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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 8, 2022 12:33:49 GMT -5
RIP Your Majesty
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Post by mollyanna58 on Sept 8, 2022 12:57:52 GMT -5
RIP. A life well lived and a job well done.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 8, 2022 13:06:27 GMT -5
I am so glad that a white man is finally getting a break and has the opportunity to be in power. It is about time.
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Post by anciana on Sept 8, 2022 13:16:07 GMT -5
RIP Your Majesty My condolences to you and your countrymen
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 8, 2022 13:25:10 GMT -5
and everyone else of course other countries and members of the Commonwealth. I guess we all knew it was coming sooner rather than later. What a loss from a complete life of service. Bless her.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 8, 2022 13:41:20 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 8, 2022 14:00:44 GMT -5
and everyone else of course other countries and members of the Commonwealth. I guess we all knew it was coming sooner rather than later. What a loss from a complete life of service. Bless her. I had a feeling the queen was fading very quickly today based upon the news this morning her doctors were concerned for the queen's health.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 8, 2022 14:06:06 GMT -5
Thank you, though I'm not sure why I'm garnering sympathy. She was Queen to many, many millions. I took the kids to meet her once and stood a few feet away She was surprisingly small in real life. We have 10 days of mourning (I think) The family have gone to Balmoral (Scotland) and Harry and William have gone to be with their father. They will return London tomorrow and I guess we will know what is happening then.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 8, 2022 14:08:37 GMT -5
Yes the Palace just doesn't issue statements like that..... and they cancelled the evening programming for news specials.
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Post by haapai on Sept 8, 2022 15:43:38 GMT -5
I'm American and I've lived long enough in a monarchy (not the UK) to become an ardent republican but I'm still a bit gutted by this news. She was a good monarch, if there is such a thing. And she's been there all of my life.
I've got a few Canadian and British coins and stamps that don't have her on them, but they have been oddities until now. I am not prepared to see postage and coinage without her visage on them. I am particularly poorly-prepared for seeing a male silhouette on these things.
Forgive me if I am babbling. But she was unusually competent and her female-ness really softened a lot of the nastiness of empire. I'm gonna have to come to terms with that.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 8, 2022 17:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by Opti on Sept 8, 2022 18:24:17 GMT -5
I hope she is at peace. It will be weird to have a British King. She has been queen my entire life.
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Post by laterbloomer on Sept 8, 2022 20:09:15 GMT -5
I'm surprised Charles is considered King already. Isn't it time to get rid of that whole royal family bit?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 8, 2022 20:27:46 GMT -5
I'm surprised Charles is considered King already. Isn't it time to get rid of that whole royal family bit? No different here in the States. If the president dies while in office, the vice president immediately becomes president.
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Post by laterbloomer on Sept 8, 2022 20:31:41 GMT -5
I'm surprised Charles is considered King already. Isn't it time to get rid of that whole royal family bit? No different here in the States. If the president dies while in office, the vice president immediately becomes president. Very different! The Pres and VP are elected positions. The monarchy is...not.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 8, 2022 20:41:22 GMT -5
No different here in the States. If the president dies while in office, the vice president immediately becomes president. Very different! The Pres and VP are elected positions. The monarchy is...not. Well, used to be there was always some jumped up remote cousin who might show up with his army and seize the crown but over the last few hundred years it’s been a pretty mundane process having the next in line step in. Henry Tudor comes to mind. I think he had a royal grandparent but not sure it was on the right side of the sheets.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 8, 2022 20:45:02 GMT -5
No different here in the States. If the president dies while in office, the vice president immediately becomes president. Very different! The Pres and VP are elected positions. The monarchy is...not. It is the same in that either position ( king/queen or president) is not left empty. It is automatically filled. As for the monarchy-that's up to the citizens of the United Kingdom to either continue or end it. The people seem to want the monarchy to continue.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 8, 2022 22:14:30 GMT -5
No different here in the States. If the president dies while in office, the vice president immediately becomes president. Very different! The Pres and VP are elected positions. The monarchy is...not. It's not different from the perspective that there is a set of procedures/protocols that define succession when a monarch or a president dies. Just like there is if the Pope dies unexpectedly. And I suspect most big corporations have some sort of protocols to follow if any of the important people at the higher levels die unexpectedly. Not that long ago (in the 2000's) Japan was considering allowing a female heir to ascend to the chrysanthemum throne because there were female heirs but no direct male heir. The research and discussion went on for years and I think they were very close to changing the rules, but then one of the Royals in line to throne had a baby boy and the rules didn't need to change so they didn't go forward with changing them.
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Post by teen persuasion on Sept 8, 2022 22:31:26 GMT -5
I hope she is at peace. It will be weird to have a British King. She has been queen my entire life. I saw a stat that said 90% of people alive today were born after she ascended the throne. At least 90%...
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 8, 2022 23:33:00 GMT -5
Very different! The Pres and VP are elected positions. The monarchy is...not. It is the same in that either position ( king/queen or president) is not left empty. It is automatically filled. As for the monarchy-that's up to the citizens of the United Kingdom to either continue or end it. The people seem to want the monarchy to continue. I think the weird thing is that he is King without ceremony. But they will have a coronation in a year or so. Seems we are in a weirdo time when we have a King, but we are waiting for the official crowning.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 9, 2022 0:13:21 GMT -5
It is the same in that either position ( king/queen or president) is not left empty. It is automatically filled. As for the monarchy-that's up to the citizens of the United Kingdom to either continue or end it. The people seem to want the monarchy to continue. I think the weird thing is that he is King without ceremony. But they will have a coronation in a year or so. Seems we are in a weirdo time when we have a King, but we are waiting for the official crowning. The same thing happened when Queen Elizabeth became Queen. Her coronation was some time after she ascended the throne.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 9, 2022 1:19:45 GMT -5
I suppose it take quite a while to organise a coronation.
It will be full regalia I expect and lots of VIPs
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 9, 2022 12:48:55 GMT -5
It does take time to arrange, but I think there is also some decorum issues. When your beloved Dad dies of cancer at a young age, you don’t have a huge party celebrating your massive inheritance 2 weeks later, unless you are extremely tacky.
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Post by Tiny on Sept 9, 2022 13:22:07 GMT -5
I suspect the plan for the transfer of "power" has been in place for decades. I bet they even revisit it and revise it every year (or more often) since the Queen was so old (I do NOT mean that in a bad way. It's good to be Old. )
I think the powers that be in all this have more or less been in a state of 'waiting for the worse to happen' since early this year. I think the Queen had a health issue that required hospitalization back in Oct/Nov 2021? and then she had a bout of Covid 19 in February 22 which didn't require hospitalization (to the best of my knowledge) but I've been reading reports of her cutting back/missing since May/June of this year.
Didn't Charles start taking on more duties or whatever (more involved in the day to day) a couple of years ago? Didn't the Queen finalize how Camilla's title would be handled when Charles took the throne earlier this year?
Her passing is momentous. It's the end of a very long era.
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Post by haapai on Sept 9, 2022 13:59:59 GMT -5
Very different! The Pres and VP are elected positions. The monarchy is...not. It is the same in that either position ( king/queen or president) is not left empty. It is automatically filled. As for the monarchy-that's up to the citizens of the United Kingdom to either continue or end it. The people seem to want the monarchy to continue. I'm not surprised that they want to continue it. The last one was great and the franchise brings in great tourist bucks. Britain has also (possibly with the blessing of the royal family) taken some significant steps toward lessening the cost of maintaining the royals. Taxing the royal family was a big one but shrinking the number of royal persons who are supported one way or another by the state and offsetting the tourist bonanza or behaving so poorly that the people are asking whether the tourist bucks are worth the shame is probably even bigger.
Getting rid of the gender preference does amazing things for shrinking the royal family. The heir and the spare can now be female, which dramatically reduces the number of them that need to be pushed out and the number that need to be supported.
I'm still a little amazed that it took EII and her people so long to push through something so that so obviously contributed to the continuation of the monarchy. What does it mean that they accepted really high taxation before they decided that princesses and princes should be treated equally when it came to order of succession?
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Post by Icelandic Woman on Sept 9, 2022 14:16:05 GMT -5
She lived a long full life and I think her only misstep was how she handled Diana.
JMHO I think they should skip Chuck and install William.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Sept 9, 2022 14:27:58 GMT -5
They don't cost us much really. It's just over £1 per person, per year. The Royal estates, especially the Duchy of Cornwall are self-governing and bring in a lot of money to the Crown. Charles definitely wants to slim down the monarchy... and keep the rights to money from the civil list to the main members who are actually working for the Monarch. Seems sensible really .. and more in alignment to the other European Royals. It's a big family and those who are not working are expected to get a job like everyone else. Yes RE: Primogeniture. I always thought Anne would be a good Monarch. (Although she is second born) She works harder than anyone and takes herself in to situations that others won't go near. A very tough cookie. In a Constitutional Monarchy. One of the late Queen's greatest skills was diplomacy and statehood. She always got it right, said the right things, put people at ease. Charles will be fine, We have just heard from him and it was pitched perfectly. He has learned from the best.
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Post by Opti on Sept 9, 2022 17:27:25 GMT -5
I think Anne would have made a good Monarch as well.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 9, 2022 18:28:47 GMT -5
I hope Her Majesty has found not only peace, but that Prince Philip was waiting for her in spirit. They are together again, she on a horse and him driving his carriage, on a perfect lawn. And that all her Corgis, from the first one on, will be waiting for their treats. And that she will find her sister Margaret also waiting and also (finally) enjoying a peace she never really found during her life. I heard on the news that she still had four Corgis. I hope whomever takes care of them now will consider it an honor to do so. Queen of the world indeed. Not a perfect person, or a perfect life, and she probably would have been the first to admit that. But a life of service and duty and country before all else.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Sept 9, 2022 18:55:22 GMT -5
I just hope the transitions in all areas goes smoothly. One question is does King Charles get to keep his duchy or does that go to Prince of Wales? I read one article on the wealth, businesses and holdings of the Monarchy.
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