Disney now on a leash?

[Tiny]

This is kind of scary... in the past corporations seemed to have a lot of sway over government.... 

And here is the GOP seemingly punishing a Corporation: 

www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/politics/desantis-disney-reedy-creek/index.html

Or is this a push to get more money for the politicians in Florida? 


I know local governments  pressure local businesses and visa versa.    But I'm not sure it's on small time moral issues.    

I think this already effecting some of the streaming offerings by Disney...   to have less LGBTQ themes or characters.     

[Tennesseer]

[Opti]

This was in process for months in response to Disney speaking out against the Don't say Gay bill or whatever it was titled. It will hurt Disney, but it also will cost Florida taxpayers as well. 

[billisonboard]

What percentage of Disney is Disney World in Florida? How much impact does this have on their total operation? I don't know but am thinking it really isn't that much.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Imagine the massive economic hole left behind if Disney and its entities decided to leave FL.

[billisonboard]

Mar 1, 2023 9:35:23 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Imagine the massive economic hole left behind if Disney and its entities decided to leave FL.

I wonder how that could play out. Disney can't move the structures of Disney World. Level it? Selling it? Maybe. But that would decrease the hit to Florida.

And the thread is about Disney on a leash. If it is actually that big a dog, could Florida control it?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Mar 1, 2023 9:53:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 1, 2023 9:35:23 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Imagine the massive economic hole left behind if Disney and its entities decided to leave FL.

I wonder how that could play out. Disney can't move the structures of Disney World. Level it? Selling it? Maybe. But that would decrease the hit to Florida.

And the thread is about Disney on a leash. If it is actually that big a dog, could Florida control it?

Disney could decide they don't want the leash. It was a random thought that I wanted to comment. 

[billisonboard]

Mar 1, 2023 10:03:30 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Mar 1, 2023 9:53:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I wonder how that could play out. Disney can't move the structures of Disney World. Level it? Selling it? Maybe. But that would decrease the hit to Florida.

And the thread is about Disney on a leash. If it is actually that big a dog, could Florida control it?

Disney could decide they don't want the leash. It was a random thought that I wanted to comment. 

mine are pretty much just random thoughts as well.

[Tiny]

Mar 1, 2023 8:55:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

What percentage of Disney is Disney World in Florida? How much impact does this have on their total operation? I don't know but am thinking it really isn't that much.

Disney's headquarters are in California.   So, this just effects Disney World in Florida.    I guess it will all come down to how important Disney World is to Disney's income.   Not sure if Disney World Florida still holds the same "magic" for today's (and tomorrow's) generation(s).      

This is the part that MIGHT put Disney on a leash...

The new law amounts to a state takeover of the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the government body that has given Disney unique powers in Central Florida for more than half a century. It allows the governor to replace the district’s existing board – mostly people with ties to Disney – with a five-member body that he hand-picks.

I think this means that for somethings Disney will need to get the cooperation of this Board.    This MIGHT effect any changes/uses Disney wants to implement to it's parks/resorts/hotels  in Disney World.  In that the Board could require Disney to change the way it runs it's business in Florida in subtle ways.     This isn't anything new in the way the world works.    

Disney is in direct competition with Universal in Florida.    I'm not sure how expensive it is to keep up with that competition.  (I'm guessing tourists want to see new stuff - not necessarily "old" stuff). 
Can Disney keep all their Princesses in demand?? 
 
FWIW:  this might be a great way for Disney to let a slow decline remove an outdated/unwanted perhaps "money pit" expense get removed from it's balance sheet.    OR a way for Disney to rebrand/reengineer Disney World

Remember - everyone involved in this has some long term goal/plan.   I'm sure Disney and the State of Florida are playing a long game. 


I wonder what "strings" the State of Florida has attached to Universal Studios in Florida?    



 

  

[tractor]

I suspect this will be a relatively minor, and temporary bump in the road. The new Governor appointees to the board will receive large cash salaries, all the while claiming they are "eliminating the woke culture". In the end, Disney will fund whoever runs against DeSantis and use their powerful media wing (remember they own ABC, ESPN, and others), to regain their independence.

Most will notice no change, it's all a smoke screen to make DeSantis appear more powerful than he really is. Disney World is much too big to simply pick up and move. Should they have stayed out of politics(?), maybe, but since they are the largest employer in the state, and they have a large percentage of LBQT employees, they needed to do something to combat the BS the Governor was throwing around.

[Tennesseer]

As a side note....

Florida Republicans Introduce Bill to Literally ‘Cancel’ the State’s Democratic Party

Republicans, the party that keeps trying to outlaw basic human rights, are at it again. In Florida, Republicans are trying to “cancel” the Democratic party in the state. Yes, the same people who say cancel culture is ruining the country are trying to cancel their political opponents. I guess getting rid of healthcare for their constituents and eliminating books from schools wasn’t enough for them.

In a move that reeks of fascism, Florida Man (and state senator) Blaise Ingoglia filed SB 1248 on February 23rd. If passed and signed into law, “The Ultimate Cancel Act” (its actual name) would dissolve the state’s Democrats as a party on July 1st of this year. I’m not an expert on constitutional law, but this whole thing seems pretty wild. It is all a giant exercise in stupidity.

How the hell can you get rid of a political party?
The text of the bill never says they are getting rid of Democrats, but the verbiage would make the cancellation apply only to that party. Basically, the bill would dissolve any party that’s “platform has previously advocated for, or been in support of, slavery or involuntary servitude.” Prior to and during the Civil War, southern Democrats supported slavery. They were the ones responsible for seceding from the union and trying to keep Black Americans enslaved. It is just ridiculous to draw the line there because Florida was a slave state, regardless of what political party was in charge. Not to mention that the modern Democratic platform (started in the 1930s under President Franklin Delano Roosevelt) has no real connection to what was going on in the 1800s.

If the bill went into effect, the Democrats of Florida would be de-platformed and all Florida voters registered as Democrats would have to register with an existing party to vote in any upcoming elections. So, again, instead of helping the citizens of Florida, the GOP is looking to control their citizens even more. The bill also stipulates that the party would have to reorganize as a new party, with a new party name never used before. May I suggest the “Republicans are Asshats” party?

Link to Bill SB 1248. SB 1248

In response to this absurd bill, the Florida Democrats had this to say:

“Presenting a bill that would disenfranchise 5 million voters is both unconstitutional and unserious. Under Ron DeSantis, Senator Ingoglia is using his office to push bills that are nothing more than publicity stunts instead of focusing on the issues that matter most to Floridians, such as reforming property insurance, addressing housing affordability, and combating climate change.”

Ingoglia said he introduced the bill because “For years now, leftist activists have been trying to ‘cancel’ people and companies for things they have said or done in the past. This includes the removal of statues and memorials, and the renaming of buildings. Using this standard, it would be hypocritical not to cancel the Democratic Party itself for the same reason.” Getting rid of statues that further the Jim Crow racist agenda and removing the names of American traitors from public buildings is not the same thing as trying to dissolve an entire group of people that object to your platform.

Florida Republicans Introduce Bill to Literally ‘Cancel’ the State’s Democratic Party

[Tennesseer]

DeSantis' Disney appointee suggested tap water turns men gay: report

A man appointed to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' Disney oversight board has a history of making anti-LGBTQ comments, including a claim that tap water could be turning people gay, CNN reported.

Ron Peri, an Orlando-based former pastor and the CEO of a Christian ministry, is one of five people who will oversee the Reedy Creek Improvement District, the government body that has given Disney unique powers in Central Florida for more than half a century, according to CNN.

In a January 2022 Zoom call, Ron Peri asked, “So why are there homosexuals today?"

"There are any number of reasons, you know, that are given. Some would say the increase in estrogen in our societies. You know, there’s estrogen in the water from birth control pills. They can’t get it out,” Peri said. “The level of testosterone in men broadly in America has declined by 50 points in the past 10 years. You know, and so, maybe that’s a part of it.”

“But the big part I would suggest to you, based upon what it’s saying here, is the removal of constraint,” he continued. “So our society provided the constraint. And so, which is the responsibility of a society to constrain people from doing evil? Well, you remove the constraints, and then evil occurs.”

As CNN points out, testosterone levels in men have been inexplicably dropping in recent decades, but not at the 50 percent rate that Peri claims. Also, there's no proof that a drop in testosterone in men can lead to them being gay.

In the same speech, Peri called homosexuality “shameful,” and said it leads to disease.

“There are a lot of unhealthy effects of a homosexual lifestyle. There are diseases, but it goes beyond that," he said, adding that gay people don't care about the future since they can't have children.

From CNN: "Peri’s appointment to the oversight board comes after a long-standing battle between DeSantis and Disney over the Parental Rights in Education Act – which critics have called Florida’s 'Don’t Say Gay' law. The law bars schools from teaching about sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through third-grade classrooms and in older classrooms that do not meet yet-to-be-defined standards."

DeSantis' Disney appointee suggested tap water turns men gay: report

[pulmonarymd]

Republicans associate only with the smartest, finest people. Haven’t you learned that from DJT and MTG

[weltschmerz]

Mar 2, 2023 11:23:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

As a side note....

Florida Republicans Introduce Bill to Literally ‘Cancel’ the State’s Democratic Party

Republicans, the party that keeps trying to outlaw basic human rights, are at it again. In Florida, Republicans are trying to “cancel” the Democratic party in the state. Yes, the same people who say cancel culture is ruining the country are trying to cancel their political opponents. I guess getting rid of healthcare for their constituents and eliminating books from schools wasn’t enough for them.

In a move that reeks of fascism, Florida Man (and state senator) Blaise Ingoglia filed SB 1248 on February 23rd. If passed and signed into law, “The Ultimate Cancel Act” (its actual name) would dissolve the state’s Democrats as a party on July 1st of this year. I’m not an expert on constitutional law, but this whole thing seems pretty wild. It is all a giant exercise in stupidity.

How the hell can you get rid of a political party?
The text of the bill never says they are getting rid of Democrats, but the verbiage would make the cancellation apply only to that party. Basically, the bill would dissolve any party that’s “platform has previously advocated for, or been in support of, slavery or involuntary servitude.” Prior to and during the Civil War, southern Democrats supported slavery. They were the ones responsible for seceding from the union and trying to keep Black Americans enslaved. It is just ridiculous to draw the line there because Florida was a slave state, regardless of what political party was in charge. Not to mention that the modern Democratic platform (started in the 1930s under President Franklin Delano Roosevelt) has no real connection to what was going on in the 1800s.

If the bill went into effect, the Democrats of Florida would be de-platformed and all Florida voters registered as Democrats would have to register with an existing party to vote in any upcoming elections. So, again, instead of helping the citizens of Florida, the GOP is looking to control their citizens even more. The bill also stipulates that the party would have to reorganize as a new party, with a new party name never used before. May I suggest the “Republicans are Asshats” party?

Link to Bill SB 1248. SB 1248

In response to this absurd bill, the Florida Democrats had this to say:

“Presenting a bill that would disenfranchise 5 million voters is both unconstitutional and unserious. Under Ron DeSantis, Senator Ingoglia is using his office to push bills that are nothing more than publicity stunts instead of focusing on the issues that matter most to Floridians, such as reforming property insurance, addressing housing affordability, and combating climate change.”

Ingoglia said he introduced the bill because “For years now, leftist activists have been trying to ‘cancel’ people and companies for things they have said or done in the past. This includes the removal of statues and memorials, and the renaming of buildings. Using this standard, it would be hypocritical not to cancel the Democratic Party itself for the same reason.” Getting rid of statues that further the Jim Crow racist agenda and removing the names of American traitors from public buildings is not the same thing as trying to dissolve an entire group of people that object to your platform.

Florida Republicans Introduce Bill to Literally ‘Cancel’ the State’s Democratic Party

I'd like to see the Democratic Party replaced with the Communist Party, and watch the heads explode!

[Opti]

Mar 4, 2023 13:24:00 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Mar 2, 2023 11:23:05 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

As a side note....

Florida Republicans Introduce Bill to Literally ‘Cancel’ the State’s Democratic Party

Republicans, the party that keeps trying to outlaw basic human rights, are at it again. In Florida, Republicans are trying to “cancel” the Democratic party in the state. Yes, the same people who say cancel culture is ruining the country are trying to cancel their political opponents. I guess getting rid of healthcare for their constituents and eliminating books from schools wasn’t enough for them.

In a move that reeks of fascism, Florida Man (and state senator) Blaise Ingoglia filed SB 1248 on February 23rd. If passed and signed into law, “The Ultimate Cancel Act” (its actual name) would dissolve the state’s Democrats as a party on July 1st of this year. I’m not an expert on constitutional law, but this whole thing seems pretty wild. It is all a giant exercise in stupidity.

How the hell can you get rid of a political party?
The text of the bill never says they are getting rid of Democrats, but the verbiage would make the cancellation apply only to that party. Basically, the bill would dissolve any party that’s “platform has previously advocated for, or been in support of, slavery or involuntary servitude.” Prior to and during the Civil War, southern Democrats supported slavery. They were the ones responsible for seceding from the union and trying to keep Black Americans enslaved. It is just ridiculous to draw the line there because Florida was a slave state, regardless of what political party was in charge. Not to mention that the modern Democratic platform (started in the 1930s under President Franklin Delano Roosevelt) has no real connection to what was going on in the 1800s.

If the bill went into effect, the Democrats of Florida would be de-platformed and all Florida voters registered as Democrats would have to register with an existing party to vote in any upcoming elections. So, again, instead of helping the citizens of Florida, the GOP is looking to control their citizens even more. The bill also stipulates that the party would have to reorganize as a new party, with a new party name never used before. May I suggest the “Republicans are Asshats” party?

Link to Bill SB 1248. SB 1248

In response to this absurd bill, the Florida Democrats had this to say:

“Presenting a bill that would disenfranchise 5 million voters is both unconstitutional and unserious. Under Ron DeSantis, Senator Ingoglia is using his office to push bills that are nothing more than publicity stunts instead of focusing on the issues that matter most to Floridians, such as reforming property insurance, addressing housing affordability, and combating climate change.”

Ingoglia said he introduced the bill because “For years now, leftist activists have been trying to ‘cancel’ people and companies for things they have said or done in the past. This includes the removal of statues and memorials, and the renaming of buildings. Using this standard, it would be hypocritical not to cancel the Democratic Party itself for the same reason.” Getting rid of statues that further the Jim Crow racist agenda and removing the names of American traitors from public buildings is not the same thing as trying to dissolve an entire group of people that object to your platform.

Florida Republicans Introduce Bill to Literally ‘Cancel’ the State’s Democratic Party

I'd like to see the Democratic Party replaced with the Communist Party, and watch the heads explode!

I wouldn't, the Communist party already exists, and the crazy folk already assume they are the same thing. Maybe you want the US to burn, but I do not.

[weltschmerz]

Mar 4, 2023 14:02:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 4, 2023 13:24:00 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

I'd like to see the Democratic Party replaced with the Communist Party, and watch the heads explode!

I wouldn't, the Communist party already exists, and the crazy folk already assume they are the same thing. Maybe you want the US to burn, but I do not.

That's my point exactly. What are they going to do, ban every single party except for the Republican party?

In any case, the US is already burning, with rights being stripped away by batshit crazy religious zealots.

[Opti]

Mar 4, 2023 14:47:05 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Mar 4, 2023 14:02:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

I wouldn't, the Communist party already exists, and the crazy folk already assume they are the same thing. Maybe you want the US to burn, but I do not.

That's my point exactly. What are they going to do, ban every single party except for the Republican party?

In any case, the US is already burning, with rights being stripped away by batshit crazy religious zealots.

And some states are moving to enshrine rights. Both Illinois and New Jersey have made abortion legal. 

[weltschmerz]

Mar 4, 2023 14:58:52 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 4, 2023 14:47:05 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

That's my point exactly. What are they going to do, ban every single party except for the Republican party?

In any case, the US is already burning, with rights being stripped away by batshit crazy religious zealots.

And some states are moving to enshrine rights. Both Illinois and New Jersey have made abortion legal. 

I'm not just talking about abortion.   There's book banning, gay rights, freedom of speech rights, etc.

[Tiny]

Mar 4, 2023 14:58:52 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mar 4, 2023 14:47:05 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

That's my point exactly. What are they going to do, ban every single party except for the Republican party?

In any case, the US is already burning, with rights being stripped away by batshit crazy religious zealots.

And some states are moving to enshrine rights. Both Illinois and New Jersey have made abortion legal. 

But now the Conservative Right is going after one of the medications. I think their goal is "sure, make abortion legal in your state - but too bad for you! Everything you need to accomplish it will be illegal nationally. "

www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/politics/fda-medication-abortion-lawsuit-mifepristone/index.html


I find it quite enlightening - that the Supreme Court said that States should be able to decide if abortions should be legal or not... and here we have the courts moving to make abortions illegal and that national level.

[pulmonarymd]

Just shows you the lying that republicans were doing. They claim it is a states rights issue, like scgal said here repeatedly. But they still want to ban it nationally. If it is a states rights issue, they should be done legislating at a national level, and be fine with federal lawsuits and the Supreme Court on this issue

[swamp]

Mar 1, 2023 9:53:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Mar 1, 2023 9:35:23 GMT -5 Cheesy FL-Vol said:

Imagine the massive economic hole left behind if Disney and its entities decided to leave FL.

I wonder how that could play out. Disney can't move the structures of Disney World. Level it? Selling it? Maybe. But that would decrease the hit to Florida.

And the thread is about Disney on a leash. If it is actually that big a dog, could Florida control it?

Disney has over 77,000 employees and is one of the largest employers in Florida. 

It's a really big dog.  And I think it may come back to bite DeSantis. 

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Mar 6, 2023 9:57:53 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 1, 2023 9:53:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I wonder how that could play out. Disney can't move the structures of Disney World. Level it? Selling it? Maybe. But that would decrease the hit to Florida.

And the thread is about Disney on a leash. If it is actually that big a dog, could Florida control it?

Disney has over 77,000 employees and is one of the largest employers in Florida. 

It's a really big dog.  And I think it may come back to bite DeSantis. 

In addition, take into consideration the massive numbers of peripheral businesses that depend on visitors to the Orlando area.

[djAdvocate]

Mar 6, 2023 9:57:53 GMT -5 swamp said:

Mar 1, 2023 9:53:20 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I wonder how that could play out. Disney can't move the structures of Disney World. Level it? Selling it? Maybe. But that would decrease the hit to Florida.

And the thread is about Disney on a leash. If it is actually that big a dog, could Florida control it?

Disney has over 77,000 employees and is one of the largest employers in Florida. 

It's a really big dog.  And I think it may come back to bite DeSantis. 

unlike doofus, it is also one of the most LOVED institutions in America.