. The people who can't stand that is because it goes against their perception of tradition marriage. nothing could make my perception of traditional marriage worse than it is. my parents were divorced or separated six times between them.
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Post by swamp on Jun 19, 2023 18:48:47 GMT -5
Why is toxic patriarchy making a comeback?Toxic, Christian patriarchy is making a comeback with younger millennials and Gen Z. Scroll through Christian Twitter, and you’ll find men and women ideologically and radically committed to traditional gender roles, lamenting the sins of yoga pants, makeupless wives, and feminized masculinity. The men extol the virtues of virility, headship, and physical labor, admonishing women to become quiet, submissive homemakers. Women proudly don the title “patriarchalist” in their bios and share memes obsessing over hyper-feminine images of homemaking mothers. Some even follow accounts like this one, which encourages women not to hold marital rape against their husbands. In a viral tweet, one rising star in the movement wrote that the only “acceptable occasion” to wear yoga pants is when a woman is “alone in the house” with her husband. Another writes regularly of Christian women who are chaste, gentle, and feminine. A woman may feel called by God to eliminate yoga pants from her public wardrobe, but the explicit claim on their morality is concerning. Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with the virtues in the latter example, but many women simply don’t fit the stereotypical examples of femininity, and that’s OK. This leads me to Turning Point USA’s recent Young Women’s Leadership Conference. An audience member asked TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk how she could balance her career ambitions with those of motherhood. Quick to crush her dreams, Kirk told her she’d have to choose, and if she wanted happiness, a career wasn’t the answer. Rest of article here: Why is toxic patriarchy making a comeback? I’m confused can I wear my yoga pants at home alone? Why does my husband need to be there? what if I go to a yoga class? What do I wear? Does my husband go with me? He’s not big on yoga. so many questions.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Jun 19, 2023 18:56:23 GMT -5
I'm not so sure it's making a comeback as those in favor of strong, female-submission, patriarchy is just being especially loud these days/years. I do think it exists in the evangelical culture. For example, there's a woman who works in the same school district as my husband. She absolutely should be a school administrator. They're begging her to take a promotion. She won't because in their household, the husband has to make more money. He's "just" a teacher. So, she won't move into school administration because in their rigid view of Christianity, that would usurp her husband's authority.
That's anecdotal though. There are millions of Mormons. ( I am not nor is the woman I mentioned above.) They completely function within a patriarchy. However, they're much nicer about it.
Remember, in the late 70s & early 80s there was a huge SAHM movement when women went to work, and clerical staff unionized. I really don't think there's an increase in the patriarchy. They're just louder at the moment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2023 19:30:45 GMT -5
consecutive or cumulative? consecutive, although the next moves will become cumulative. I bought my first condo at age 22. you've done really well. the second property is always the hardest. after that, you are golden. it changes the banking relationship when you are not occupying.
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Post by busymom on Jun 19, 2023 19:36:20 GMT -5
You might be surprised to learn that some of my feminist qualities were formed by my Dad. Yes, my Christian Dad. When I was about high school age, he told me since the divorce rate was about 50%, so I'd better have a good career just in case I ended up being a single mom. He also told me to have fewer kids, for the same reason, so if I was left with children to support by myself, that I'd make it. He always was ahead of his time. Not bad for a guy from the Greatest Generation. He even knew how to cook meals, run the washer & dryer, and change diapers.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 19, 2023 19:52:00 GMT -5
this stuff makes me absolutely crazy. and, without hijacking the thread, have any of you watched Shiny Happy People? it's the docu of the IBLP (Duggar family cult) that's available on Amazon Prime. it explored more than just the Duggars, and dove deeper into the basis of the cult and its founder. I never watched any of the TLC shows, but somehow started following the news when the oldest son came under scrutiny for having molested his sisters. I'm so happy the married daughters have gotten away from all of it, and I'm really hoping the oldest "old maid" daughter can escape as well. I have heard about it. I don’t care so much if they want to make their daughters wear their hair long or only wear skirts. However, the way the Duggars and the local police covered up the oldest son’s sexual fondling of his sisters and a babysitter is infuriating. Blaming the girls for being ‘too tempting’ and locking the girls in their rooms at night so their brother can’t get at them. Then the only ‘punishment’ the kid got was being sent to some kind of Christian boot camp. Then he gets married and has kids of his own (terrifying!) and he ends up being outed for having using a website that helps men find women to have affairs with. Then - the final icing on the cake - he gets busted for having child porn on his computer. And his mom and dad and most of his sisters and his wife ‘forgive’ him. That’s a giant NOPE.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 19, 2023 20:12:00 GMT -5
Statistically - people under 30 are less Christian than other groups and less Christian than previous generations were at the same age. I don’t know if that means the ones left are more intense - but I will say that they are very loud.
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Post by laterbloomer on Jun 19, 2023 20:57:50 GMT -5
Years ago an old protestor told me the failure of The Soviet Union was not going to be good for the North American middle class. They said a strong Communist country was a political check. As long as Communism was a realistic option our governments would not let the worst of Capitalism thrive.
I think that, combined with the internet and 24 hour news cycle has let all kinds of crazy thrive.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2023 21:10:38 GMT -5
Years ago an old protestor told me the failure of The Soviet Union was not going to be good for the North American middle class. They said a strong Communist country was a political check. As long as Communism was a realistic option our governments would not let the worst of Capitalism thrive. I think that, combined with the internet and 24 hour news cycle has let all kinds of crazy thrive. there are SO MANY FACTORS in this. part of building a liberal society was creating an elite professional class that would act as our "betters". and that worked fine. until around 1960. after 1960, the liberal elite started to become concerned that it was incapable of solving big problems, and that society was breaking down. the old view was cynical enough, but the new view was even more cynical- that we needed a unifying theme as stark as good versus evil. so we started the Cold War. and yes, that kept us together until the fall of the USSR. since that time, there has been no unifying theme, AND the internet sprung up, which created massive tribalism. and now we are so fractured it is hard to imagine all of the king's horses and all the king's men putting us back together again. in addition, however, the elite class has ALSO abandoned what used to be called the virtuous cycle, whereby the income across all classes was tied to productivity. since 1973, the top 10% has basically taken everything, the middle 60% has gone nowhere, and the bottom 30% has steadily lost ground. and this is creating economic disparities that are quite similar to 1930, our last great economic crisis. so, yeah. not looking good on a number of levels. hopes and prayers.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2023 21:33:05 GMT -5
Years ago an old protestor told me the failure of The Soviet Union was not going to be good for the North American middle class. They said a strong Communist country was a political check. As long as Communism was a realistic option our governments would not let the worst of Capitalism thrive. I think that, combined with the internet and 24 hour news cycle has let all kinds of crazy thrive. there are SO MANY FACTORS in this. part of building a liberal society was creating an elite professional class that would act as our "betters". and that worked fine. until around 1960. after 1960, the liberal elite started to become concerned that it was incapable of solving big problems, and that society was breaking down. the old view was cynical enough, but the new view was even more cynical- that we needed a unifying theme as stark as good versus evil. so we started the Cold War. and yes, that kept us together until the fall of the USSR. since that time, there has been no unifying theme, AND the internet sprung up, which created massive tribalism. and now we are so fractured it is hard to imagine all of the king's horses and all the king's men putting us back together again. in addition, however, the elite class has ALSO abandoned what used to be called the virtuous cycle, whereby the income across all classes was tied to productivity. since 1973, the top 10% has basically taken everything, the middle 60% has gone nowhere, and the bottom 30% has steadily lost ground. and this is creating economic disparities that are quite similar to 1930, our last great economic crisis. so, yeah. not looking good on a number of levels. hopes and prayers. FWIW: The Cold War reached its peak in 1948–53. In this period the Soviets unsuccessfully blockaded the Western-held sectors of West Berlin (1948–49); the United States and its European allies formed the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), a unified military command to resist the Soviet presence in Europe (1949); the Soviets exploded their first atomic warhead (1949), thus ending the American monopoly on the atomic bomb; the Chinese communists came to power in mainland China (1949); and the Soviet-supported communist government of North Korea invaded U.S.-supported South Korea in 1950, setting off an indecisive Korean War that lasted until 1953. link
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Post by NastyWoman on Jun 19, 2023 21:42:22 GMT -5
I don't get it either because I never have been that way and never will. I see through the illusion. I want a seat at the table and I know the only way to get it is to demand it. I refuse to lick a man's shoes for crumbs. These people do have goals, dangerous goals. To continue to consolidate power and privilege into the hands of an elite few. In exchange they get whatever that few toss their way. It is a fair trade off to make sure that those "others" never forget their place. It's about dominance over someone, anyone and the ability to say at least you are better than that person over there. That's why Trump is so appealing. He promises a return to the good old days. When men could work 40 hour jobs for $5/hr and afford a white picket fence house and two kids. Women could stay home and be wives/mothers without a care in the world. Everyone else stayed on the back of the bus or in the closet where God intended them to be. No need to be forced to question everything you believe in because what you believe is the only acceptable way to think. They really believe they are doing God's work. That is the goal. Too bad like my contemporary religion professor said in order to achieve that goal they are ignoring 99.9% of the teachings of Jesus. this is what frosts my ass about all of this . they wave around this book, written by man, that none of them follow. and then they expect us to follow their book as law, and we're heathens when we protest. I'll proudly wear that heathen badge as I question why their god is the correct one, when there's so many others people worship. I don't worship any of them, but recognize the right to worship as you choose. and none of those holy books belong in our laws. They waved a bit too hard in my case and I remember exactly when I lost the unquestioning respect/belief in religious leaders: it was in sixth grade when our teacher made a big point in telling us that all people are fallible. She made that point because she never gave a perfect score on report cards even if all your test were perfect - ONLY god was perfect so my math grade was what would be the equivalent of 98% here. Stubborn (not so little me - I had reached my full height of 5'7" by that time) me kept my mouth shut but learned that lesson way better than she intended. I concluded that if ALL people were fallible that included adults, teachers, nuns, priests, etc., up to and including the pope. I never took things for granted because "they told me so" again. Since then you better had actual knowledge before I believed it. I do hold science in high regard even though I know that it is not perfect ->never changing your mind as more becomes known puts you on the stupid list - as it is the best we have IMO.
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Post by Opti on Jun 19, 2023 21:50:33 GMT -5
this is what frosts my ass about all of this . they wave around this book, written by man, that none of them follow. and then they expect us to follow their book as law, and we're heathens when we protest. I'll proudly wear that heathen badge as I question why their god is the correct one, when there's so many others people worship. I don't worship any of them, but recognize the right to worship as you choose. and none of those holy books belong in our laws. They waved a bit too hard in my case and I remember exactly when I lost the unquestioning respect/belief in religious leaders: it was in sixth grade when our teacher made a big point in telling us that all people are fallible. She made that point because she never gave a perfect score on report cards even if all your test were perfect - ONLY god was perfect so my math grade was what would be the equivalent of 98% here. Stubborn (not so little me - I had reached my full height of 5'7" by that time) me kept my mouth shut but learned that lesson way better than she intended. I concluded that if ALL people were fallible that included adults, teachers, nuns, priests, etc., up to and including the pope. I never took things for granted because "they told me so" again. Since then you better had actual knowledge before I believed it. I do hold science in high regard even though I know that it is not perfect ->never changing your mind as more becomes known puts you on the stupid list - as it is the best we have IMO. I have a special dislike for people who refuse to give the right score simply because of some stupid philosophy they hold. I am thankful I was not brought up Catholic and that my religious upbringing was more sensible than most. I was taught that the Bible was written by man and was tempered by the time and the understanding of those in that time. In better words, the Bible should be looked at in historical context and that there were of course biases introduced by its authors or scribes. I speak to my BF who grew up with me regularly and we can't take these pretend Christians seriously. Sometimes I wonder how they can believe any of the lies they say out loud in public.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2023 22:30:14 GMT -5
They waved a bit too hard in my case and I remember exactly when I lost the unquestioning respect/belief in religious leaders: it was in sixth grade when our teacher made a big point in telling us that all people are fallible. She made that point because she never gave a perfect score on report cards even if all your test were perfect - ONLY god was perfect so my math grade was what would be the equivalent of 98% here. Stubborn (not so little me - I had reached my full height of 5'7" by that time) me kept my mouth shut but learned that lesson way better than she intended. I concluded that if ALL people were fallible that included adults, teachers, nuns, priests, etc., up to and including the pope. I never took things for granted because "they told me so" again. Since then you better had actual knowledge before I believed it. I do hold science in high regard even though I know that it is not perfect ->never changing your mind as more becomes known puts you on the stupid list - as it is the best we have IMO. I have a special dislike for people who refuse to give the right score simply because of some stupid philosophy they hold. I am thankful I was not brought up Catholic and that my religious upbringing was more sensible than most. I was taught that the Bible was written by man and was tempered by the time and the understanding of those in that time. In better words, the Bible should be looked at in historical context and that there were of course biases introduced by its authors or scribes. I speak to my BF who grew up with me regularly and we can't take these pretend Christians seriously. Sometimes I wonder how they can believe any of the lies they say out loud in public. i am not sure what you were trying to say there, but i love how that sounds!
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Post by scgal on Jun 20, 2023 6:23:44 GMT -5
From what I gather these people are living their lives the way they want. I tcan be a growing community. I think the frosting of asses is because they contradict what is the societal norm now. I view it like transgenders in a traditional marriage it works for them. The people who can't stand that is because it goes against their perception of tradition marriage. nothing could make my perception of traditional marriage worse than it is. my parents were divorced or separated six times between them. Mine would have been better of divorced
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Post by scgal on Jun 20, 2023 6:33:58 GMT -5
I didn't see anything mentioned about changing the laws for acceptancefor acceptance? please explain that. as far as law changes mentioned in this particular article, there weren't any. but do some research and critical thinking on your own, and tell me that Turning Point USA doesn't promote legislation that follows evangelical teachings. linkYou cited laws without mentioned what laws. I'm not the one that needs to research your thoughts. There is an uprising or more visible due to the internet but I don't see where they want anyone to accept their way of life.
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Post by Opti on Jun 20, 2023 6:34:19 GMT -5
I have a special dislike for people who refuse to give the right score simply because of some stupid philosophy they hold. I am thankful I was not brought up Catholic and that my religious upbringing was more sensible than most. I was taught that the Bible was written by man and was tempered by the time and the understanding of those in that time. In better words, the Bible should be looked at in historical context and that there were of course biases introduced by its authors or scribes. I speak to my BF who grew up with me regularly and we can't take these pretend Christians seriously. Sometimes I wonder how they can believe any of the lies they say out loud in public. i am not sure what you were trying to say there, but i love how that sounds! Sigh, tired, and I have to roll; the bus leaves in less than an hour. Probably meant we talk regularly.
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Post by jerseygirl on Jun 20, 2023 11:26:04 GMT -5
Simplistic to attribute this only to Christians. Muslims have many times much harsher actions on women.
At present time the Christian excesses as far as women seem to be mostly!! in cults or more traditional societies - Mormons, Anabaptists, Bruderhofs etc These aren’t recent. Are evangelicals more strident now about men/women? Or just more media attention ?
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Simplistic to attribute this only to Christians. Muslims have many times much harsher actions on women. At present time the Christian excesses as far as women seem to be mostly!! in cults or more traditional societies - Mormons, Anabaptists, Bruderhofs etc These aren’t recent. Are evangelicals more strident now about men/women? Or just more media attention ? I believe that many churches and their members have moved to be more conservative. I have been watching a handful of churches over the past 30 years and all of them have adjusted their theology over the decades to take more conservative stances. I will say that maybe it is because they could gloss over issues before and now, due to changes in society, they must confront them. My parents’ church had a pretty healthy gay community in the 90’s, but it wasn’t identified as such. It was very much don’t ask, don’t tell. Recently the church has come out with anti-LGBTQ statements as part of their core beliefs. Same with things like abortion - it wasn’t discussed before. My sister’s church used to have a thriving working mom group. I knew many professional women who loved that church. They have all left that church or left their career as the pulpit started preaching traditional gender roles and the pressure and guilt got overwhelming. I understand that my limited observations aren’t all encompassing. There are plenty of LGBTQ affirming churches and I am sure there is a place for everyone. I thought there was research done that showed movement of churches to more conservative views - but I can’t remember where I saw that.
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 20, 2023 16:27:29 GMT -5
for acceptance? please explain that. as far as law changes mentioned in this particular article, there weren't any. but do some research and critical thinking on your own, and tell me that Turning Point USA doesn't promote legislation that follows evangelical teachings. linkYou cited laws without mentioned what laws. I'm not the one that needs to research your thoughts. There is an uprising or more visible due to the internet but I don't see where they want anyone to accept their way of life. I cited nothing, in fact didn't even point to an article. I referred generally to the many laws endorsed by the "Christian right" that restrict or outright remove rights granted to minorites of various flavors. I'm not sure whether you honestly don't think there have been any, your head's in the sand, or what. but here's a short list with links. read up, and educate yourself. you may have even heard of some of these already. and again, what did you mean by "for acceptance" there? acceptance of what? (FL) Parental Rights in Education - AKA "Don't Say Gay" effective JUL22 (LA) SB 224 - requires every public school in the state to display the phrase "In God We Trust". also in that link is a reference to (SD) Codified Law 13-24-24 which requires the state to cover expenses related to any lawsuit brought by those opposed to this reference. great use of taxpayer funds, BTW. (MI) HB 4672 *this one hasn't passed yet* mandates the curriculum include "the Christian foundations of the United States" specifically to counter things being taught as part of the 1619 Project. this bill has been proposed by a first-term Rep and retired Christian school teacher. oh, and then there's the laws that have been passed *since* the Dobbs decision, further restricting abortion access past what was already in place as soon as Roe was overturned. you'll have to put down your champagne flute, sorry. these are just a few. (IN) SB-1 (this link is wonky as they do some site maintenance, per the alert currently at the top of the page.) (OK) SB 1503 (AKA "Oklahoma Heartbeat Act") (OK) HB 4327 <- full text. this law prohibits abortion from the moment of conception (SC) HB 4776 - I cannot get the site to pull up. this law allows medical professionals to claim religious exemptions from performing abortions. (WV) HB 302 criminalizes abortion providers, includes other further restrictions
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Post by Opti on Jun 20, 2023 17:39:33 GMT -5
Simplistic to attribute this only to Christians. Muslims have many times much harsher actions on women. At present time the Christian excesses as far as women seem to be mostly!! in cults or more traditional societies - Mormons, Anabaptists, Bruderhofs etc These aren’t recent. Are evangelicals more strident now about men/women? Or just more media attention ? Given the article was discussing the return of toxic patriarchy in America it would be weird in this time of America's history to reflect on Muslim actions in America. I don't consider those discussed in the article as Christians. At best they are faux Christians much like I believe there are many faux Muslims out there including and maybe especially the militant out of control ones. Are some of the Christian cults worse towards women now? Yes, I think so. There has been a resurgence of males are superior, racism, hate against transgenders, etc. that became more acceptable by Trump and some of his ilk. And sadly, yes some new Muslims do honor killings of their daughter here in America because IMO they are jerks, but I think there is no honor in it nor was there any honor in biblical times of forcing a girl who was raped to marry her rapist. Are American conservative male AHs less likely to kill their daughters? Probably. However we still get cases of fathers, white American asshole fathers holding their daughters hostage in the basement and forcing kids on them. Way too many fathers are willing to rape their daughters and some prefer raping their sons. Neither is acceptable. There is some media attention, but less actually I think compared to the heyday of when the Duggar's son was first exposed. Trump supported and hung out with some serious AH preachers who were very pro controlling women. If crap like that happened prior in my voting life, those Presidents hid it well.
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Post by scgal on Jun 23, 2023 7:54:15 GMT -5
You cited laws without mentioned what laws. I'm not the one that needs to research your thoughts. There is an uprising or more visible due to the internet but I don't see where they want anyone to accept their way of life. I cited nothing, in fact didn't even point to an article. I referred generally to the many laws endorsed by the "Christian right" that restrict or outright remove rights granted to minorites of various flavors. I'm not sure whether you honestly don't think there have been any, your head's in the sand, or what. but here's a short list with links. read up, and educate yourself. you may have even heard of some of these already. and again, what did you mean by "for acceptance" there? acceptance of what? (FL) Parental Rights in Education - AKA "Don't Say Gay" effective JUL22 (LA) SB 224 - requires every public school in the state to display the phrase "In God We Trust". also in that link is a reference to (SD) Codified Law 13-24-24 which requires the state to cover expenses related to any lawsuit brought by those opposed to this reference. great use of taxpayer funds, BTW. (MI) HB 4672 *this one hasn't passed yet* mandates the curriculum include "the Christian foundations of the United States" specifically to counter things being taught as part of the 1619 Project. this bill has been proposed by a first-term Rep and retired Christian school teacher. oh, and then there's the laws that have been passed *since* the Dobbs decision, further restricting abortion access past what was already in place as soon as Roe was overturned. you'll have to put down your champagne flute, sorry. these are just a few. (IN) SB-1 (this link is wonky as they do some site maintenance, per the alert currently at the top of the page.) (OK) SB 1503 (AKA "Oklahoma Heartbeat Act") (OK) HB 4327 <- full text. this law prohibits abortion from the moment of conception (SC) HB 4776 - I cannot get the site to pull up. this law allows medical professionals to claim religious exemptions from performing abortions. (WV) HB 302 criminalizes abortion providers, includes other further restrictions Well there you have it I agree with all of those
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Post by tallguy on Jun 23, 2023 8:32:54 GMT -5
Of course you do. I hope you do not at the same time profess to believe in a free society. That would be supremely hypocritical.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 23, 2023 9:29:32 GMT -5
I cited nothing, in fact didn't even point to an article. I referred generally to the many laws endorsed by the "Christian right" that restrict or outright remove rights granted to minorites of various flavors. I'm not sure whether you honestly don't think there have been any, your head's in the sand, or what. but here's a short list with links. read up, and educate yourself. you may have even heard of some of these already. and again, what did you mean by "for acceptance" there? acceptance of what? (FL) Parental Rights in Education - AKA "Don't Say Gay" effective JUL22 (LA) SB 224 - requires every public school in the state to display the phrase "In God We Trust". also in that link is a reference to (SD) Codified Law 13-24-24 which requires the state to cover expenses related to any lawsuit brought by those opposed to this reference. great use of taxpayer funds, BTW. (MI) HB 4672 *this one hasn't passed yet* mandates the curriculum include "the Christian foundations of the United States" specifically to counter things being taught as part of the 1619 Project. this bill has been proposed by a first-term Rep and retired Christian school teacher. oh, and then there's the laws that have been passed *since* the Dobbs decision, further restricting abortion access past what was already in place as soon as Roe was overturned. you'll have to put down your champagne flute, sorry. these are just a few. (IN) SB-1 (this link is wonky as they do some site maintenance, per the alert currently at the top of the page.) (OK) SB 1503 (AKA "Oklahoma Heartbeat Act") (OK) HB 4327 <- full text. this law prohibits abortion from the moment of conception (SC) HB 4776 - I cannot get the site to pull up. this law allows medical professionals to claim religious exemptions from performing abortions. (WV) HB 302 criminalizes abortion providers, includes other further restrictions Well there you have it I agree with all of those I guess you you do not believe in the bill of rights outside of the second amendment. Despite your(and conservatives) beliefs to the contrary, we are not a Christian nation. We were founded without a state religion. Religion, except for comparative religion classes, does not belong in schools. Children should be indoctrinated into religion on your own time. So much for believing in originalism and strict reading of the constitution
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 23, 2023 9:43:55 GMT -5
Well there you have it I agree with all of those I guess you you do not believe in the bill of rights outside of the second amendment. Despite your(and conservatives) beliefs to the contrary, we are not a Christian nation. We were founded without a state religion. Religion, except for comparative religion classes, does not belong in schools. Children should be indoctrinated into religion on your own time. So much for believing in originalism and strict reading of the constitution It's only originalism when they agree with it. For all their faults and there are A LOT of them, making sure there was no state sanctioned religion and that church/state were separated is one thing they got right.
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