Tina Turner dies at age 83

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Singer Tina Turner, whose soul classics and pop hits like The Best and What's Love Got to Do With It made her a superstar, has died at the age of 83.



Turner had suffered a number of health issues in recent years including cancer, a stroke and kidney failure.



She rose to fame alongside husband Ike in the 1960s with songs including Proud Mary and River Deep, Mountain High.



She divorced the abusive Ike in 1978, and went on to find even greater success as a solo artist in the 1980s.


www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/entertainment-celebrity/music-legend-tina-turner-dies-at-83/ar-AA1bDUzc?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Another icon leaves us in 2023. RIP.    

[kadee79]

Another great gone!  We are losing a lot of them lately..  RIP Tina!  

[busymom]

She was both a survivor and a truly talented artist.  She was a nice person too.  (I worked with the wife of a stage crew member of one of her opening acts.)  She was filled with enough energy for a room full of people.


She will be missed.  Now I need to go play one of her CD's...  

[Tennesseer]

It's not often a singer/musician gets the first ten minutes of the national evening news. But Tina Turner did on ABC's Evening news.

Well deserved recognition.

[djAdvocate]

she renounced her US citizenship.  not sure why.
but that is a fairly radical move.

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May 24, 2023 23:46:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

she renounced her US citizenship.  not sure why.
but that is a fairly radical move.

When?

[billisonboard]

I read this yesterday:

“I pay taxes here (in the US). My family is here,” she told CNN’s Larry King in 1997. “I left America because my (biggest) success was in another country and my boyfriend was in another country. Europe has been very supportive of my music.” link

Not sure on citizenship issue.

[Tennesseer]

Back in 2013, Tina Turner signed her “Statement of Voluntary Relinquishment of U.S. Citizenship under Section 349 (a)(1) of the INA” — the Immigration and Naturalization Act.” At 73 years old, Turner was ready to give up her U.S. citizenship to become a citizen of Switzerland. She had already lived in Switzerland with her second husband, German music producer Erwin Bach, for about 20 years before taking the oath of Swiss nationality. Turner stated she no longer had ties to the U.S. “except for family, and has no plans to reside in the United States in the future.”

Additionally, Turner and Bach couldn’t purchase property in Switzerland without citizenship. There are strict restrictions for foreigners wanting to buy property. This served as an additional incentive for becoming a citizen.

Why Did Tina Turner Relinquish US Citizenship?

[Empire the P.A.]

I read that she had not even seen her two surviving sons (Ike’s sons that she had adopted when she was still married to Ike) in over 20 years. 

[Tennesseer]

May 25, 2023 9:55:44 GMT -5 Empire the P.A. said:

I read that she had not even seen her two surviving sons (Ike’s sons that she had adopted when she was still married to Ike) in over 20 years. 

I have to ask: did the two sons she adopted in the '60s or '70s (she divorced Ike in 1978) ever think of traveling to Switzerland to see her? It's not as if the sons were minors twenty years ago.

[djAdvocate]

wow.  she is even cooler than i thought.

[djAdvocate]

May 25, 2023 9:51:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Back in 2013, Tina Turner signed her “Statement of Voluntary Relinquishment of U.S. Citizenship under Section 349 (a)(1) of the INA” — the Immigration and Naturalization Act.” At 73 years old, Turner was ready to give up her U.S. citizenship to become a citizen of Switzerland. She had already lived in Switzerland with her second husband, German music producer Erwin Bach, for about 20 years before taking the oath of Swiss nationality. Turner stated she no longer had ties to the U.S. “except for family, and has no plans to reside in the United States in the future.”

Additionally, Turner and Bach couldn’t purchase property in Switzerland without citizenship. There are strict restrictions for foreigners wanting to buy property. This served as an additional incentive for becoming a citizen.

Why Did Tina Turner Relinquish US Citizenship?

whoever wrote that didn't research it very well.  Switzerland has allowed for dual citizenship since 1992.  so, she could have become a citizen of Switzerland without renouncing her US citizenship.  

in addition, foreign nationals can own property in Switzerland.  but only a permanent resident or a citizen can own a permanent residence there.  she was already a PR before she became a citizen.

so, yeah- this fails at a couple of levels.

[djAdvocate]

note: the first part of her reason makes sense to me.

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May 25, 2023 17:06:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 25, 2023 9:51:22 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Why Did Tina Turner Relinquish US Citizenship?

whoever wrote that didn't research it very well.  Switzerland has allowed for dual citizenship since 1992.  so, she could have become a citizen of Switzerland without renouncing her US citizenship.  

in addition, foreign nationals can own property in Switzerland.  but only a permanent resident or a citizen can own a permanent residence there.  she was already a PR before she became a citizen.

so, yeah- this fails at a couple of levels.

Hard to know what really happened. She moved to Switzerland in 1995 and maintained businesses here in the US. 

[djAdvocate]

i agree.  it is hard to tell.
judging by her public statements, she lost all interest in the US.

NOTE: because the US is one of two nations on Earth that taxes you even if you are no longer a resident of the country, she may have decided she was tired of giving away money to a country she no longer had any interest in being part of.

[Pink Cashmere]

May 25, 2023 8:35:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I read this yesterday:

“I pay taxes here (in the US). My family is here,” she told CNN’s Larry King in 1997. “I left America because my (biggest) success was in another country and my boyfriend was in another country. Europe has been very supportive of my music.” link

Not sure on citizenship issue.

It’s not something I’ve done a lot of research on, but I get the sense that historically, a lot of African American music artists had more support from fans in Europe, than in the US. IIRC, that was true especially for jazz artists. So even though Tina Turner wasn’t a jazz artist, I can see that being true for her too.

So why not move somewhere where you and your art are appreciated more than the place you call home? And your beau lives there too? I’d probably have done the same if I was her.

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May 25, 2023 19:35:26 GMT -5 Pink Cashmere said:

May 25, 2023 8:35:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I read this yesterday:

“I pay taxes here (in the US). My family is here,” she told CNN’s Larry King in 1997. “I left America because my (biggest) success was in another country and my boyfriend was in another country. Europe has been very supportive of my music.” link

Not sure on citizenship issue.

It’s not something I’ve done a lot of research on, but I get the sense that historically, a lot of African American music artists had more support from fans in Europe, than in the US. IIRC, that was true especially for jazz artists. So even though Tina Turner wasn’t a jazz artist, I can see that being true for her too.

So why not move somewhere where you and your art are appreciated more than the place you call home? And your beau lives there too? I’d probably have done the same if I was her.

it is way easier to make a living as a musician in Europe for three major reasons.

the first is that they take music and art more seriously than we do.  no joke.
the second is that they pay musicians better.
and finally, the cost of living there is lower than here.

it is almost impossible to make it here as a musician.  it is quite possible to do so there.

EDIT: also, the cities are closer together than in the US.  and public transportation is better.  so you can move from city to city to venue to venue less expensively.

[busymom]

I found this today:  

[Spellbound454]

 she renounced her US citizenship. not sure why.

but that is a fairly radical move.

I know that she was very popular over here at a time

when she wasn't popular in the US.

lwww.itv.com/news/2023-05-24/tina-turners-love-affair-with-the-uk-where-top-rockers-relaunched-her-career link

"More popular in England at the time than in the US, she recorded a raspy version of 'Let’s Stay Together' at EMI’s Abbey Road studios in London."


She was in a little low budget rock opera as The Acid Queen

and we all fell in love with her.

Never seen anything like her before or since

[busymom]

I remember seeing her in Tommy.  

[Tennesseer]

Tina Turner's home in Switzerland was more than likely larger than the home in Brownsville/ Nutbush, Tennessee where she grew up.

"She and Bach lived in a $77 million, 24,000-square-foot mansion on Lake Zurich, which has become a makeshift shrine to the singer."

Tina Turner’s Funeral to Be Held in Switzerland; Oprah Winfrey Lands in Zurich After Flying Private Jet to Low-Key Private Service

[djAdvocate]

24000 SF?
that is half an acre!
my BUILDING LOT is that size.

[Opti]

I think he was in music. While it is a huge home. There easily could have been multiple recording studios etc. on the property.

Pic of her and her german husband, date unknown by me.

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May 26, 2023 3:04:10 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

 she renounced her US citizenship. not sure why.

but that is a fairly radical move.

I know that she was very popular over here at a time

when she wasn't popular in the US.

lwww.itv.com/news/2023-05-24/tina-turners-love-affair-with-the-uk-where-top-rockers-relaunched-her-career link

"More popular in England at the time than in the US, she recorded a raspy version of 'Let’s Stay Together' at EMI’s Abbey Road studios in London."


She was in a little low budget rock opera as The Acid Queen

and we all fell in love with her.

Never seen anything like her before or since

Interesting, 1975 baby rock opera. 

[djAdvocate]

May 26, 2023 13:57:37 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think he was in music. While it is a huge home. There easily could have been multiple recording studios etc. on the property.

Pic of her and her german husband, date unknown by me.

German guy named Bach.  you think?

PS- that looks like Lake Geneva.  lovely spot.

[Opti]

Beautiful story. I heard a bit watching the news with perhaps CBS interviewing Gayle and Oprah remotely.
He gave her a kidney in 2017. Wonderful love story, now I think I want to read her book. 


people.com/music/who-is-erwin-bach-tina-turner-husband/


Bach was an executive with the European record label EMI, which worked with acts like Queen, Paul McCartney, Pink Floyd and Radiohead. Turner worked with EMI to distribute her music overseas.



The label broke up into smaller companies in 2012. Before its dissolution, EMI was one of the largest record labels in the music industry.

Turner and Bach met in 1985 at the airport in Düsseldorf, Germany. Bach was sent by EMI to greet the singer as she arrived. In the 2021 HBO documentary Tina, the couple said they had an instant connection from the moment they locked eyes.



"Her manager Roger [Davies] asked me to pick up Tina," Bach recalled in the documentary.



"So Roger said to me, 'Tina, you ride with Erwin,' and I wanted to go, 'Yay!' " Turner added with a laugh. "He was really so good-looking. My heart [was beating fast] and it means that a soul has met, and my hands were shaking."



The pair began a romantic relationship that same year. When Turner and Bach met, he was 30 years old at the time. Turner was 47.

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[djAdvocate]

damn.  that's wonderful.  ain it?