Depp - Heard Verdict

[Ombud]

Depp-$10 million in compensatory damages + $5 million dollars in punitive damages (but capped at $350,000 per Virginia state law)
Heard-$2 million in compensatory damages

Net Depp +$8.35m

Depp - will another Pirates of the Caribbean be made?
Heard - I cannot think of a single film where she was the 'star power' of it

More importantly does this lead strength to the fact that women can also be perps of domestic violence (intentionally trying to ruin careers as retaliation or to strengthen theirs)?

[andi9899]

I don't know if another pirates movie will come out of it but Johnny will be seen on the big screen soon I bet.

Nobody really knew who Amber was until now. I see indie and low budget films in her future for a while.

[happyhoix]

To be perfectly clear, I only noticed small bits of this. It ranked around the Kardashian clan on my radar, which means barely a blip.

However, I don’t go along with the ‘always believe the women’ idea. Women certainly can have mental illness. They are very capable of marrying a famous person to borrow their coat tails. My own mom was a narcissistic martyr capable of finding offense in very banal realities and having dramatic melt downs.

I also think Deep is celebrity who was unfortunate in finding fame and money too early in his career. He seems to be frequently drunk or high and probably does shit he doesn’t remember, and possibly that includes physical abuse.

IMHO, two unreliable narrators and spoiled celebrities squabbling. I do think social media was harder on Heard than it should be, but social media is prone to that kind of misogynistic crap.

[bean29]

Jun 2, 2022 12:42:58 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

To be perfectly clear, I only noticed small bits of this. It ranked around the Kardashian clan on my radar, which means barely a blip.

However, I don’t go along with the ‘always believe the women’ idea. Women certainly can have mental illness. They are very capable of marrying a famous person to borrow their coat tails. My own mom was a narcissistic martyr capable of finding offense in very banal realities and having dramatic melt downs.

I also think Deep is celebrity who was unfortunate in finding fame and money too early in his career. He seems to be frequently drunk or high and probably does shit he doesn’t remember, and possibly that includes physical abuse.

IMHO, two unreliable narrators and spoiled celebrities squabbling. I do think social media was harder on Heard than it should be, but social media is prone to that kind of misogynistic crap.

This pretty much sums up how I feel.  She probably instigated SH!t.  He is probably not as innocent as he came off.  I don't care enough to delve into the details disclosed in court, and I am not sure what was presented is actually the truth.  I am concerned that him winning the libel suit will make abused women afraid to talk about their abuse/seek treatment.  Not saying it is not just, I am just afraid their may be adverse consequences despite the fact that it was probably merited in this case.  Does she have that kind of $$?  I am figuring she will appeal and it will be vastly reduced.

My DD who is 25 claims she has never watched Pirates of the Caribbean (2003).  I remember watching it a lot.  It was a favorite of my Son - and I mentioned Zorro with Antonio Banderas and Cathrine Zeta-Jones (1993).  DD did not remember that one either.  I have to remember to ask DS if he remembers those 2 movies.  I figure DD watched them, just does not remember watching it, she would have been only 6 when Pirates came out.

[hurley1980]

I think they are both abusers of some sort.  And they both need professional help.  The problem was that she intentionally tried to ruin his career when she posted her op-ed.  She knew she was just as abusive as he was, but tried to play the victim card to gain attention.  Now its all out in the open.  Neither one of them is innocent, but you can't play the victim when you were also an abuser as well.  

He will be fine.  Everyone knew he had substance abuse issues.  She won't be in any big movies anymore, they already removed her from Aquaman 2.  I never saw the first one, but that is the only thing I really know her being in. It's not like she is losing a lot. 

[swamp]

They're both nuts. 

[Tiny]

They're both nuts. 

And they both have lots of money...

I will admit I didn't follow any of this - as it seemed like a grudge match or a pissing contest. rather than someone unfairly treated or abuse (wouldn't that have been dealt with as part of their divorce? - which I assume came before this trial?).

Whatever don't want to know and don't care.

[Tiny]

I feel that Depp could have done nothing and easily survived the "he hit/abused Amber" storm. He's male. He has money. He's a Celebrity. but here we are - hence my reference to grudge or pissing contest. Or maybe a power play by Depp - he's an abusive kinda guy and he "won". woo hoo. Not the first and not the last.

[Deleted]

I wasn’t following it either. But yesterday I saw something on FB referring to Johnny Depp saying there was a picture from her, where there was feces on his side of the bed. That sounded crazy, and I Googled them and the lawsuits.

I agree with Swamp that they are both nuts. 

He says she threw a vodka bottle at him that somehow severed the tip of one of his fingers, doctors said he told them he did it himself, or he said he caught it in a door, another doctor said that the scenario he describes wouldn’t have severed his finger the way it was, and he says he lied about how it happened to protect her.

She says he sexually assaulted her with a liquor bottle that she thought at first was his fist, until she saw broken glass and realized it was a bottle.

They both had some pretty bizarre stories about things the other one supposedly did. And there was drugs and alcohol use and abuse on both sides, although it seems that he had some serious addictions and she got upset with him when he didn’t stay sober from one of them, maybe alcohol…… I don’t remember exactly.

A whole lot of crazy shit seems to have happened in the short time they were married. I don’t believe either of them is as innocent as they tried to portray themselves to be.

And as far as the feces on the bed, she says their dog must have done it. He insists it was human feces. But I’m still wondering where the picture came from. If Newbie shit on our bed, it wouldn’t occur to me to take a picture of it and send it to Mister. Imma be balling the cover up and heading to the garbage with it. And if I did send him a picture of it, it would be with text saying “look what this damn dog did, now we gotta buy new bed linens!” So was there nothing said to put the picture in context? It was just a picture with shit on his side of the bed? WTF?!

So that was disturbing enough to make me Google it, because that was crazy to me.

[laterbloomer]

"She thought it was his FIST"?

I need brain bleach 😖

[Deleted]

Jun 2, 2022 20:30:24 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

"She thought it was his FIST"?

I need brain bleach 😖

Sorry for giving you that image. But that’s what I read earlier today, on USA Today’s website.

[justme]

Jun 2, 2022 19:21:49 GMT -5 Tiny said:

I feel that Depp could have done nothing and easily survived the "he hit/abused Amber" storm. He's male. He has money. He's a Celebrity. but here we are - hence my reference to grudge or pissing contest. Or maybe a power play by Depp - he's an abusive kinda guy and he "won". woo hoo. Not the first and not the last.

Depends on survive... he was definitely axed from pirates and the Harry Potter movie and I've seen other stuff where no one is really hiring him. But after a while if it went away more or less quietly there's a chance he could be hired again.

[justme]

I think they're both crazy, I just always found her a bit more calculating? Conniving? I'm not exactly sure. When the recordings came out I always thought it was rather shitty at her to call him out for abuse and cause his career harm if she was abusing him too. And her I'm going to give my divorce settlement to charity and then not. Like no one said you had to give it away, but if you said it going on about how you weren't doing it for the money then you should have done.

Hadn't heard the fist thing, but I'm just sitting here wondering how it was confused for broken glass.

[Deleted]

Jun 2, 2022 20:44:57 GMT -5 justme said:

I think they're both crazy, I just always found her a bit more calculating? Conniving? I'm not exactly sure. When the recordings came out I always thought it was rather shitty at her to call him out for abuse and cause his career harm if she was abusing him too. And her I'm going to give my divorce settlement to charity and then not. Like no one said you had to give it away, but if you said it going on about how you weren't doing it for the money then you should have done.

Hadn't heard the fist thing, but I'm just sitting here wondering how it was confused for broken glass.

I know I read about it this morning. And it didn’t really make sense to me then either. But a lot of stuff I’ve read about them didn’t really make sense.

I just Googled it, and saw this link article about it, but it doesn’t say she thought it was his fist, like the article I read this morning said. 

[Opti]

Jun 2, 2022 20:21:06 GMT -5 @pinkcshmere said:

I wasn’t following it either. But yesterday I saw something on FB referring to Johnny Depp saying there was a picture from her, where there was feces on his side of the bed. That sounded crazy, and I Googled them and the lawsuits.

I agree with Swamp that they are both nuts. 

He says she threw a vodka bottle at him that somehow severed the tip of one of his fingers, doctors said he told them he did it himself, or he said he caught it in a door, another doctor said that the scenario he describes wouldn’t have severed his finger the way it was, and he says he lied about how it happened to protect her.

She says he sexually assaulted her with a liquor bottle that she thought at first was his fist, until she saw broken glass and realized it was a bottle.

They both had some pretty bizarre stories about things the other one supposedly did. And there was drugs and alcohol use and abuse on both sides, although it seems that he had some serious addictions and she got upset with him when he didn’t stay sober from one of them, maybe alcohol…… I don’t remember exactly.

A whole lot of crazy shit seems to have happened in the short time they were married. I don’t believe either of them is as innocent as they tried to portray themselves to be.

And as far as the feces on the bed, she says their dog must have done it. He insists it was human feces. But I’m still wondering where the picture came from. If Newbie shit on our bed, it wouldn’t occur to me to take a picture of it and send it to Mister. Imma be balling the cover up and heading to the garbage with it. And if I did send him a picture of it, it would be with text saying “look what this damn dog did, now we gotta buy new bed linens!” So was there nothing said to put the picture in context? It was just a picture with shit on his side of the bed? WTF?!

So that was disturbing enough to make me Google it, because that was crazy to me.

The bottle whatever thing kind of lost me. Unless she was really out of it, things should feel different. Finding a broken bottle on the floor or wherever would really only be proof that a bottle was broken. There needs to be more than that like say bodily fluids or something.

I would have preferred to not follow this trial at all. The only thing that is obvious to me is they were terribly toxic for each other. And given all the abuse she said happened before they got married; why in the heck did she marry him instead of run the other way? That's yet another thing that lost me big time.

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I don't think either one of them came out smelling like roses.  He has his demons, she has hers.  I feel like the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.  They were both the abused and the abuser but were probably so off their rocker during most of it neither recalls who did what.

Given sexism I think his career will bounce back better than hers.  Look at Kevin Spacey.   I personally think both of them need to go away, he should have more than enough money to retire at this point.

I am more concerned about the long term impact of this on domestic violence cases.  There are a lot of toxic people out there latching onto Johnny Depp as some sort of vindication that women lie about  being abused.  That's going to make women even more afraid to come forward.

Absolutely Johnny should be believed just as much as a woman.  People seem to not understand that doesn't automatically equate to Amber lying.  It means if Johnny is bringing the claim it should be treated seriously and investigated then the evidence leads where it needs to go.  Amber deserved the same respect no matter how much anyone dislikes her as a person.   

His star power and her reputation were too much in play when it came to the peanut gallery taking sides.

Their very public squabble is going to do a lot of damage for people out there who don't have their financial means or level of visibility in similar situations.  

[andi9899]

I watch the trial for weeks. They both had/have a drug and alcohol problem. The difference was that Amber couldn't back up her claims but Johnny could.

If he hurt you so badly that you thought your nose was broken, why is there no documentation? She's a celebrity, she very well could done so and had bodyguards keep him and others away from her. If she was SAed with a bottle, why not tell someone?

She alerted TMZ that she was filing a TRO so that they would be there to take pictures. She alerted them again by her own (accidental) admission that she was filing for divorce. Why?

Johnny was able to provide lots of witnesses that testified that they never saw any violence between them. She only had one witness to the abuse and it was her sister. Add to that the fact that her legal team sucks and Johnny's was totally BA and she was bound to lose.

[thyme4change]

Clearly a toxic relationship. Either she is 80% responsible and him 20% (according to the awards) OR he is a better actor, so he convinced the courts he was only 20% responsible for the toxicity.

[laterbloomer]

Jun 3, 2022 11:56:27 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I don't think either one of them came out smelling like roses.  He has his demons, she has hers.  I feel like the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.  They were both the abused and the abuser but were probably so off their rocker during most of it neither recalls who did what.

Given sexism I think his career will bounce back better than hers.  Look at Kevin Spacey.   I personally think both of them need to go away, he should have more than enough money to retire at this point.

I am more concerned about the long term impact of this on domestic violence cases.  There are a lot of toxic people out there latching onto Johnny Depp as some sort of vindication that women lie about  being abused.  That's going to make women even more afraid to come forward.

Absolutely Johnny should be believed just as much as a woman.  People seem to not understand that doesn't automatically equate to Amber lying.  It means if Johnny is bringing the claim it should be treated seriously and investigated then the evidence leads where it needs to go.  Amber deserved the same respect no matter how much anyone dislikes her as a person.   

His star power and her reputation were too much in play when it came to the peanut gallery taking sides.

Their very public squabble is going to do a lot of damage for people out there who don't have their financial means or level of visibility in similar situations.  

Yet again you say what I was thinking better than I could.

[laterbloomer]

Jun 3, 2022 14:05:49 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Clearly a toxic relationship. Either she is 80% responsible and him 20% (according to the awards) OR he is a better actor, so he convinced the courts he was only 20% responsible for the toxicity.

His PR campaign was definitely better. People were attacking her for absolutely EVERYTHING. What she wore, her facial expressions, why she put a water bottle in her pocket...things that really had nothing to do with the case. In the mean time everything he did was charming and funny.

[hurley1980]

Jun 3, 2022 14:13:19 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 3, 2022 14:05:49 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Clearly a toxic relationship. Either she is 80% responsible and him 20% (according to the awards) OR he is a better actor, so he convinced the courts he was only 20% responsible for the toxicity.

His PR campaign was definitely better. People were attacking her for absolutely EVERYTHING. What she wore, her facial expressions, why she put a water bottle in her pocket...things that really had nothing to do with the case. In the mean time everything he did was charming and funny.

Women are always attacked more when there is a case between a man and a woman. She really should have just taken her divorce money and shut the hell up.  I'm betting she wishes she would now.  

Writing an Op-ed about being an abuse survivor, when the last relationship you were in was with a high profile legendary star, is never going to end well.  Especially when said star has more dirt on you, than you have on them, and more money.  I'm honestly surprised she DIDNT think writing that would backfire on her. 

She's seems kind of stupid to me. As a victim of abuse, the last thing I want to do is stir up old drama with my abuse ex, and poke the bear.  I have stayed as far away from him and anyone he knows, and because of that, I haven't heard from him since our divorce.....7 years ago. 

I really don't know what she was thinking, but I don't believe she is the only bad buy.  They both were.  But she was free from the relationship, why bring the drama back to you?!?!?!

[chiver78]

that   is because I agree with all your thoughts, hurley. not b/c you were a victim yourself. 

[taz157]

Jun 3, 2022 14:44:34 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

that   is because I agree with all your thoughts, hurley. not b/c you were a victim yourself. 

Yeah that!

I’m sorry to read you were a victim. ((((Hugs))))

[laterbloomer]

Jun 3, 2022 14:33:38 GMT -5 hurley1980 said:

Jun 3, 2022 14:13:19 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

His PR campaign was definitely better. People were attacking her for absolutely EVERYTHING. What she wore, her facial expressions, why she put a water bottle in her pocket...things that really had nothing to do with the case. In the mean time everything he did was charming and funny.

Women are always attacked more when there is a case between a man and a woman. She really should have just taken her divorce money and shut the hell up.  I'm betting she wishes she would now.  

Writing an Op-ed about being an abuse survivor, when the last relationship you were in was with a high profile legendary star, is never going to end well.  Especially when said star has more dirt on you, than you have on them, and more money.  I'm honestly surprised she DIDNT think writing that would backfire on her. 

She's seems kind of stupid to me. As a victim of abuse, the last thing I want to do is stir up old drama with my abuse ex, and poke the bear.  I have stayed as far away from him and anyone he knows, and because of that, I haven't heard from him since our divorce.....7 years ago. 

I really don't know what she was thinking, but I don't believe she is the only bad buy.  They both were.  But she was free from the relationship, why bring the drama back to you?!?!?!

I both agree and disagree with you. Amber should not have tried to get attention with the abuse as she was so complicit herself. However we as a society need to make it safe for people like yourself to name and confront the abusers. I'm not saying you need to confront him. I'm saying we need to make it safe enough that you don't male that decision out of fear.

[andi9899]

Jun 3, 2022 14:10:14 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Jun 3, 2022 11:56:27 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I don't think either one of them came out smelling like roses.  He has his demons, she has hers.  I feel like the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.  They were both the abused and the abuser but were probably so off their rocker during most of it neither recalls who did what.

Given sexism I think his career will bounce back better than hers.  Look at Kevin Spacey.   I personally think both of them need to go away, he should have more than enough money to retire at this point.

I am more concerned about the long term impact of this on domestic violence cases.  There are a lot of toxic people out there latching onto Johnny Depp as some sort of vindication that women lie about  being abused.  That's going to make women even more afraid to come forward.

Absolutely Johnny should be believed just as much as a woman.  People seem to not understand that doesn't automatically equate to Amber lying.  It means if Johnny is bringing the claim it should be treated seriously and investigated then the evidence leads where it needs to go.  Amber deserved the same respect no matter how much anyone dislikes her as a person.   

His star power and her reputation were too much in play when it came to the peanut gallery taking sides.

Their very public squabble is going to do a lot of damage for people out there who don't have their financial means or level of visibility in similar situations.  

Yet again you say what I was thinking better than I could.

She does that for me all the time.

[Spellbound454]

I saw a bit of her evidence whilst she was testifying.
She was speaking, pausing and breathing like an actor ....... and it was really off-putting

Couldn't really invest after that as its hard to discern if what you are looking at has any integrity.

However the court has heard all the evidence and decided that Johnny Depp was deliberately defamed.
So we have to accept that is what happened.

Whilst I have heard the outcries that abused women won't come foreward..... the Court decided that she wasn't abused.
So that's where it is.

[NastyWoman]

All I saw was a picture of her "crying" on tbe stand. My first thought was that looks just like Kyle Rittenhouse crying - and I did not be!ieve him when he did so but it worked for him. Next thought: that is really, really bad acting. As a professional she shoyld have been able to fake it much better.

[thyme4change]

Given sexism I think his career will bounce back better than hers.    

Sure, sexism - but also he has been a mega-star box office draw for 40 years. He is the center of a beloved franchise of movies. Amber Heard is D list.