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Post by Pink Cashmere on Nov 29, 2022 19:31:55 GMT -5
I posted some pictures from a couple weeks ago in the What Are You Doing thread today. But I am wondering how raeoflyte is doing with Puppy and Devil Dog. I have thought several times over the last couple of weeks that maybe Boy is related to Devil Dog. Plus, it seems like this is the best place to get Annie7 to play with us. Boy has demolished the cushion on the couch on my deck. One day last week, him and Newbie were playing tug of war with the remnants. So I have couch cushioning crap all over the deck that needs to be cleaned up, in addition to a million more leaves from the pecan tree, and I just don’t even want to look out the sliding door anymore. Boy is still having “accidents” in the house. Not often, but still. And when we try to send him outside, he often won’t go down the steps on the deck, or really anywhere, unless we go outside with him. That is not how that is supposed to work, sir. But the other night (morning, really), around 4 am, he started whining, then put his paws on Mister’s side of the mattress and woke Mister up (like OG used to do when she wanted to go get in her bed in “her” room at night ). Mister got up and took Boy outside, Boy peed for forever, then they came back in and Boy went back to sleep. So that seemed promising as far as house training goes. I’d rather he wake one of us up if her really needs to go, than pee or poop in the house. We don’t even bother with his crate anymore, because he hates it. One day last week, Mister was charging one of the outdoor cameras and it was on in our bedroom while we were at work, and both kept getting alerts from the camera because Boy cried.the.whole.day. So lately, we’ve been leaving him in the laundry room, and closing the door to the guest bathroom and the pocket door to the kitchen. Mister has put the camera in there while we were at work, and Boy didn’t cry at all. So I guess that’s his new spot. I’m not sure what the difference is, because he is still confined and separated from Newbie, but whatever. I am enough of a nervous Nelly that I don’t think I will ever be comfortable with them both being loose in the house while we are gone. Everything I’ve read has said that even though they get along today, that doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t fight tomorrow, and things get ugly. And I really worry about that happening while we are away from home and can’t stop it. I’d just rather prevent it from happening by keeping them separated while we are away, than take the chance. I don’t care if that makes me “extra” or seem like I’m paranoid. So since Newbie was here first, she gets to roam most of the house while we’re away. Even though I’m not sure she even ever moves from her spot on their sofa while we’re at work. And boy gets the laundry room. There were obviously doors at some point between the den and the hallway that leads to the bedrooms. I wouldn’t mind replacing them, so that one dog can roam half of the house and the other dog can roam the other half. But that’s an idea for the future. Boy can’t roam anywhere until I have faith that he won’t pee or poop in the house.
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Post by Annie7 on Nov 30, 2022 9:59:51 GMT -5
I posted some pictures from a couple weeks ago in the What Are You Doing thread today. But I am wondering how raeoflyte is doing with Puppy and Devil Dog. I have thought several times over the last couple of weeks that maybe Boy is related to Devil Dog. Plus, it seems like this is the best place to get Annie7 to play with us. Boy has demolished the cushion on the couch on my deck. One day last week, him and Newbie were playing tug of war with the remnants. So I have couch cushioning crap all over the deck that needs to be cleaned up, in addition to a million more leaves from the pecan tree, and I just don’t even want to look out the sliding door anymore. Boy is still having “accidents” in the house. Not often, but still. And when we try to send him outside, he often won’t go down the steps on the deck, or really anywhere, unless we go outside with him. That is not how that is supposed to work, sir. But the other night (morning, really), around 4 am, he started whining, then put his paws on Mister’s side of the mattress and woke Mister up (like OG used to do when she wanted to go get in her bed in “her” room at night ). Mister got up and took Boy outside, Boy peed for forever, then they came back in and Boy went back to sleep. So that seemed promising as far as house training goes. I’d rather he wake one of us up if her really needs to go, than pee or poop in the house. We don’t even bother with his crate anymore, because he hates it. One day last week, Mister was charging one of the outdoor cameras and it was on in our bedroom while we were at work, and both kept getting alerts from the camera because Boy cried.the.whole.day. So lately, we’ve been leaving him in the laundry room, and closing the door to the guest bathroom and the pocket door to the kitchen. Mister has put the camera in there while we were at work, and Boy didn’t cry at all. So I guess that’s his new spot. I’m not sure what the difference is, because he is still confined and separated from Newbie, but whatever. I am enough of a nervous Nelly that I don’t think I will ever be comfortable with them both being loose in the house while we are gone. Everything I’ve read has said that even though they get along today, that doesn’t necessarily mean they won’t fight tomorrow, and things get ugly. And I really worry about that happening while we are away from home and can’t stop it. I’d just rather prevent it from happening by keeping them separated while we are away, than take the chance. I don’t care if that makes me “extra” or seem like I’m paranoid. So since Newbie was here first, she gets to roam most of the house while we’re away. Even though I’m not sure she even ever moves from her spot on their sofa while we’re at work. And boy gets the laundry room. There were obviously doors at some point between the den and the hallway that leads to the bedrooms. I wouldn’t mind replacing them, so that one dog can roam half of the house and the other dog can roam the other half. But that’s an idea for the future. Boy can’t roam anywhere until I have faith that he won’t pee or poop in the house. Aww, thanks Pink. That thread gets long quickly and I might miss things. I will go look for your pics there. How old is Boy? It might take a while for full training. Nala used to poop in the house in the night a few times when she had stomach issues. Now she wakes me up if she wants to go out in the night - just like you said Boy woke Mister up - puts her paw on my mattress and whines. I only have the one dog, so can't speak to whether or not keep them both together when you aren't home. I too am always cognizant that they are dogs, not humans and can flip at anytime. I have let Nala have free reign in the house but turn on the indoor camera if I'm going away for longer than an hour or so. I've left her alone for 6+ hours. She does have access to the fenced backyard through a doggie door. She mostly sleeps while I'm not home, just like Newbie. As long as they are both ok with the situation, let sleeping dogs lie I had 50 people for thanksgiving at my house. I had sent Nala to daycare and picked her up at 4 pm after lunch was done and the crowd had calmed down. She played in the backyard with my YDS and his friends. Then I leashed her and took her to the basement and she just sniffed at everyone. She behaved very well. She was mentally exhausted. Two girls tried to pet her. She tolerated for a couple of minutes and then got up and walked away to lie down in a different place. She is not a cuddly girl. It has to be on her terms and for a very short period. I was happy that she behaved very well. She loved having my sons home. I was almost chopped liver when they were around. She would take her baby carrot in my room at night like usual and then go down to stay with them while I slept. She would only come upstairs when they both went to bed. How can I post pics? Photobucket doesn't allow copying of links anymore - atleast the free version doesn't.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Nov 30, 2022 18:30:01 GMT -5
Boy is almost 5 months old. I know it takes time for them to be fully trained, Mister/I/we just get frustrated because we can be outside with him for 20 minutes, come inside, and in less than 5 minutes, he pees in the house. It’s usually when Mister is supposed to be watching him, so Mister gets the side eye from me, more than Boy is “in trouble” lol. I can’t figure out why that happens though. His crate is in our bedroom, but because he cries when he’s in it, Mister feels like it’s mean to leave him in there, so he rescues Boy and lets him out….. which has taught Boy that if he cries enough, he might get to leave his crate. This is the first dog I’ve had that hated their crate, and I kinda blame that on Mister, because he always rescued Boy. Anyway, he doesn’t go in his crate overnight anymore, he sleeps on Newbie’s bed (and we really should get him his own, because Newbie doesn’t always want to be bothered with him and sleeps on the carpeted floor instead) or on our bed. As cute and cuddly as he is, I don’t want him sleeping on my bed long term. Whether it’s on Newbie’s bed or ours, he prefers to sleep curled up right up against one of us or her, if he’s not laying halfway on top of us or her. He doesn’t have accidents overnight. He woke Mister up again early this morning, Mister took him outside, he ran down the steps to the grass, and pooped. Came back inside and went right back to sleep. So I guess when he REALLY needs to go at night/early morning, he understands that if he wakes Mister up, he can go do it outside. Since we’ve been leaving him in the laundry room while we’re away, he did poop in there once, but other than that, no pooping or peeing, even while we’re at work. FIFTY people at your house for Thanksgiving?! I can’t imagine. My family is small, and I am very particular about who I call friends, so I don’t think I even know 50 people that I wouldn’t mind coming over for Thanksgiving dinner lol. Even including Mister’s family that I would invite, it’s still probably less than 20. I’m not sure I could even fit 50 people in my house lol. It sounds like fun though….. at somebody else’s house, because I would be stressed all the way out trying to host that many people and feed them. It was very thoughtful of you to send Nala to daycare so she didn’t get overwhelmed with the guests. And I’m happy for you that she behaved well when you did bring her home. She sounds kind of like how OG was, she was okay with guests, but eventually, she’d retreat to the back of the house to be alone. We got Newbie during the pandemic, and still haven’t had any kind of large gathering at our house since, so while she pretty much loves all our family members that she knows, especially the children, I don’t know yet how she’d do with a lot of people in the house. Don’t feel too bad about being chopped liver. Boy gets excited when I come home from work, but it’s nothing like when Mister comes home. And when Kiddo (Mister’s son) is here or my Grandchildren, they are the bees knees as far as the dogs are concerned. I just console myself by saying that I’m glad the dogs really love the people that I really love. Don’t tell anyone, but I do get a little jealous sometimes lol. As far as posting pics, somebody smarter than me can probably tell you how. I only learned when a poster posted a screen record video to walk me through it lol. The pictures I post are ones I’ve added to Imgur. I will try to find that poster’s video and share it here.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Nov 30, 2022 18:35:56 GMT -5
Annie7 I don’t know how to quote the post regarding posting images, on this thread. But it’s on the first page of this thread. link.
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Post by Annie7 on Dec 1, 2022 8:18:50 GMT -5
Annie7 I don’t know how to quote the post regarding posting images, on this thread. But it’s on the first page of this thread. link. Thanks Pink. I am trying imgur.
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Post by Annie7 on Dec 1, 2022 8:27:33 GMT -5
Boy is almost 5 months old. I know it takes time for them to be fully trained, Mister/I/we just get frustrated because we can be outside with him for 20 minutes, come inside, and in less than 5 minutes, he pees in the house. It’s usually when Mister is supposed to be watching him, so Mister gets the side eye from me, more than Boy is “in trouble” lol. I can’t figure out why that happens though. His crate is in our bedroom, but because he cries when he’s in it, Mister feels like it’s mean to leave him in there, so he rescues Boy and lets him out….. which has taught Boy that if he cries enough, he might get to leave his crate. This is the first dog I’ve had that hated their crate, and I kinda blame that on Mister, because he always rescued Boy. Anyway, he doesn’t go in his crate overnight anymore, he sleeps on Newbie’s bed (and we really should get him his own, because Newbie doesn’t always want to be bothered with him and sleeps on the carpeted floor instead) or on our bed. As cute and cuddly as he is, I don’t want him sleeping on my bed long term. Whether it’s on Newbie’s bed or ours, he prefers to sleep curled up right up against one of us or her, if he’s not laying halfway on top of us or her. He doesn’t have accidents overnight. He woke Mister up again early this morning, Mister took him outside, he ran down the steps to the grass, and pooped. Came back inside and went right back to sleep. So I guess when he REALLY needs to go at night/early morning, he understands that if he wakes Mister up, he can go do it outside. Since we’ve been leaving him in the laundry room while we’re away, he did poop in there once, but other than that, no pooping or peeing, even while we’re at work. FIFTY people at your house for Thanksgiving?! I can’t imagine. My family is small, and I am very particular about who I call friends, so I don’t think I even know 50 people that I wouldn’t mind coming over for Thanksgiving dinner lol. Even including Mister’s family that I would invite, it’s still probably less than 20. I’m not sure I could even fit 50 people in my house lol. It sounds like fun though….. at somebody else’s house, because I would be stressed all the way out trying to host that many people and feed them. It was very thoughtful of you to send Nala to daycare so she didn’t get overwhelmed with the guests. And I’m happy for you that she behaved well when you did bring her home. She sounds kind of like how OG was, she was okay with guests, but eventually, she’d retreat to the back of the house to be alone. We got Newbie during the pandemic, and still haven’t had any kind of large gathering at our house since, so while she pretty much loves all our family members that she knows, especially the children, I don’t know yet how she’d do with a lot of people in the house. Don’t feel too bad about being chopped liver. Boy gets excited when I come home from work, but it’s nothing like when Mister comes home. And when Kiddo (Mister’s son) is here or my Grandchildren, they are the bees knees as far as the dogs are concerned. I just console myself by saying that I’m glad the dogs really love the people that I really love. Don’t tell anyone, but I do get a little jealous sometimes lol. As far as posting pics, somebody smarter than me can probably tell you how. I only learned when a poster posted a screen record video to walk me through it lol. The pictures I post are ones I’ve added to Imgur. I will try to find that poster’s video and share it here. Yeah, it's all Mister's fault We have a good group of about 15 families. For thanksgiving most kids (all young adults now but still "kids" for us) come home. So, we have a big count . It was a kind of stress this year since it's the first year after my divorce 2 years ago that I've hosted TG. It used to be at our house for decades, then covid hit and I got divorced. But since I usually did everything except buying alcohol, it was not a big deal. I do feel now that I don't enjoy the big crowd too much and that I prefer smaller, intimate gatherings. But I will probably continue TG since the kids seem to enjoy. I too feel like you do, that Nala loves my loved ones and it's great that they have that bond. I do feel jealous but I know that the sibling bond is different from a parent-child bond. I do get slightly jealous, but don't want them to lose that bond. I tried posting from imgur but it's not working - I'll have to figure out what's happening. I'll keep working on it. Thank you.
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Post by Opti on Dec 3, 2022 19:34:49 GMT -5
Thought this was funny and perhaps Pink and Newbie might appreciate it.
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Post by raeoflyte on Dec 6, 2022 10:33:53 GMT -5
I have been meaning to post to this thread for ages and this is just a drive by. Glad that newbie, boy, and Nala are doing well!!
I took devil dog in for a private session and we've had some really good luck since then. It's funny because we worked on obedience stuff, but more so play activities specifically "tug". We did that when we were teaching the "out" command but haven't done it much since, but devil dog loves it and I feel like burning off some energy that way that builds the relationship too is really helping on the obedience side. I can't seem to copy the links from my phone so I'll try this weekend, but the trainer also sent me a couple you tube videos from Michael Ellis and Leerburg on how to play tug with your dog that are really helpful.
I'm also getting him on the treadmill trying for twice a day. It's a regular human treadmill so way too short for him to jog or run on, but he walks on it well - while I handfeed him his breakfast or dinner - which is so gross and slobbery, but it tires him out. The trainer said 10 minutes on the treadmill is like a 30 minute walk since the pace stays the same.
Puppy has gotten quite comfortable here and my perfect little puppy is starting to get a bit naughty. But I adore her.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Dec 13, 2022 19:31:04 GMT -5
Even though they literally JUST ate dinner, because I just came out of the laundry room (where the treats are), this is what I get. “Mom, I’m sitting! Did you bring me a treat? PLEASE give me a treat! I’m being a good doggie and sitting, can I please have a treat? If I just stare at you long enough while I’m sitting, will you give me one? PLEEEEASE?” NO! You both just had dinner, and one of you needs to lose weight! So save those eyes for Mister, because I will NOT be hypnotized by them! Well, I try not to be.😂😂😂
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Dec 16, 2022 18:55:38 GMT -5
The stupid blue ball…. Boy brought it in the garage a few days ago. Yesterday and today, Newbie has been territorial about that damn ball and growls at Boy if he tries to get it while she has it. When I tell them “STOP IT”, they both leave the ball alone and separate. We are all in the garage now, and they have a little room to run around because Mister is not home, so his car isn’t in the garage. And Newbie is still being fussy about that damn ball. As usual, when I tell them to stop it, they both leave the ball alone and separate. So I walked over and put my foot on the stupid ball and started scooting it all around the garage under my foot, to see what Newbie would do. She didn’t do anything. She didn’t move toward me or try to get it from me. Boy ran over and I told him NO, it’s MINE. Feeling like a crazy person when I said it lol. But he walked away when I said that. I’ve read that it’s bad for dogs to “guard” resources, including toys. And that seems to be what Newbie is doing with this stupid ball since it’s been in the garage. The easy solution of course, is to throw the ball back out in the yard, or in the freaking garbage. They fuss a little over bones in the house, but not like this damn ball, and there are several bones in the house anyway, so whoever wants the bone eventually just goes and gets another one. So I am wondering if it’s best to just get rid of the ball or use the ball to teach them how to act when Newbie gets territorial about it. I seriously don’t know what it is about this damn ball. Newbie found it when Mister cut back some brush on our property line. It was deflated then. Now it also has a big hole in it from her gnawing on it. It is seriously her most favorite thing. She always immediately goes to find it when we let her out in the yard. And clearly, Boy likes it too. Whyyyyyyy though? raeoflyte do you have any ideas or advice? Or anyone else? This is the only thing Newbie apparently considers “hers”, even with all the toys and bones they have inside the house. She takes Boy’s toys and hides them, but she doesn’t complain when we give them back to him. She just hides them again the first chance she gets lol.
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The stupid blue ball…. Boy brought it in the garage a few days ago. Yesterday and today, Newbie has been territorial about that damn ball and growls at Boy if he tries to get it while she has it. When I tell them “STOP IT”, they both leave the ball alone and separate. We are all in the garage now, and they have a little room to run around because Mister is not home, so his car isn’t in the garage. And Newbie is still being fussy about that damn ball. As usual, when I tell them to stop it, they both leave the ball alone and separate. So I walked over and put my foot on the stupid ball and started scooting it all around the garage under my foot, to see what Newbie would do. She didn’t do anything. She didn’t move toward me or try to get it from me. Boy ran over and I told him NO, it’s MINE. Feeling like a crazy person when I said it lol. But he walked away when I said that. I’ve read that it’s bad for dogs to “guard” resources, including toys. And that seems to be what Newbie is doing with this stupid ball since it’s been in the garage. The easy solution of course, is to throw the ball back out in the yard, or in the freaking garbage. They fuss a little over bones in the house, but not like this damn ball, and there are several bones in the house anyway, so whoever wants the bone eventually just goes and gets another one. So I am wondering if it’s best to just get rid of the ball or use the ball to teach them how to act when Newbie gets territorial about it. I seriously don’t know what it is about this damn ball. Newbie found it when Mister cut back some brush on our property line. It was deflated then. Now it also has a big hole in it from her gnawing on it. It is seriously her most favorite thing. She always immediately goes to find it when we let her out in the yard. And clearly, Boy likes it too. Whyyyyyyy though? raeoflyte do you have any ideas or advice? Or anyone else? This is the only thing Newbie apparently considers “hers”, even with all the toys and bones they have inside the house. She takes Boy’s toys and hides them, but she doesn’t complain when we give them back to him. She just hides them again the first chance she gets lol. Pink I'd probably toss it just to avoid issues but I'm lazy like that. You could use for a training reward to one-on-one since it's obviously a favorite.
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Post by raeoflyte on Dec 18, 2022 14:33:25 GMT -5
Puppy passed her core obedience test today with a perfect score, but this trainer is a little more lenient. She nearly broke her sit stay and did get a correction for it so she lost a point and my correction got it back. She also broke her down stay at 57 seconds the first time, but held it for the full minute on a second try so we got full points.
Still plenty to work on. I think we'll take a little break from obedience and do trick training and nose work through the colder months.
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Post by TheOtherMe on Dec 18, 2022 17:26:25 GMT -5
Your dogs are adorable raeoflyte So are the kids.
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Post by raeoflyte on Feb 28, 2023 22:05:10 GMT -5
The puppy has even insufferable today. So much whining. She's always very vocal, but not so bad if I'm home - and I work from home so she's almost always with me.
I don't know what today was about. We went for a walk, had play time, free time, training time. I started to worry I didn't feed her breakfast but I did - and dinner. We took her collar off thinking maybe it's too small, but nothing helps. She's had recent blood work and goes to work with dh regularly so she gets checked over by everyone who works there. I needed to order a bark collar for her anyway but today pushed me to do it. Hoping tomorrow is better. Dh is taking her in tomorrow to be checked out too.
Dh will be the handler for puppy's next training session. She apparently doesn't listen to him, which is shocking since he hasn't put in the time with her. ::sarcasm::
I have devil dog signed up for electronic collar training. He's really mellowed having puppy to play with, and we're having a lot of wins, but he still only listens if he wants to or has to, and at 2yo with the hours put in I expect better consistency. I'm hoping this helps us get there.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Feb 28, 2023 22:59:42 GMT -5
The puppy has even insufferable today. So much whining. She's always very vocal, but not so bad if I'm home - and I work from home so she's almost always with me. I don't know what today was about. We went for a walk, had play time, free time, training time. I started to worry I didn't feed her breakfast but I did - and dinner. We took her collar off thinking maybe it's too small, but nothing helps. She's had recent blood work and goes to work with dh regularly so she gets checked over by everyone who works there. I needed to order a bark collar for her anyway but today pushed me to do it. Hoping tomorrow is better. Dh is taking her in tomorrow to be checked out too. Dh will be the handler for puppy's next training session. She apparently doesn't listen to him, which is shocking since he hasn't put in the time with her. ::sarcasm:: I have devil dog signed up for electronic collar training. He's really mellowed having puppy to play with, and we're having a lot of wins, but he still only listens if he wants to or has to, and at 2yo with the hours put in I expect better consistency. I'm hoping this helps us get there. I have been regretting for a while now, that I use to think it was funny that you called your dog devil dog, because I’ve started to believe that is an apt description for Boy, and it’s not all that funny. He is terrible! And Mister is so in love with him. He knows Boy is terrible, but he keeps saying he’s so sweet. HOW?! We both agree that Boy isn’t a dummy, he’s just stubborn. He has realized that if I have my keys in my hand and call him to me in the laundry room, that means I’m leaving and I’m going to close the pocket door separating the laundry room from the rest of the house. So he’ll come to the door, but not actually into the laundry room. Normally, they’ll both come running into the laundry room if I call them, because that’s where the treats are. But now Boy has figured out what my keys mean lol. I am interested in what you figure out is going on with the puppy. Please report back.
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The puppy has even insufferable today. So much whining. She's always very vocal, but not so bad if I'm home - and I work from home so she's almost always with me. I don't know what today was about. We went for a walk, had play time, free time, training time. I started to worry I didn't feed her breakfast but I did - and dinner. We took her collar off thinking maybe it's too small, but nothing helps. She's had recent blood work and goes to work with dh regularly so she gets checked over by everyone who works there. I needed to order a bark collar for her anyway but today pushed me to do it. Hoping tomorrow is better. Dh is taking her in tomorrow to be checked out too. Dh will be the handler for puppy's next training session. She apparently doesn't listen to him, which is shocking since he hasn't put in the time with her. ::sarcasm:: I have devil dog signed up for electronic collar training. He's really mellowed having puppy to play with, and we're having a lot of wins, but he still only listens if he wants to or has to, and at 2yo with the hours put in I expect better consistency. I'm hoping this helps us get there. I have been regretting for a while now, that I use to think it was funny that you called your dog devil dog, because I’ve started to believe that is an apt description for Boy, and it’s not all that funny. He is terrible! And Mister is so in love with him. He knows Boy is terrible, but he keeps saying he’s so sweet. HOW?! We both agree that Boy isn’t a dummy, he’s just stubborn. He has realized that if I have my keys in my hand and call him to me in the laundry room, that means I’m leaving and I’m going to close the pocket door separating the laundry room from the rest of the house. So he’ll come to the door, but not actually into the laundry room. Normally, they’ll both come running into the laundry room if I call them, because that’s where the treats are. But now Boy has figured out what my keys mean lol. I am interested in what you figure out is going on with the puppy. Please report back. How old is boy? 8 months is when devil dog earned his name. He was already 80 pounds with endless energy. Dh never gets to pick the breed ever, ever again. I've noticed a significant difference the last couple months which might be some age/maturity but I think a lot of it is the rambunctious play time with the puppy.
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Post by raeoflyte on Mar 12, 2023 9:05:49 GMT -5
Dh did new blood panels and 2 ua's on puppy trying to find a medical reason for her insanity, but everything came back normal. She's a high strung 10 mo puppy with possible anxiety.
8-15 months was I think the absolute worst with devil dog so I'm mostly waiting it out, increasing exercise and training time and will re-evaluate when she's older. We know she's always been very timid with new people/experiences so I wouldn't be surprised if anxiety sticks around but we'll up our routines and see if that helps mellow her out.
The bark collar doesn't pick up whining so it's not terribly helpful, but maybe it has stopped her escalating to actual barking. I've only had her wear it a couple times, but we haven't had the manic days like we were when this started.
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Post by Annie7 on Mar 30, 2023 15:59:07 GMT -5
Do you have any recommendations on bark collars?
Nala just got suspended for 2 weeks from daycare for excessive barking. Apparently she's the "fun police" and keeps barking at other dogs and humans there. They put her in timeout and once released goes back to barking.
She barks at home too when she sees others dogs outside. We live on a fairly busy road and many people take their dogs on walk in front of our house. Nala sits there watching and barks when they pass our house. She might even go into the backyard and watch them through the fence and continue barking.
When we go on walks she lunges and barks at dogs she does not know. If she meets the dogs she is normally fine and sniffs and plays with them for a minute and then she's done and calmly walks away. She is not aggressive at all to dogs she knows whether they are small or big. She even handicaps herself with smaller dogs by lying down.
If I walk her with a prong collar she is much better and while she reacts, it is not as bad of a lunge and she listens to my telling her to stop.
If not a bark collar, do you have any other recommendations?
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I’d forgotten about this thread! I see I never answered raeoflyte’s last question. Boy will be 9 months in a couple of weeks. He is horrible. I don’t let him out in the yard anymore, because he thinks it’s optional to come to me when I call him. And over the last couple of days, he has started to run when I go get him after he refuses to come to me when I tell him to. I don’t have time for all that, and I’m getting frustrated. The only thing I know to do about it is keep the long lead on him at all times, so I can reel him in if he refuses to come to me, but I’d thought we were past that. I am open to suggestions and advice, because he’s getting on my nerves and I guess I don’t have the kind of patience I use to have, even though I’ve never had much patience to begin with. It’s good that puppy’s blood work came back normal, not so much that she seems to have anxiety though. I don’t remember if you’ve said it before, but what does she do that you say she’s high strung and might anxiety? Boy does not like being separated from Mister. On my days off work, it’s an ordeal for Mister to leave to go to work. He brings Boy back to the bedroom where I am, and Boy still tries to follow him when Mister is closing the bedroom door. Boy sits at the door for a while, whining and I guess hoping Mister will come back, then he eventually jumps on the bed with me and goes to sleep. Mind you, this is the first dog I’ve EVER allowed to sleep on my bed beyond a very short period when I first brought them home. He also use to do the thing where he would pee a little if he got excited greeting someone, I guess if his bladder was already full. Not just us, but my son and YD too. He’s gotten better with that though, and hasn’t done it in a while. Annie7, I’ve never used a bark collar, so I don’t have any advice on them. Mr. T (my next door neighbor) started using bark collars on his German Shepards when the neighbors behind his house started with all the nonsense that they blamed on his dogs barking, but that wasn’t really what all the fuss was about. If raeoflyte or somebody else more knowledgeable than me doesn’t chime in, I can ask Mister T about what he uses if you want me to. He is very knowledgeable about dogs and training them, to the point that I am embarrassed when he sees how unruly Boy is lol. But seriously, he raises and trains German Shepherds for working dogs, like K-9 working dogs for LEO. I am sure he won’t mind answering questions about bark collars or whatever you’d like for me to ask him. Just let me know.
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Post by raeoflyte on Mar 30, 2023 21:26:07 GMT -5
Do you have any recommendations on bark collars? Nala just got suspended for 2 weeks from daycare for excessive barking. Apparently she's the "fun police" and keeps barking at other dogs and humans there. They put her in timeout and once released goes back to barking. She barks at home too when she sees others dogs outside. We live on a fairly busy road and many people take their dogs on walk in front of our house. Nala sits there watching and barks when they pass our house. She might even go into the backyard and watch them through the fence and continue barking. When we go on walks she lunges and barks at dogs she does not know. If she meets the dogs she is normally fine and sniffs and plays with them for a minute and then she's done and calmly walks away. She is not aggressive at all to dogs she knows whether they are small or big. She even handicaps herself with smaller dogs by lying down. If I walk her with a prong collar she is much better and while she reacts, it is not as bad of a lunge and she listens to my telling her to stop. If not a bark collar, do you have any other recommendations? We've always used petsafe brand bark collars and our trainer also used Garmin brand. I got a new one for puppy. It doesn't pick up the whining and I need to test it more with reaction barking to the door and such. But they have a progressive correction and was very effective for our rat terrier who wouldn't realize he was barking. For devil dog and reaction barking I threw water at him. It took 2 not small cups of water to the face but he's barely barked since. Puppy knows if you have a squirter bottle or glass of water and will stop so the correction doesn't really work with her.
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I’d forgotten about this thread! I see I never answered raeoflyte’s last question. Boy will be 9 months in a couple of weeks. He is horrible. I don’t let him out in the yard anymore, because he thinks it’s optional to come to me when I call him. And over the last couple of days, he has started to run when I go get him after he refuses to come to me when I tell him to. I don’t have time for all that, and I’m getting frustrated. The only thing I know to do about it is keep the long lead on him at all times, so I can reel him in if he refuses to come to me, but I’d thought we were past that. I am open to suggestions and advice, because he’s getting on my nerves and I guess I don’t have the kind of patience I use to have, even though I’ve never had much patience to begin with. It’s good that puppy’s blood work came back normal, not so much that she seems to have anxiety though. I don’t remember if you’ve said it before, but what does she do that you say she’s high strung and might anxiety? Boy does not like being separated from Mister. On my days off work, it’s an ordeal for Mister to leave to go to work. He brings Boy back to the bedroom where I am, and Boy still tries to follow him when Mister is closing the bedroom door. Boy sits at the door for a while, whining and I guess hoping Mister will come back, then he eventually jumps on the bed with me and goes to sleep. Mind you, this is the first dog I’ve EVER allowed to sleep on my bed beyond a very short period when I first brought them home. He also use to do the thing where he would pee a little if he got excited greeting someone, I guess if his bladder was already full. Not just us, but my son and YD too. He’s gotten better with that though, and hasn’t done it in a while. Annie7, I’ve never used a bark collar, so I don’t have any advice on them. Mr. T (my next door neighbor) started using bark collars on his German Shepards when the neighbors behind his house started with all the nonsense that they blamed on his dogs barking, but that wasn’t really what all the fuss was about. If raeoflyte or somebody else more knowledgeable than me doesn’t chime in, I can ask Mister T about what he uses if you want me to. He is very knowledgeable about dogs and training them, to the point that I am embarrassed when he sees how unruly Boy is lol. But seriously, he raises and trains German Shepherds for working dogs, like K-9 working dogs for LEO. I am sure he won’t mind answering questions about bark collars or whatever you’d like for me to ask him. Just let me know. That was about the worst age for devil dog. 8 months with an 80 pound dog had me ready to divorce dh and give him custody of the beast. He's significantly better at 2, but I think the extra play time with puppy made a big difference in addition to age. I'm doing ecollar training with him though because it's become apparent that he listens when he wants to or has to. If he's off leash in the back yard and doesn't want to come in, he won't regardless of how much training we've done. So now we're adding more tools. Good luck. Boy is almost certain to get better but it's rough getting there.
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Post by Annie7 on Mar 31, 2023 8:59:47 GMT -5
I’d forgotten about this thread! I see I never answered raeoflyte ’s last question. Boy will be 9 months in a couple of weeks. He is horrible. I don’t let him out in the yard anymore, because he thinks it’s optional to come to me when I call him. And over the last couple of days, he has started to run when I go get him after he refuses to come to me when I tell him to. I don’t have time for all that, and I’m getting frustrated. The only thing I know to do about it is keep the long lead on him at all times, so I can reel him in if he refuses to come to me, but I’d thought we were past that. I am open to suggestions and advice, because he’s getting on my nerves and I guess I don’t have the kind of patience I use to have, even though I’ve never had much patience to begin with. It’s good that puppy’s blood work came back normal, not so much that she seems to have anxiety though. I don’t remember if you’ve said it before, but what does she do that you say she’s high strung and might anxiety? Boy does not like being separated from Mister. On my days off work, it’s an ordeal for Mister to leave to go to work. He brings Boy back to the bedroom where I am, and Boy still tries to follow him when Mister is closing the bedroom door. Boy sits at the door for a while, whining and I guess hoping Mister will come back, then he eventually jumps on the bed with me and goes to sleep. Mind you, this is the first dog I’ve EVER allowed to sleep on my bed beyond a very short period when I first brought them home. He also use to do the thing where he would pee a little if he got excited greeting someone, I guess if his bladder was already full. Not just us, but my son and YD too. He’s gotten better with that though, and hasn’t done it in a while. Annie7 , I’ve never used a bark collar, so I don’t have any advice on them. Mr. T (my next door neighbor) started using bark collars on his German Shepards when the neighbors behind his house started with all the nonsense that they blamed on his dogs barking, but that wasn’t really what all the fuss was about. If raeoflyte or somebody else more knowledgeable than me doesn’t chime in, I can ask Mister T about what he uses if you want me to. He is very knowledgeable about dogs and training them, to the point that I am embarrassed when he sees how unruly Boy is lol. But seriously, he raises and trains German Shepherds for working dogs, like K-9 working dogs for LEO. I am sure he won’t mind answering questions about bark collars or whatever you’d like for me to ask him. Just let me know. Pink, If you are ok with asking and if he won't mind, please ask Mister T about what he would suggest for my German Shepherd. I really appreciate it. This morning there was a samoyed across the street while we were walking. Nala barked and lunged. I shortened the leash and stepped in front of her. Then Nala laid down and would not move. The other dog also sat down and was watching Nala. I asked the owner if the dog was friendly and if it was ok for Nala to say Hi. He said that was fine. So we crossed the road and met the dog. That dog, Luca was friendly and was trying to smell Nala. Nala was running around and going behind me, away from Luca. She would try to sniff Luca when Luca was not paying attention to her, but would run behind my back when Luca would try to engage her. Finally, after about 5-7 minutes Nala warmed up and they started to play. During this time there was no barking. I am not sure what triggers the barking - anxiety about the other dog or enthusiasm to meet that dog. I wonder if I need to redo all the training with her. She does not come to me when I call her. I don't want to be carrying treats all the time to entice her to come to me. Maybe I'm wrong and I should do that to get her used to coming to me. I feel like I need to be more of the alpha but it is just not in me to do that. I am more of a getting buy-in from the other person than a demand obedience kind of person. It worked with my kids to explain the rationale behind my rules. I know dogs don't work that way. So probably need to be more dominating and demand obedience. If you have the long line on Boy, aren't you worried about it getting in his pee or poop when he's in the back yard? Just curious.
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Post by Annie7 on Mar 31, 2023 9:02:35 GMT -5
We've always used petsafe brand bark collars and our trainer also used Garmin brand. I got a new one for puppy. It doesn't pick up the whining and I need to test it more with reaction barking to the door and such. But they have a progressive correction and was very effective for our rat terrier who wouldn't realize he was barking. For devil dog and reaction barking I threw water at him. It took 2 not small cups of water to the face but he's barely barked since. Puppy knows if you have a squirter bottle or glass of water and will stop so the correction doesn't really work with her. Raeoflyte, Thank you for the recommendations. I might sometimes be in meetings and will not be able to squirt water, drag her to her place, etc when she's barking at the front window at dogs walking. So, I need something like a bark collar. So, a bark collar is triggered when the dog barks but an ecollar is triggered by a human when needed?
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We've always used petsafe brand bark collars and our trainer also used Garmin brand. I got a new one for puppy. It doesn't pick up the whining and I need to test it more with reaction barking to the door and such. But they have a progressive correction and was very effective for our rat terrier who wouldn't realize he was barking. For devil dog and reaction barking I threw water at him. It took 2 not small cups of water to the face but he's barely barked since. Puppy knows if you have a squirter bottle or glass of water and will stop so the correction doesn't really work with her. Raeoflyte, Thank you for the recommendations. I might sometimes be in meetings and will not be able to squirt water, drag her to her place, etc when she's barking at the front window at dogs walking. So, I need something like a bark collar. So, a bark collar is triggered when the dog barks but an ecollar is triggered by a human when needed? That's correct. So the bark collar gives corrections on its own. I may use an ecollar with puppy for the whining since the bark collar can't pick that up. A couple tips on the bark collar are to wear that alone without any other collar, write your phone # on the bark collar in case the dog gets out with only that on, and don't have them wear it more than 12 hours a day, rotate it and check for pressure sores. There are citronella spray bark collars too but I haven't used them. I don't use the shock collars on any level that is too uncomfortable for me to handle personally. I'm not trying to hurt the dogs, just get their attention and be clear with expectations. My trainer said to look at it as resource trading instead of bribery (using treats to get the dog to come in). But sometimes treats aren't worth giving up what they already have. I know there are dogs out there that value human praise above all else, but I've never had one - scratch that - puppy actually might be that dog, but devil dog is not. I had forgotten but training takes a long time, and what works with 1 dog may not work with another. I've been so frustrated over the last couple years working through various issues. I'm by no means perfect but I put in a lot of time and effort which seems like should mean something and devil dog is still "the world's most okay-est dog".
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Post by Annie7 on Mar 31, 2023 11:08:32 GMT -5
That's correct. So the bark collar gives corrections on its own. I may use an ecollar with puppy for the whining since the bark collar can't pick that up. A couple tips on the bark collar are to wear that alone without any other collar, write your phone # on the bark collar in case the dog gets out with only that on, and don't have them wear it more than 12 hours a day, rotate it and check for pressure sores. There are citronella spray bark collars too but I haven't used them. I don't use the shock collars on any level that is too uncomfortable for me to handle personally. I'm not trying to hurt the dogs, just get their attention and be clear with expectations. My trainer said to look at it as resource trading instead of bribery (using treats to get the dog to come in). But sometimes treats aren't worth giving up what they already have. I know there are dogs out there that value human praise above all else, but I've never had one - scratch that - puppy actually might be that dog, but devil dog is not. I had forgotten but training takes a long time, and what works with 1 dog may not work with another. I've been so frustrated over the last couple years working through various issues. I'm by no means perfect but I put in a lot of time and effort which seems like should mean something and devil dog is still "the world's most okay-est dog". Good rephrasing, thank you. Nala has had a very sensitive stomach. She had giardia for months and did many rounds of antibiotics until I finally said leave it alone. Thankfully she outgrew that. So, I've been leery of giving her too many treats. And she is not fond of kibble to use that as training treats. I have to add some kind of topper to make her eat her daily kibble. I too don't want to hurt her, just get her attention and for her to realize she will get a correction if she doesn't follow the rules. I don't want to use the spray since it'll stay around for a longer time and don't want to hurt her senses for long. I'm sorry you are frustrated. Being okay-est is still good in my books
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Mar 31, 2023 14:27:01 GMT -5
I’d forgotten about this thread! I see I never answered raeoflyte ’s last question. Boy will be 9 months in a couple of weeks. He is horrible. I don’t let him out in the yard anymore, because he thinks it’s optional to come to me when I call him. And over the last couple of days, he has started to run when I go get him after he refuses to come to me when I tell him to. I don’t have time for all that, and I’m getting frustrated. The only thing I know to do about it is keep the long lead on him at all times, so I can reel him in if he refuses to come to me, but I’d thought we were past that. I am open to suggestions and advice, because he’s getting on my nerves and I guess I don’t have the kind of patience I use to have, even though I’ve never had much patience to begin with. It’s good that puppy’s blood work came back normal, not so much that she seems to have anxiety though. I don’t remember if you’ve said it before, but what does she do that you say she’s high strung and might anxiety? Boy does not like being separated from Mister. On my days off work, it’s an ordeal for Mister to leave to go to work. He brings Boy back to the bedroom where I am, and Boy still tries to follow him when Mister is closing the bedroom door. Boy sits at the door for a while, whining and I guess hoping Mister will come back, then he eventually jumps on the bed with me and goes to sleep. Mind you, this is the first dog I’ve EVER allowed to sleep on my bed beyond a very short period when I first brought them home. He also use to do the thing where he would pee a little if he got excited greeting someone, I guess if his bladder was already full. Not just us, but my son and YD too. He’s gotten better with that though, and hasn’t done it in a while. Annie7 , I’ve never used a bark collar, so I don’t have any advice on them. Mr. T (my next door neighbor) started using bark collars on his German Shepards when the neighbors behind his house started with all the nonsense that they blamed on his dogs barking, but that wasn’t really what all the fuss was about. If raeoflyte or somebody else more knowledgeable than me doesn’t chime in, I can ask Mister T about what he uses if you want me to. He is very knowledgeable about dogs and training them, to the point that I am embarrassed when he sees how unruly Boy is lol. But seriously, he raises and trains German Shepherds for working dogs, like K-9 working dogs for LEO. I am sure he won’t mind answering questions about bark collars or whatever you’d like for me to ask him. Just let me know. Pink, If you are ok with asking and if he won't mind, please ask Mister T about what he would suggest for my German Shepherd. I really appreciate it. This morning there was a samoyed across the street while we were walking. Nala barked and lunged. I shortened the leash and stepped in front of her. Then Nala laid down and would not move. The other dog also sat down and was watching Nala. I asked the owner if the dog was friendly and if it was ok for Nala to say Hi. He said that was fine. So we crossed the road and met the dog. That dog, Luca was friendly and was trying to smell Nala. Nala was running around and going behind me, away from Luca. She would try to sniff Luca when Luca was not paying attention to her, but would run behind my back when Luca would try to engage her. Finally, after about 5-7 minutes Nala warmed up and they started to play. During this time there was no barking. I am not sure what triggers the barking - anxiety about the other dog or enthusiasm to meet that dog. I wonder if I need to redo all the training with her. She does not come to me when I call her. I don't want to be carrying treats all the time to entice her to come to me. Maybe I'm wrong and I should do that to get her used to coming to me. I feel like I need to be more of the alpha but it is just not in me to do that. I am more of a getting buy-in from the other person than a demand obedience kind of person. It worked with my kids to explain the rationale behind my rules. I know dogs don't work that way. So probably need to be more dominating and demand obedience. If you have the long line on Boy, aren't you worried about it getting in his pee or poop when he's in the back yard? Just curious. Ok. What specifically do you want me to ask him? I want to make sure I ask the right questions. If I have him on the long lead out in the backyard, it will specifically be to work with him. Most of the dog poop is inside the small fenced in area around the deck. Which sounds gross, but works for encouraging Mister to keep it picked up, because he doesn’t want to hear me complaining about smelling dog poop when I’m on the deck.
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Post by Annie7 on Mar 31, 2023 14:39:00 GMT -5
Ok. What specifically do you want me to ask him? I want to make sure I ask the right questions. If I have him on the long lead out in the backyard, it will specifically be to work with him. Most of the dog poop is inside the small fenced in area around the deck. Which sounds gross, but works for encouraging Mister to keep it picked up, because he doesn’t want to hear me complaining about smelling dog poop when I’m on the deck. Could you please ask him which bark collars he would recommend? And if he thinks there are any drawbacks to using them? I will not be keeping the on 24/7 - probably on during the morning time and evening times when dogs are walked. I am just a bit concerned if she'll become more reactive when she doesn't have the collar. Thank you. Ah, if you are out there with her then the long lead makes sense. I let Nala out free range in the fenced in backyard. I want to keep a long lead on her so I can reel her in when she doesn't listen to me. But she'll pee anywhere outside there and it'll be gross for me to handle the lead if it was dragged thru that.
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Post by Pink Cashmere on Mar 31, 2023 14:57:23 GMT -5
Raeoflyte, Thank you for the recommendations. I might sometimes be in meetings and will not be able to squirt water, drag her to her place, etc when she's barking at the front window at dogs walking. So, I need something like a bark collar. So, a bark collar is triggered when the dog barks but an ecollar is triggered by a human when needed? That's correct. So the bark collar gives corrections on its own. I may use an ecollar with puppy for the whining since the bark collar can't pick that up. A couple tips on the bark collar are to wear that alone without any other collar, write your phone # on the bark collar in case the dog gets out with only that on, and don't have them wear it more than 12 hours a day, rotate it and check for pressure sores. There are citronella spray bark collars too but I haven't used them. I don't use the shock collars on any level that is too uncomfortable for me to handle personally. I'm not trying to hurt the dogs, just get their attention and be clear with expectations. My trainer said to look at it as resource trading instead of bribery (using treats to get the dog to come in). But sometimes treats aren't worth giving up what they already have. I know there are dogs out there that value human praise above all else, but I've never had one - scratch that - puppy actually might be that dog, but devil dog is not. I had forgotten but training takes a long time, and what works with 1 dog may not work with another. I've been so frustrated over the last couple years working through various issues. I'm by no means perfect but I put in a lot of time and effort which seems like should mean something and devil dog is still "the world's most okay-est dog". I cannot lure Newbie into a vehicle with treats. And when she was acting a nut when we went to the park, she was not interested in the treats I offered her to correct her behavior. I did use treats to train my big dogs. After they got consistent with working for a treat, they may or may not get a treat if they did what I asked, but they still always got praise. So I kind of weaned them off the treats until they consistently did what I asked, regardless. But I was also very consistent with training them, I worked with them every day, twice/days for short periods of time. It was a lot of work and effort for several months, maybe even a year, but it paid off with having 2 dogs that did whatever me or my children told them to do, even though one dog weighed almost as much as I did, and more than my children at the time. It was also easier to teach my children while I was training the dogs, than it is to teach Mister. Just a couple days ago, he was grumbling about all my rules. But he’s never had a dog that did what you tell them, the first time you tell them, until Newbie, and even though he sees how much easier life is with her, he still is a Disneyland type dog Dad. So I admit I have not been nearly as consistent with training Boy as I should be. Annie7 what do you feed Nala that she doesn’t really like? OG didn’t really care for the food Mister was giving her. Then we got Newbie and started feeding them all natural food with no fillers, and OG loved it. I’ve read advice from some trainers that suggest using small bits of something smelly for training. Like small pieces of hot dog or cheese. It needs to be small enough that they don’t get distracted by having to do a lot of chewing. I know you said Nala has a sensitive stomach, so that might limit the smelly stuff you can offer her. I apologize if I’m telling you stuff you already know lol. But also, when I was training Newbie to walk on a leash (which obviously needs more work now), I bought a little pouch I wore around my waist to hold treats. The part that holds the treats doesn’t close, so it’s easy to get the treats out. It has a small zippered compartment that my phone fits in perfectly for going on walks, and a mesh outer pocket. It’s kind of like a Fanny pack tailored for dog training lol Anyway, all dogs are different, but I can say from experience that treats can be a huge help with training most of them. And it doesn’t mean having to always have treats on hand for the rest of your life. In my experience, it just helps motivate them to learn what you want them to learn and if you are consistent with your training, eventually they will do the same behaviors just because you tell them too, treat or not. One last thing, I do believe our dogs can feel and feed off of our energy. If a certain situation makes us anxious, it’s possible that our dog will feel anxious too. If we can remain calm and confident, it helps keep our dogs calm. Not always easy to do, when faced with a real life “situation”, but I do try to remember that myself. And again, I apologize if I’m telling you more stuff that you already know.
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Mar 31, 2023 15:15:33 GMT -5
Post by Pink Cashmere on Mar 31, 2023 15:15:33 GMT -5
Ok. What specifically do you want me to ask him? I want to make sure I ask the right questions. If I have him on the long lead out in the backyard, it will specifically be to work with him. Most of the dog poop is inside the small fenced in area around the deck. Which sounds gross, but works for encouraging Mister to keep it picked up, because he doesn’t want to hear me complaining about smelling dog poop when I’m on the deck. Could you please ask him which bark collars he would recommend? And if he thinks there are any drawbacks to using them? I will not be keeping the on 24/7 - probably on during the morning time and evening times when dogs are walked. I am just a bit concerned if she'll become more reactive when she doesn't have the collar. Thank you. Ah, if you are out there with her then the long lead makes sense. I let Nala out free range in the fenced in backyard. I want to keep a long lead on her so I can reel her in when she doesn't listen to me. But she'll pee anywhere outside there and it'll be gross for me to handle the lead if it was dragged thru that. Okay, I will ask him and let you know what he says. I am very, very squeamish and have issues with germs and even getting my hands dirty, so trust me, I get the gross factor lol. But even with all that, I would deal with the potential “ick” factor if I had to, to teach my dog to ALWAYS come to me when I say so. It’s just that important to me, because it can be a matter of safety. Maybe get a couple of the long leads, and wear disposable gloves during your training session. And throw the leads in the washing machine as needed. If you have more than one, maybe you can manage to always have a clean one. When that big ass snake startled me on the deck, Newbie was down in the grass, inside the fence. When I took off running off the deck and out the fence, I yelled her name and she immediately came running behind me. While I was using the keypad to let the garage door up, she was sniffing around in the grass on the other side of the driveway. But when I yelled her name and told her “come on!” She came flying into the garage with me. That was one time I was very glad she’s so obedient. Because if she hadn’t come running when I first yelled for her, she could’ve wandered up on the deck and tangled with the snake. I don’t know that I would’ve been brave enough to try to get the snake away from her if that had happened. Sometimes when she’s playing out in the yard and I’m on the deck, I’ll call her to me for no reason. She comes running, I love on her and tell her what a good girl she is, then pat her side and tell her “go play” and off she goes again to run around out in the yard some more. I do that so she knows that coming when I call her doesn’t necessarily mean her fun and running around is over. At least that’s how it works in my mind, and what I hope she has learned from it lol.
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Mar 31, 2023 15:53:13 GMT -5
Post by Annie7 on Mar 31, 2023 15:53:13 GMT -5
That's correct. So the bark collar gives corrections on its own. I may use an ecollar with puppy for the whining since the bark collar can't pick that up. A couple tips on the bark collar are to wear that alone without any other collar, write your phone # on the bark collar in case the dog gets out with only that on, and don't have them wear it more than 12 hours a day, rotate it and check for pressure sores. There are citronella spray bark collars too but I haven't used them. I don't use the shock collars on any level that is too uncomfortable for me to handle personally. I'm not trying to hurt the dogs, just get their attention and be clear with expectations. My trainer said to look at it as resource trading instead of bribery (using treats to get the dog to come in). But sometimes treats aren't worth giving up what they already have. I know there are dogs out there that value human praise above all else, but I've never had one - scratch that - puppy actually might be that dog, but devil dog is not. I had forgotten but training takes a long time, and what works with 1 dog may not work with another. I've been so frustrated over the last couple years working through various issues. I'm by no means perfect but I put in a lot of time and effort which seems like should mean something and devil dog is still "the world's most okay-est dog". I cannot lure Newbie into a vehicle with treats. And when she was acting a nut when we went to the park, she was not interested in the treats I offered her to correct her behavior. I did use treats to train my big dogs. After they got consistent with working for a treat, they may or may not get a treat if they did what I asked, but they still always got praise. So I kind of weaned them off the treats until they consistently did what I asked, regardless. But I was also very consistent with training them, I worked with them every day, twice/days for short periods of time. It was a lot of work and effort for several months, maybe even a year, but it paid off with having 2 dogs that did whatever me or my children told them to do, even though one dog weighed almost as much as I did, and more than my children at the time. It was also easier to teach my children while I was training the dogs, than it is to teach Mister. Just a couple days ago, he was grumbling about all my rules. But he’s never had a dog that did what you tell them, the first time you tell them, until Newbie, and even though he sees how much easier life is with her, he still is a Disneyland type dog Dad. So I admit I have not been nearly as consistent with training Boy as I should be. Annie7 what do you feed Nala that she doesn’t really like? OG didn’t really care for the food Mister was giving her. Then we got Newbie and started feeding them all natural food with no fillers, and OG loved it. I’ve read advice from some trainers that suggest using small bits of something smelly for training. Like small pieces of hot dog or cheese. It needs to be small enough that they don’t get distracted by having to do a lot of chewing. I know you said Nala has a sensitive stomach, so that might limit the smelly stuff you can offer her. I apologize if I’m telling you stuff you already know lol. But also, when I was training Newbie to walk on a leash (which obviously needs more work now), I bought a little pouch I wore around my waist to hold treats. The part that holds the treats doesn’t close, so it’s easy to get the treats out. It has a small zippered compartment that my phone fits in perfectly for going on walks, and a mesh outer pocket. It’s kind of like a Fanny pack tailored for dog training lol Anyway, all dogs are different, but I can say from experience that treats can be a huge help with training most of them. And it doesn’t mean having to always have treats on hand for the rest of your life. In my experience, it just helps motivate them to learn what you want them to learn and if you are consistent with your training, eventually they will do the same behaviors just because you tell them too, treat or not. One last thing, I do believe our dogs can feel and feed off of our energy. If a certain situation makes us anxious, it’s possible that our dog will feel anxious too. If we can remain calm and confident, it helps keep our dogs calm. Not always easy to do, when faced with a real life “situation”, but I do try to remember that myself. And again, I apologize if I’m telling you more stuff that you already know. What is the natural food that you are feeding? I was feeing Nala Purina Pro Plan but her stools were soft. I switched to Royal Canin and she was good. She has been losing weight since joining daycare - from 75 to 68 lb. The vet said that the volume of food needed to maintain her weight is too much and so to switch to sports food. So I just started Taste of the Wild, Ancient Stream. She has starting trouble. Once she starts eating, she'll finish. But getting her to take the first couple of bites is the issue. I try hand feeding her - put a piece of cheese along with a couple of kibble and slowly increase the kibble ratio, etc. I pressure cook a combo of rice-lentils-frozen veggies-pumpkin puree-coconut oil and then blend them. I give her about 6 tablespoons of this thinned out with some water and topped with the salad chicken cubes from costco. (I am vegetarian and I am not comfortable cooking meat, so this is my compromise even though it's expensive). This she gobbles up with no issues. I am always with a dog training over the shoulder pouch when I'm out with her. I have treats in there along with my phone, keys, etc. I used to use it to distract her from other dogs, etc. Now I rarely use treats during our walk but I do use it for positive reinforcement sometimes - like when she sees a dog and does a "leave it" and doesn't bark. I praise her and give her a treat. I too have read about the smelly stuff. My being vegetarian and my ick factor limits what I can do. I've tried cheese but she's not super into them. I know I should be calm during her barking/lunging. I am getting better at it. But like you said, sometimes it's hard I really appreciate you giving me all these suggestions. My issue is being consistent. I do it for a few days and then slack off. I should be more consistent. I feel old and done with being the strict parent. I want to be the disney dad Please don't apologize. I really appreciate all your suggestions and how well you have trained Newbie and are trying with Boy. Thank you. Please keep them coming.
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