The faux outrage that Biden is stockpiling baby formula...

[justme]

It's like asking which is farther left in the road - the single dotted line down the center or the solid double lines down the center.

[pulmonarymd]

Conservatives do not recognize how far right they have moved. It is one reason that northeast liberal republicans no longer exist. Just think, calling people rinos might have had a negative effect

[tallguy]

May 23, 2022 19:52:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 23, 2022 10:28:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Obama actually governed like a moderate Republican.  If you think he was far-left your vision is seriously skewed.

You may not think of yourself as far-right, but you are certainly hitting a fair number of their talking points.

So since the last democrat president before Obama was Clinton. My question is who was farther left Clinton or Obama? 

I have said many times that the best thing Clinton did was bring the Democratic Party toward the center.  Both Clinton and Obama are/were basically centrists.  Neither could in any way by any rational thought process be described as leftist or far-left. 

[djAdvocate]

May 23, 2022 19:52:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 23, 2022 10:28:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Obama actually governed like a moderate Republican.  If you think he was far-left your vision is seriously skewed.

You may not think of yourself as far-right, but you are certainly hitting a fair number of their talking points.

So since the last democrat president before Obama was Clinton. My question is who was farther left Clinton or Obama? 

i never really even considered Clinton to be a Democrat.  it is why i voted for him in 1996.
he was from fucking Arkansas, and he didn't inhale.  what kind of liberal has those creds?
no kind of liberal.  that's what kind.

note: Southern Democrats are a different breed.  they are quite conservative, for the most part.  David Duke ran as a Democrat in LA, and won.

[djAdvocate]

May 23, 2022 20:00:56 GMT -5 dondub said:

May 23, 2022 19:52:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

So since the last democrat president before Obama was Clinton. My question is who was farther left Clinton or Obama? 

Neither. They governed as centrists while you Repo-Cons have consistently moved further right. Nixxon would NOT be acceptable anymore even though he had a criminal regime like Reagan, W, and Trump. Just too liberal.

i post on another board where a poster claimed that Nixon was the last liberal president.
it is an interesting claim, with some justification.

[tallguy]

May 23, 2022 21:24:39 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 23, 2022 20:00:56 GMT -5 dondub said:

Neither. They governed as centrists while you Repo-Cons have consistently moved further right. Nixxon would NOT be acceptable anymore even though he had a criminal regime like Reagan, W, and Trump. Just too liberal.

i post on another board where a poster claimed that Nixon was the last liberal president.
it is an interesting claim, with some justification.

I would still say he is the best Republican president of my lifetime.  Yes, he had his personal demons and those should be taken into account, but the bar is so low otherwise....  

[justme]

May 23, 2022 21:23:17 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 23, 2022 19:52:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

So since the last democrat president before Obama was Clinton. My question is who was farther left Clinton or Obama? 

i never really even considered Clinton to be a Democrat.  it is why i voted for him in 1996.
he was from fucking Arkansas, and he didn't inhale.  what kind of liberal has those creds?
no kind of liberal.  that's what kind.

note: Southern Democrats are a different breed.  they are quite conservative, for the most part.  David Duke ran as a Democrat in LA, and won.

The number of times I've had to explain that southern democrats were not in any shape or form what today's democrats are makes my head hurt.

[scgal]

May 23, 2022 20:00:56 GMT -5 dondub said:

May 23, 2022 19:52:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

So since the last democrat president before Obama was Clinton. My question is who was farther left Clinton or Obama? 

Neither. They governed as centrists while you Repo-Cons have consistently moved further right. Nixxon would NOT be acceptable anymore even though he had a criminal regime like Reagan, W, and Trump. Just too liberal.

[chiver78]

May 23, 2022 21:11:49 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Conservatives do not recognize how far right they have moved. It is one reason that northeast liberal republicans no longer exist. Just think, calling people rinos might have had a negative effect

we are actually losing our moderate Republican governor this fall, as he's choosing not to run for re-election in the current political atmosphere. Charlie Baker (R-MA) likely feared he'd be primaried by the guy that ran against him last time around and lost. if you've never heard of Geoff Diehl, I suggest looking him up. I'm planning to vote R in the primaries, so I can vote for his opponent. 

[pulmonarymd]

Baker did a good job in my opinion. We need more R like him. Unfortunately, they are a dying breed

[dondub]

May 24, 2022 7:59:00 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 23, 2022 20:00:56 GMT -5 dondub said:

Neither. They governed as centrists while you Repo-Cons have consistently moved further right. Nixxon would NOT be acceptable anymore even though he had a criminal regime like Reagan, W, and Trump. Just too liberal.

Thanks for revealing what you don’t know.

[dondub]

May 24, 2022 7:59:00 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 23, 2022 20:00:56 GMT -5 dondub said:

Neither. They governed as centrists while you Repo-Cons have consistently moved further right. Nixxon would NOT be acceptable anymore even though he had a criminal regime like Reagan, W, and Trump. Just too liberal.

Start here. Education can be a wonderful thing.😎

medium.com/@rickbrownell/nixon-the-progressive-a477c9949055

[scgal]

May 24, 2022 9:31:31 GMT -5 dondub said:

May 24, 2022 7:59:00 GMT -5 scgal said:

Thanks for revealing what you don’t know.

i'm laughing Obama is center. Although I think he would be better than Hillary

[tallguy]

May 24, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 24, 2022 9:31:31 GMT -5 dondub said:

Thanks for revealing what you don’t know.

i'm laughing Obama is center. Although I think he would be better than Hillary

Ignorance is never a good look.  Being intent on proving it is worse.  

[weltschmerz]

May 24, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 24, 2022 9:31:31 GMT -5 dondub said:

Thanks for revealing what you don’t know.

i'm laughing Obama is center. Although I think he would be better than Hillary

Obama would be considered a conservative in the rest of the developed world.

[dondub]

May 24, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 24, 2022 9:31:31 GMT -5 dondub said:

Thanks for revealing what you don’t know.

i'm laughing Obama is center. Although I think he would be better than Hillary

Thanks for revealing what you don’t know. Again. I appreciate it.😎

[djAdvocate]

May 24, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -5 scgal said:

May 24, 2022 9:31:31 GMT -5 dondub said:

Thanks for revealing what you don’t know.

i'm laughing Obama is center. Although I think he would be better than Hillary

there was no leftwing mainstream candidate in 2012.
Obama came in slightly left of Romney.

[djAdvocate]

US-ians have no idea what left wing means.
to them, left wing means Obama.

America has a bunch of center right parties.
that is where we are.
the GOP has moved even more right since then.



Stein is left wing.  Trump is neo-fascist.  Hillary is center right.  Hillary is RIGHT of Obama.

[Opti]

Sad story related to baby formula issues.


www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/i-m-a-28-year-old-woman-and-have-maple-syrup-urine-disease-the-formula-shortage-could-kill-me/ar-AAXFsVG?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0a4edee2fab24314a631b96be06cf606

The last three months have been some of the most stressful of my life — because from the moment I heard about the Abbott formula recall, I was terrified.



I'm 28 years old. I am not ready to die. But without my specialized metabolic formula, Ketonex-2, I may die. I need my formula to live.



I have a rare genetic disease called maple syrup urine disease, or MSUD. Only about 2,000 people in the US live with this. I cannot metabolize protein, and trying to do it can kill me. My formula is a combination of all the broken-down amino acids, minerals, and vitamins my body needs.

I want the country to know that when I run out of Ketonex-2, hospitalization will be the only way to keep me alive, but it's a short-term solution that probably won't save my life. In the hospital, I'll be given an IV of D10 dextrose to keep my calorie intake up, but that won't give me any protein. For that, I would need my formula — but the hospitals, too, are running out of it.



Within 24 to 48 hours without my formula, my brain will start swelling and deteriorating. I will fall into a coma and likely die.

I don't want to die yet. I don't want my friends with MSUD to die, and I am so worried about them. There are thousands of people who need this formula to live. And Abbott was one of the only companies in the United States making our source of nutrition. We are being treated as an afterthought in the formula shortage.