Group accused of making up story about evicting homeless

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vets so a bus of immigrants could take their spaces in a NY state. Sad, but not surprised? You?

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Yup it was on behalf of GOP politics this was done.

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Group accused of making up story about homeless vets being evicted to make room for migrants

NEW YORK (AP) — The founder of a nonprofit group has been accused of fabricating a story about homeless military veterans being evicted from a New York hotel to make room for migrants, a tale that stoked days of outrage on cable news networks.



One Republican lawmaker in New York who helped spread the story is now calling for an investigation, saying he and others were duped.

The uproar began after New York City Mayor Eric Adams, a Democrat, bused a small group of asylum seekers to a suburban hotel as the city's homeless shelter system struggled to accommodate an influx of migrants from the U.S. border with Mexico.



The group's transfer prompted a political backlash from Republican county officials, who accused the mayor of trying to offload his problems on unprepared communities.



Then, the founder of a small charity in the area added an explosive claim: To make way for the migrants, a hotel in Newburgh, New York, evicted nearly two dozen homeless veterans.

[djAdvocate]

scapegoatism.  half a millennia old, and so well worn, it is in the dictionary.

[teen persuasion]

Ugh, the politicians are overreacting on my side of the state. A bunch of counties including mine and surrounding ones are jumping on the bandwagon to block refugees from being bused here from
NYC. They are saying they will fine local hotels $2k per person per night if they accept refugees.

Meanwhile, farms in these rural counties have to jump thru hoops to bring in contract farm workers from other countries because there aren't enough local farm laborers. I saw a long article about a farm in a neighboring town who had elaborate plans to build housing for his contract workers, so he wouldn't have to find rentals scattered about other communities. Lots of details about how he'd have to cut back production w/o them, how great the workers were, how poor their pay was in their home countries ($6/day, or $20/day for backbreaking hazardous work).

A related farm labor issue in the news all winter - NYS is revamping overtime laws for farm workers, and farmers HATE it. Farm worker overtime didn't kick in until 60 hrs/week, instead of the 40 hrs for everyone else.  NYS said not fair, match everyone else. Farmers have been whining ever since about how they can't afford it, can't hire enough workers to avoid overtime, the workers WANT straight 60 and will go elsewhere if they can't get it here, etc.

Recently I was talking with my sis, who works for DHS; she said it's going to be years before these newest immigrants get their scheduled hearings for asylum status, I think she was saying 2030-something, there's such a backlog. So it's to our communal advantage to get them integrated into our society ASAP, they are not temporary visitors.

Gov Hochul is trying to find a way to fast track the immigrants to working. You'd think that's a win-win: get the immigrants earning and off the dole, more of those workers that are needed.

[Tiny]

My neighbor mentioned this yesterday... and I was like "what? that doesn't sound true or right."

The neighbor said the Government (aka Democrats aka Joe Biden) was pushing homeless veterans out of a hotel and moving in illegal immigrants.

And I was like, that sounds really fishy - I know homeless veterans don't always get the help/care they are due - but to push them out of a a veterans program they are already in/using well, that totally sounds fishy to me.

Now, if it's some "charity" or "foundation" that's providing help to veterans and not affiliated with the US Government and not sponsored by the military - they can do whatever they want. Maybe they figured out a way to get more money for their charity/foundation by housing immigrants?? Capitalism at it's best.

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May 21, 2023 16:04:02 GMT -5 Tiny said:

My neighbor mentioned this yesterday... and I was like "what? that doesn't sound true or right."

The neighbor said the Government (aka Democrats aka Joe Biden) was pushing homeless veterans out of a hotel and moving in illegal immigrants.

And I was like, that sounds really fishy - I know homeless veterans don't always get the help/care they are due - but to push them out of a a veterans program they are already in/using well, that totally sounds fishy to me.

Now, if it's some "charity" or "foundation" that's providing help to veterans and not affiliated with the US Government and not sponsored by the military - they can do whatever they want. Maybe they figured out a way to get more money for their charity/foundation by housing immigrants?? Capitalism at it's best.

It's not. I'll look and see if I can find the other article I read on this.

1) No veterans were involved
2) Local homeless people were paid to pretend to be veterans
3) The hotel did not kick anyone out to provide housing. No one.

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Fox News falls for another hoax, as the Dominion defamation settlement pays off

On Friday night, Fox News' Laura Ingraham did something nearly unheard of on the propaganda-masquerading-as-news network: She admitted that a story Fox had been hyping was wrong.

For a week, Fox News and other right-wing outlets had been heavily hyping claims that "homeless veterans" were being forced out of a hotel in upstate New York to make room for Central American refugees. Due to diligent reporting from local reporters at the Mid Hudson News, however, the story quickly unraveled. The hotel denied the claims and had receipts to refute the right-wing narrative. By the end of the week, the Mid Hudson News had a group of homeless men ready to talk about how Sharon Toney-Finch, the source of this tale and the head of a veteran advocacy group, had recruited them to pretend they were the displaced veterans. The whole thing was a hoax.

"Turns out the group behind the claim made it up," Ingraham said, in a rare moment of honesty. However, she swiftly returned to the comfier space of mendacity, saying, "We have no clue as to why anyone would do such a thing."

This, of course, is total nonsense. Ingraham knows exactly why someone would fake such a story: Because it works. Whether Toney-Finch's goals were money, fame, or politics, she appears to have correctly surmised that a surefire way to get wall-to-wall coverage in right-wing media is to roll out some B.S. story that validates the bigoted beliefs of their audience. Indeed, history shows that hoaxes and fake stories like this don't just routinely take off in right-wing media, but often gain enough momentum to launch into the mainstream media, giving the lies more traction and validation across the political spectrum. That's what happened with "Clinton's emails," a nothingburger story that nonetheless got lodged into voters' imaginations because mainstream journalists kept asking then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to explain herself, without ever telling audiences there was nothing to explain.

Rest of article here: Fox News falls for another hoax, as the Dominion defamation settlement pays off

[djAdvocate]

May 23, 2023 8:19:14 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Fox News falls for another hoax, as the Dominion defamation settlement pays off

On Friday night, Fox News' Laura Ingraham did something nearly unheard of on the propaganda-masquerading-as-news network: She admitted that a story Fox had been hyping was wrong.

For a week, Fox News and other right-wing outlets had been heavily hyping claims that "homeless veterans" were being forced out of a hotel in upstate New York to make room for Central American refugees. Due to diligent reporting from local reporters at the Mid Hudson News, however, the story quickly unraveled. The hotel denied the claims and had receipts to refute the right-wing narrative. By the end of the week, the Mid Hudson News had a group of homeless men ready to talk about how Sharon Toney-Finch, the source of this tale and the head of a veteran advocacy group, had recruited them to pretend they were the displaced veterans. The whole thing was a hoax.

"Turns out the group behind the claim made it up," Ingraham said, in a rare moment of honesty. However, she swiftly returned to the comfier space of mendacity, saying, "We have no clue as to why anyone would do such a thing."

This, of course, is total nonsense. Ingraham knows exactly why someone would fake such a story: Because it works. Whether Toney-Finch's goals were money, fame, or politics, she appears to have correctly surmised that a surefire way to get wall-to-wall coverage in right-wing media is to roll out some B.S. story that validates the bigoted beliefs of their audience. Indeed, history shows that hoaxes and fake stories like this don't just routinely take off in right-wing media, but often gain enough momentum to launch into the mainstream media, giving the lies more traction and validation across the political spectrum. That's what happened with "Clinton's emails," a nothingburger story that nonetheless got lodged into voters' imaginations because mainstream journalists kept asking then-presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to explain herself, without ever telling audiences there was nothing to explain.

Rest of article here: Fox News falls for another hoax, as the Dominion defamation settlement pays off

that highlighted portion is an absolute mic-drop.  it is wonderful to hear the media talking this way.  very gratifying.

[djAdvocate]

congrats to rip for NOT posting this as if it were true.  

[swamp]

May 21, 2023 16:04:02 GMT -5 Tiny said:

My neighbor mentioned this yesterday... and I was like "what? that doesn't sound true or right."

The neighbor said the Government (aka Democrats aka Joe Biden) was pushing homeless veterans out of a hotel and moving in illegal immigrants.

And I was like, that sounds really fishy - I know homeless veterans don't always get the help/care they are due - but to push them out of a a veterans program they are already in/using well, that totally sounds fishy to me.

Now, if it's some "charity" or "foundation" that's providing help to veterans and not affiliated with the US Government and not sponsored by the military - they can do whatever they want. Maybe they figured out a way to get more money for their charity/foundation by housing immigrants?? Capitalism at it's best.

My rep Elise Stefanik (who is gunning to be Trump's VP) got her panties all in a wad about this and had a release about how she's not going to let this happen.  No retraction, of course. 

[djAdvocate]

May 23, 2023 12:36:34 GMT -5 swamp said:

May 21, 2023 16:04:02 GMT -5 Tiny said:

My neighbor mentioned this yesterday... and I was like "what? that doesn't sound true or right."

The neighbor said the Government (aka Democrats aka Joe Biden) was pushing homeless veterans out of a hotel and moving in illegal immigrants.

And I was like, that sounds really fishy - I know homeless veterans don't always get the help/care they are due - but to push them out of a a veterans program they are already in/using well, that totally sounds fishy to me.

Now, if it's some "charity" or "foundation" that's providing help to veterans and not affiliated with the US Government and not sponsored by the military - they can do whatever they want. Maybe they figured out a way to get more money for their charity/foundation by housing immigrants?? Capitalism at it's best.

My rep Elise Stefanik (who is gunning to be Trump's VP) got her panties all in a wad about this and had a release about how she's not going to let this happen.  No retraction, of course. 

this is how lies are born.  and ES is DIRECTLY responsible if she doesn't retract.

[swamp]

May 23, 2023 12:39:41 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 23, 2023 12:36:34 GMT -5 swamp said:

My rep Elise Stefanik (who is gunning to be Trump's VP) got her panties all in a wad about this and had a release about how she's not going to let this happen.  No retraction, of course. 

this is how lies are born.  and ES is DIRECTLY responsible if she doesn't retract.

ES is a putz. 

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What I found most interesting about all of it, is someone *did pay homeless people to pretend to be veterans*.
So apparently there are many ways to be a paid actor for parts of the GOP. You just need to be near something that is happening and be poor enough they offer you some money to pretend to be someone else.

Wonder if that could be put on an acting resume? Hmmmmmmmmm

[djAdvocate]

May 23, 2023 13:43:25 GMT -5 Opti said:

What I found most interesting about all of it, is someone *did pay homeless people to pretend to be veterans*.
So apparently there are many ways to be a paid actor for parts of the GOP. You just need to be near something that is happening and be poor enough they offer you some money to pretend to be someone else.

Wonder if that could be put on an acting resume? Hmmmmmmmmm

people are routinely paid to attend Trump events.  

particularly the FIRST event, where he came down the escalator.  

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May 23, 2023 16:10:19 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 23, 2023 13:43:25 GMT -5 Opti said:

What I found most interesting about all of it, is someone *did pay homeless people to pretend to be veterans*.
So apparently there are many ways to be a paid actor for parts of the GOP. You just need to be near something that is happening and be poor enough they offer you some money to pretend to be someone else.

Wonder if that could be put on an acting resume? Hmmmmmmmmm

people are routinely paid to attend Trump events.  

particularly the FIRST event, where he came down the escalator.  

I think Trump learned how to stack an audience from his time on The Apprentice.

[ripvanwinkle]

May 23, 2023 12:17:23 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

congrats to rip for NOT posting this as if it were true.  

When I heard this story I said no way. It has to be a fake story.