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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 14:18:46 GMT -5
Sports psychologist files civil suit accusing former San Antonio Spurs player of exposing himself during therapy sessionsA sports psychologist, who was under contract with the NBA’s San Antonio Spurs, has filed a civil lawsuit against the organization and 19-year-old former Spurs player Joshua Primo.
The psychologist alleges the player exposed himself to her during therapy sessions and claimed the organization’s leadership failed to act despite her “numerous complaints about Primo’s improper sexual conduct,” according to a court filing. I am thinking that a psychologist should be prepared to deal with inappropriate behavior. Thoughts?
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 14:36:55 GMT -5
It sounds like the psychologist was prepared to deal with Primo's inappropriate behavior. She went thru the proper chain of command without resolving the issue and then filed a civil suit. (I would be a bad psychologist - the second time a patient exposed himself to me - I'd be whipping out one of those old time water/sheltzer sprayers, use it on him while saying something like "No! No!" like you do when you spray water at a cat or a dog to get them to stop inappropriate behavior.   .
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 4, 2022 14:46:46 GMT -5
So a healthcare professional needs to just accept sexual harassment as part of their job. Do we also have to deal with physical violence too. Is whipping it out ok? Is touching her OK? Is masturbating in front of her OK? Where is the line? We are expected to put up with a lot of questionable(or worse) behavior. Do we just suck it up?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 14:46:58 GMT -5
It sounds like the psychologist was prepared to deal with Primo's inappropriate behavior. She went thru the proper chain of command without resolving the issue and then filed a civil suit. (I would be a bad psychologist - the second time a patient exposed himself to me - I'd be whipping out one of those old time water/sheltzer sprayers, use it on him while saying something like "No! No!" like you do when you spray water at a cat or a dog to get them to stop inappropriate behavior.   . If she were a professional coach hired to improve his jumpshot, I would fully agree. She is a psychologist.
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Post by chiver78 on Nov 4, 2022 15:03:23 GMT -5
So a healthcare professional needs to just accept sexual harassment as part of their job. Do we also have to deal with physical violence too. Is whipping it out ok? Is touching her OK? Is masturbating in front of her OK? Where is the line? We are expected to put up with a lot of questionable(or worse) behavior. Do we just suck it up? this. I also have to wonder if her complaints were dismissed because she's a little woman. would a male psychologist have been ignored?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 4, 2022 15:13:46 GMT -5
So a healthcare professional needs to just accept sexual harassment as part of their job. Do we also have to deal with physical violence too. Is whipping it out ok? Is touching her OK? Is masturbating in front of her OK? Where is the line? We are expected to put up with a lot of questionable(or worse) behavior. Do we just suck it up? this. I also have to wonder if her complaints were dismissed because she's a little woman. would a male psychologist have been ignored? He wouldn't pull that crap in front of a male professional. He did it on purpose and knew what he was doing. Doesn't sound like he was delirious or delusional. Behavior was volitional. Threats and the like have gotten worse. We have traditionally put up with bad behavior, but it has now gotten worse. Can't tell you how many times people will threaten to sue us as well.
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 15:24:53 GMT -5
It sounds like the psychologist was prepared to deal with Primo's inappropriate behavior. She went thru the proper chain of command without resolving the issue and then filed a civil suit. (I would be a bad psychologist - the second time a patient exposed himself to me - I'd be whipping out one of those old time water/sheltzer sprayers, use it on him while saying something like "No! No!" like you do when you spray water at a cat or a dog to get them to stop inappropriate behavior. . If she were a professional coach hired to improve his jumpshot, I would fully agree. She is a psychologist. Huh. Does it matter what mental health issues she was treating Primo for? Was she treating him for his inappropriate sexually deviant behaviors (I'm sure his loved ones, family, friends and coworkers have experienced it are happy he's getting help. Which makes me wonder if he has ever exposed himself during a game when he didn't like a ref's call or when he's made an impossible 3 point shot??) If he was in her care for some other mental health reason - then I have to strongly disagree with you. I'm guessing exposing oneself to one's therapist is not part of working thru anxiety or depression or low self esteem or CPSTD issues... (ok those are just some reasons I know of where someone might see a physcologist)
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 15:26:49 GMT -5
So a healthcare professional needs to just accept sexual harassment as part of their job. Do we also have to deal with physical violence too. Is whipping it out ok? Is touching her OK? Is masturbating in front of her OK? Where is the line? We are expected to put up with a lot of questionable(or worse) behavior. Do we just suck it up? I work in a school with a 12 year old non-verbal autistic youngster. Yesterday he headbutted me. Hurt like hell. It is part of the job and I deal with it and other physical attacks. Fortunately he hasn't hit puberty yet but when he does he will likely whip it out and masturbate. Dealing with that will also be part of the job when the time comes. "Educational professionals" shouldn't accept being physically assaulted. I have actually been in juvenile court twice after being hit by other students. But when I took this particular job, I assumed certain risks. I don't lump all "healthcare professionals" into one group. Pediatricians get peed on and need to deal with it. Orthopedic Surgeons shouldn't tolerate it being done to them. Psychologists deal with mental issues. The patient in question clearly had them. She needed to either work with him to solve them or stop treating him.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 15:29:56 GMT -5
this. I also have to wonder if her complaints were dismissed because she's a little woman. would a male psychologist have been ignored? He wouldn't pull that crap in front of a male professional. He did it on purpose and knew what he was doing. Doesn't sound like he was delirious or delusional. Behavior was volitional. Threats and the like have gotten worse. We have traditionally put up with bad behavior, but it has now gotten worse. Can't tell you how many times people will threaten to sue us as well. Interesting diagnosis.
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 15:37:05 GMT -5
So a healthcare professional needs to just accept sexual harassment as part of their job. Do we also have to deal with physical violence too. Is whipping it out ok? Is touching her OK? Is masturbating in front of her OK? Where is the line? We are expected to put up with a lot of questionable(or worse) behavior. Do we just suck it up? I work in a school with a 12 year old non-verbal autistic youngster. Yesterday he headbutted me. Hurt like hell. It is part of the job and I deal with it and other physical attacks. Fortunately he hasn't hit puberty yet but when he does he will likely whip it out and masturbate. Dealing with that will also be part of the job when the time comes. "Educational professionals" shouldn't accept being physically assaulted. I have actually been in juvenile court twice after being hit by other students. But when I took this particular job, I assumed certain risks. I don't lump all "healthcare professionals" into one group. Pediatricians get peed on and need to deal with it. Orthopedic Surgeons shouldn't tolerate it being done to them. Psychologists deal with mental issues. The patient in question clearly had them. She needed to either work with him to solve them or stop treating him. So you more or less expect that all the kids in the school (I assume there are some neurotypical kids enrolled) are likely to headbutt you and will someday masturbate in class? Do workers in schools/classrooms without autistic kids expect to have that kind of behavior happen? Are you assuming the psychologist is treating Primo for inappropriate sexual behavior? (I skimmed the article linked and I don't recall it mentioning WHY Primo needed mental health care.)
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 15:39:35 GMT -5
If she were a professional coach hired to improve his jumpshot, I would fully agree. She is a psychologist. Huh. Does it matter what mental health issues she was treating Primo for? Was she treating him for his inappropriate sexually deviant behaviors (I'm sure his loved ones, family, friends and coworkers have experienced it are happy he's getting help. Which makes me wonder if he has ever exposed himself during a game when he didn't like a ref's call or when he's made an impossible 3 point shot??) If he was in her care for some other mental health reason - then I have to strongly disagree with you. I'm guessing exposing oneself to one's therapist is not part of working thru anxiety or depression or low self esteem or CPSTD issues... (ok those are just some reasons I know of where someone might see a physcologist) Since we are guessing, I am going to guess she was treating this young man for the stresses of being a 19-year-old professional athlete. I can easily see how struggles with sexual boundaries could be a major issue in such a life.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 4, 2022 15:41:12 GMT -5
So a healthcare professional needs to just accept sexual harassment as part of their job. Do we also have to deal with physical violence too. Is whipping it out ok? Is touching her OK? Is masturbating in front of her OK? Where is the line? We are expected to put up with a lot of questionable(or worse) behavior. Do we just suck it up? I work in a school with a 12 year old non-verbal autistic youngster. Yesterday he headbutted me. Hurt like hell. It is part of the job and I deal with it and other physical attacks. Fortunately he hasn't hit puberty yet but when he does he will likely whip it out and masturbate. Dealing with that will also be part of the job when the time comes. "Educational professionals" shouldn't accept being physically assaulted. I have actually been in juvenile court twice after being hit by other students. But when I took this particular job, I assumed certain risks. I don't lump all "healthcare professionals" into one group. Pediatricians get peed on and need to deal with it. Orthopedic Surgeons shouldn't tolerate it being done to them. Psychologists deal with mental issues. The patient in question clearly had them. She needed to either work with him to solve them or stop treating him. So you don't enforce limits on behavior? Expect they will comply with expectations, and punish them when they don't? I have been assaulted as well/ An alcoholic going through DTs tried to choke me. Did not file charges due to the fact that it was not volitional. Just because he has mental issues does not mean he cannot behave in expected an expected manor. He was on the team, so he had the mental capacity to learn plays, understand game situations and the like. He could follow the rules well enough to remain on the team. You think he was delirious or delusional? He had enough mental capacity to understand situational behavior. He didn't whip it out on the court
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 15:44:28 GMT -5
OK, I read all the words in the article:
"Their" is the lawyer for Primo. Buzbee is the lawyer for the psycologist.
Isn't part of mental healthcare finding a therapist (or psychologist) who's a "good fit" for the patient? From what I've read online (ok, not a really good source) it seems that people who seek mental health generally don't stick with the first one that treats them. They may transition/churn thru a string of therapists/doctors before finding one that is a "good fit".
Why did the Spurs let the situation go on for months after they were told by the psychologist that there were issues?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 15:45:36 GMT -5
I work in a school with a 12 year old non-verbal autistic youngster. Yesterday he headbutted me. Hurt like hell. It is part of the job and I deal with it and other physical attacks. Fortunately he hasn't hit puberty yet but when he does he will likely whip it out and masturbate. Dealing with that will also be part of the job when the time comes. "Educational professionals" shouldn't accept being physically assaulted. I have actually been in juvenile court twice after being hit by other students. But when I took this particular job, I assumed certain risks. I don't lump all "healthcare professionals" into one group. Pediatricians get peed on and need to deal with it. Orthopedic Surgeons shouldn't tolerate it being done to them. Psychologists deal with mental issues. The patient in question clearly had them. She needed to either work with him to solve them or stop treating him. So you don't enforce limits on behavior? Expect they will comply with expectations, and punish them when they don't? I have been assaulted as well/ An alcoholic going through DTs tried to choke me. Did not file charges due to the fact that it was not volitional. Just because he has mental issues does not mean he cannot behave in expected an expected manor. He was on the team, so he had the mental capacity to learn plays, understand game situations and the like. He could follow the rules well enough to remain on the team. You think he was delirious or delusional? He had enough mental capacity to understand situational behavior. He didn't whip it out on the court Yes, I do enforce limits. I don't tell the principal she needs to solve the problem. I won't sue her if she didn't.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 15:48:27 GMT -5
OK, I read all the words in the article: Isn't part of mental healthcare finding a therapist (or psychologist) who's a "good fit" for the patient? From what I've read online (ok, not a really good source) it seems that people who seek mental health generally don't stick with the first one that treats them. They may transition/churn thru a string of therapists/doctors before finding one that is a "good fit". Why did the Spurs let the situation go on for months after they were told by the psychologist that there were issues? Why did she continue to see him?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 4, 2022 15:52:52 GMT -5
OK, I read all the words in the article: Isn't part of mental healthcare finding a therapist (or psychologist) who's a "good fit" for the patient? From what I've read online (ok, not a really good source) it seems that people who seek mental health generally don't stick with the first one that treats them. They may transition/churn thru a string of therapists/doctors before finding one that is a "good fit". Why did the Spurs let the situation go on for months after they were told by the psychologist that there were issues? Why did she continue to see him? Because she was employed by them and was told she needed to. She may have had a contract, like many do in healthcare that requires 90 or 180 day notice or they won't cover your malpractice. She apparently went to them with this issue and did nothing to rectify it. She likely didn't have many easy options. In addition, I suspect she wanted to help him, so I suspect she tried to deal with it on her own for a while
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 15:55:46 GMT -5
So you don't enforce limits on behavior? Expect they will comply with expectations, and punish them when they don't? I have been assaulted as well/ An alcoholic going through DTs tried to choke me. Did not file charges due to the fact that it was not volitional. Just because he has mental issues does not mean he cannot behave in expected an expected manor. He was on the team, so he had the mental capacity to learn plays, understand game situations and the like. He could follow the rules well enough to remain on the team. You think he was delirious or delusional? He had enough mental capacity to understand situational behavior. He didn't whip it out on the court Yes, I do enforce limits. I don't tell the principal she needs to solve the problem. I won't sue her if she didn't. From the article: I'm thinking the psychologist is suing the Spurs because she was "fired" due to her complaints/issues with Primo. (I'm guessing the Spurs couldn't find anyone else willing to take on Primo's case?   Seems the Spurs also had issues with Primo - they let him go as well.
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Why did she continue to see him? Because she was employed by them and was told she needed to. She may have had a contract, like many do in healthcare that requires 90 or 180 day notice or they won't cover your malpractice. She apparently went to them with this issue and did nothing to rectify it. She likely didn't have many easy options. In addition, I suspect she wanted to help him, so I suspect she tried to deal with it on her own for a while I see all of that. In my opinion, it answers the question asked in the title in the affirmative. It was part of the job which includes her personal professional responsibility to help. But now she is suing.
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 15:59:53 GMT -5
OK, I read all the words in the article: Isn't part of mental healthcare finding a therapist (or psychologist) who's a "good fit" for the patient? From what I've read online (ok, not a really good source) it seems that people who seek mental health generally don't stick with the first one that treats them. They may transition/churn thru a string of therapists/doctors before finding one that is a "good fit". Why did the Spurs let the situation go on for months after they were told by the psychologist that there were issues? Why did she continue to see him? I'm guessing she got the run around (just one more week and we'll have this resolved - which turns into months...) and perhaps continued to see him while waiting for the official paper work to go thru transferring him to someone else? I'm guessing this because the article says she had a contract with the Spurs. To not see him while waiting for his transfer may have violated her contract (and if it was just "one more week".... she'd tough it out.). I'm totally making all of that up. (except the contract part that's in the article)... but I have seen LOTS of women "tough out just one more week" when promised that things would change - they just needed to be patient and wait (sometimes for years).
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 16:04:11 GMT -5
Yes, I do enforce limits. I don't tell the principal she needs to solve the problem. I won't sue her if she didn't. From the article: I'm thinking the psychologist is suing the Spurs because she was "fired" due to her complaints/issues with Primo. (I'm guessing the Spurs couldn't find anyone else willing to take on Primo's case?   Seems the Spurs also had issues with Primo - they let him go as well. I agree with you on why she is suing. I am questioning whether it is grounds for her to win.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Nov 4, 2022 16:04:31 GMT -5
Because she was employed by them and was told she needed to. She may have had a contract, like many do in healthcare that requires 90 or 180 day notice or they won't cover your malpractice. She apparently went to them with this issue and did nothing to rectify it. She likely didn't have many easy options. In addition, I suspect she wanted to help him, so I suspect she tried to deal with it on her own for a while I see all of that. In my opinion, it answers the question asked in the title in the affirmative. It was part of the job which includes her personal professional responsibility to help. But now she is suing. You would agree there is a limit? If he threatened to rape her, would she still be obligated to see him? If not, you agree there is a limit on what she is expected to deal with. The only question is where the line is. When does the behavior become so egregious that it allows her to stop?
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 16:08:07 GMT -5
Why wouldn't she sue the Spurs? They didn't renew her contract and a few months later released Primo.
I'm guessing they didn't wake up on a Monday morning and go - "hey, we should get rid of that Primo guy. He's a problem. Tell HR he's done today. and see he's out the door today too."
Was the psychologist's non-renewed contract because she complained about Primo?
Could the Spurs not afford hiring on an additional psychologist who was better suited to help Primo so they had to let the one the had go?
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 16:13:47 GMT -5
I see all of that. In my opinion, it answers the question asked in the title in the affirmative. It was part of the job which includes her personal professional responsibility to help. But now she is suing. You would agree there is a limit? If he threatened to rape her, would she still be obligated to see him? If not, you agree there is a limit on what she is expected to deal with. The only question is where the line is. When does the behavior become so egregious that it allows her to stop? I think the line should be exactly where the individual draws it. Choices do have consequences but they are still choices that are being made. She could have walked away at any time.
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 16:19:40 GMT -5
Why wouldn't she sue the Spurs? They didn't renew her contract and a few months later released Primo. I'm guessing they didn't wake up on a Monday morning and go - "hey, we should get rid of that Primo guy. He's a problem. Tell HR he's done today. and see he's out the door today too." Was the psychologist's non-renewed contract because she complained about Primo? Could the Spurs not afford hiring on an additional psychologist who was better suited to help Primo so they had to let the one the had go? Should they be forced to hire a second because the one they had wasn't well suited to deal with the job as it was?
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Post by Tiny on Nov 4, 2022 16:27:38 GMT -5
Why wouldn't she sue the Spurs? They didn't renew her contract and a few months later released Primo. I'm guessing they didn't wake up on a Monday morning and go - "hey, we should get rid of that Primo guy. He's a problem. Tell HR he's done today. and see he's out the door today too." Was the psychologist's non-renewed contract because she complained about Primo? Could the Spurs not afford hiring on an additional psychologist who was better suited to help Primo so they had to let the one the had go? Should they be forced to hire a second because the one they had wasn't well suited to deal with the job as it was? IDk. This starts to feel like when a rich guy buys a super expensive exclusive sports car and then complains about how much it costs to keep it running. If the rich guy wants the super expensive exclusive sports car then they should have thought about the costs to keep it running. Why wouldn't the Spurs sink additional money into Primo if they thought he'd be profitable for the organization? (they obviously didn't think he'd be profitable because they released him.) I'm guessing the psychologist is suing about her treatment by the spurs before she was let go (and how that treatment effected her contract non renewal).
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Should they be forced to hire a second because the one they had wasn't well suited to deal with the job as it was? IDk. This starts to feel like when a rich guy buys a super expensive exclusive sports car and then complains about how much it costs to keep it running. If the rich guy wants the super expensive exclusive sports car then they should have thought about the costs to keep it running. Why wouldn't the Spurs sink additional money into Primo if they thought he'd be profitable for the organization? (they obviously didn't think he'd be profitable because they released him.) I'm guessing the psychologist is suing about her treatment before she was let go (and how that treatment effected her contract non renewal). The guy buys the car and contracts with a mechanic to keep it working in top condition. Over the course of the contract the guy has to deal with the mechanic telling him he can't handle the electrical system problems and the guy should deal with them himself. So at the end of contract the guy doesn't renew. A few months later he decides the electrical problems are just more trouble than it is worth and he gets rid of the car. Should the mechanic get extra money?
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Post by swamp on Nov 4, 2022 16:48:17 GMT -5
We’re talking about her as if she is a “regular” psychologist. Sport psychologists aren’t the same. It’s a really small niche practice that would not treat sexual deviancy
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Post by billisonboard on Nov 4, 2022 17:12:52 GMT -5
We’re talking about her as if she is a “regular” psychologist. Sport psychologists aren’t the same. It’s a really small niche practice that would not treat sexual deviancy thanks for putting me into the position I felt the need to research what it takes to be a "sports psychologist". Appears there are multiple pathways to qualify as such. I assumed she was a doctor of psychology with a specialty of sports. I need to look into her qualifications.
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Post by Opti on Nov 4, 2022 20:40:19 GMT -5
Why wouldn't she sue the Spurs? They didn't renew her contract and a few months later released Primo. I'm guessing they didn't wake up on a Monday morning and go - "hey, we should get rid of that Primo guy. He's a problem. Tell HR he's done today. and see he's out the door today too." Was the psychologist's non-renewed contract because she complained about Primo? Could the Spurs not afford hiring on an additional psychologist who was better suited to help Primo so they had to let the one the had go? Should they be forced to hire a second because the one they had wasn't well suited to deal with the job as it was? Should she be forced to see a man who is 6 ft 6 and 200 lbs just because you think she should? A sports psychologist should not be and have all psychological disciplines under her belt simply cause Bills deems it so. The fact that the team released him while ignoring her complaints tells me much of what I need to know. They didn't take her complaints seriously, but once she threatened them with a lawsuit they did some investigation and decided the suit had merit and they screwed up. They hope by letting him go they will mitigate the damages in the lawsuit. MO.
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