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Post by dondub on May 14, 2022 22:55:50 GMT -5
Looks like we export baby formula to China. I wonder if any exporting is going on at all during this crisis. Contracts law can be very black and white.
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Post by Opti on May 15, 2022 7:22:44 GMT -5
OT, but China is apparently the second largest exporter of wheat and per one article has stopped all wheat exports.
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Post by Opti on May 15, 2022 8:21:08 GMT -5
Melania hit Fox to speak about the baby formula and was willing to be led by one of the hosts. She also pulled a Trump and trotted out her fave grievance, she was not on the cover of Vogue. Of course, she fails to mention she was unwilling to give interviews to magazines which is the usual requirement for any magazine cover. I guess Fox and her forget the wonderful display of DJT's leadership when he spent at least six months telling us Covid would just magically go to zero any day now. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/melania-trump-nationwide-baby-formula-shortage-heartbreaking-to-see/ar-AAXhBVv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75ebc60c7a4544a2b235f0cb6c729363Former first lady Melania Trump said the nationwide baby formula shortage under the Biden administration is "heartbreaking to see" Saturday on "Fox & Friends Weekend.""It's heartbreaking to see that [families] are struggling, and the food is not available for children in [the] 21st-century in the United States of America," she told co-host Pete Hegseth. Trump attributed the shortage to "leadership." "Leadership," echoed Hegseth. "Or lack thereof?" with which Trump agreed.I wish the WH had moved quicker on baby formula imports, and I hope no babies are dying or starving due to the lack of formula.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2022 11:16:09 GMT -5
OT, but China is apparently the second largest exporter of wheat and per one article has stopped all wheat exports. to where? not here, i don't think.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 15, 2022 11:21:41 GMT -5
Melania hit Fox to speak about the baby formula and was willing to be led by one of the hosts. She also pulled a Trump and trotted out her fave grievance, she was not on the cover of Vogue. Of course, she fails to mention she was unwilling to give interviews to magazines which is the usual requirement for any magazine cover. I guess Fox and her forget the wonderful display of DJT's leadership when he spent at least six months telling us Covid would just magically go to zero any day now. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/melania-trump-nationwide-baby-formula-shortage-heartbreaking-to-see/ar-AAXhBVv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75ebc60c7a4544a2b235f0cb6c729363Former first lady Melania Trump said the nationwide baby formula shortage under the Biden administration is "heartbreaking to see" Saturday on "Fox & Friends Weekend.""It's heartbreaking to see that [families] are struggling, and the food is not available for children in [the] 21st-century in the United States of America," she told co-host Pete Hegseth. Trump attributed the shortage to "leadership." "Leadership," echoed Hegseth. "Or lack thereof?" with which Trump agreed.I wish the WH had moved quicker on baby formula imports, and I hope no babies are dying or starving due to the lack of formula. blaming Biden on this is kinda crazy at a number of levels. but here are some alternatives to baby formula. elsenutrition.com/blogs/news/a-comprehensive-look-at-alternatives-to-baby-formulathe main thing that is needed right now is the advice of dietary pediatricians. i am POSITIVE we can weather this without starvation if this is offered as free counseling to low income persons.
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2022 6:55:22 GMT -5
I heard this morning that there are only four domestic makers of baby formula with one of thecfour shut down because the FDA(?) found contamination within the formula and requring to maker to fix the problem which has not been approved yet start up again. More domestic makers of baby formula needed. we wouldn't need so much fucking formula in the US if we had PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. That is assuming all mothers would stay home and breast feed the babies.
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2022 6:56:31 GMT -5
OT, but China is apparently the second largest exporter of wheat and per one article has stopped all wheat exports. I believe you mean India, which shipped it to Africa who desparately needs the wheat.
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Post by swamp on May 16, 2022 12:05:48 GMT -5
we wouldn't need so much fucking formula in the US if we had PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. That is assuming all mothers would stay home and breast feed the babies. They don't have to stay home forever. But since 6 weeks seems to be the standard maternity leave, that seems a bit quick to wean your baby and return to work. I was lucky I had a job where I could pump. Not everyone has one.
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2022 13:12:20 GMT -5
Wife and I went to WMT today for our second booster shots. Clerk said do you want some home covid tests? They are free for you! We said, "sure, why not?" So he put them on the counter and scanned the boxes and bagged them up. From, guess where?
Abbott
Wondering is this the same company as the formula maker? Maybe they make more money from the government on them than they will from baby formula! $19.79 per box times four boxes........granted retail pricing, but imagine the 100's of millions they are making for selling to the government.
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on May 16, 2022 14:05:12 GMT -5
What makes you think it is the same processing line or even the same plant? Are they diverting manpower or capacity?
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 16, 2022 14:25:47 GMT -5
The isasue had to do with a recall over contamination and the plant shutdown. But that would require reading about why this happened instead of throwing stupid shit out there
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Post by djAdvocate on May 16, 2022 15:27:56 GMT -5
we wouldn't need so much fucking formula in the US if we had PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. That is assuming all mothers would stay home and breast feed the babies. no. it is assuming 40% would.that is about HALF the global average (81.6%): www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/11/11/global-paid-parental-leave-us/do you really think that less than half would breastfeed, VB? really? i am guessing that you have not actually though this through. would you like to reconsider it, based on the facts?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 16, 2022 15:29:43 GMT -5
that article pointed out that Estonia offers EIGHTY weeks of paid maternity leave.
you read that right.
think about that.
edit: that is probably crushing for formula sales in Estonia.
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Post by thyme4change on May 16, 2022 16:13:43 GMT -5
we wouldn't need so much fucking formula in the US if we had PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. That is assuming all mothers would stay home and breast feed the babies. Why is it all or nothing? If 10% of women were able to breastfeed, that would be 10% less formula necessary. Or 20%. Improvement is all we can hope for in a country as large as ours.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 16, 2022 22:03:52 GMT -5
this is what bugs me about America. you can suggest something utterly reasonable and you IMMEDIATELY get the "what if"s.
how about this America: what if you just stfu and TRIED to fix something, for once? what happened to the America that would boldly go forward rather than sit back and criticize those that do? you are lucky you have friendly neighbors, or you would have been overrun by ambitious foreigners long ago.
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Post by Value Buy on May 16, 2022 22:06:46 GMT -5
What makes you think it is the same processing line or even the same plant? Are they diverting manpower or capacity? Jesus f****** C***** I know the damn formula plant is closed down. Abbott just must not be in a hurry to bother getting reopened as there is more money concentrating on the covid kits. For all I know they are made outside the country Abbott did sign a consent decree today but will be weeks before they ship anything. Wonder how many of their staff found other jobs. You piqued my interest. Box does not state where manufactured, so I opened it up. The very fine really small print on the product says something about Thailand, but without a magnifying glass tonight I cannot read whether that is the country of origin.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 17, 2022 7:35:45 GMT -5
The plant isn't open because they haven't cleared inspection. Formula is one of the most regulated items we produce they are struggling to meet the requirements to reopen.
Maybe if America wasn't obsessed with bigger and more we would enforce the monopoly laws on our books.
This is what happens when only three companies control supply. When one goes down, and goes down in the middle of a labor and supply shortage the results aren't pretty.
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Post by thyme4change on May 17, 2022 8:18:31 GMT -5
What makes you think it is the same processing line or even the same plant? Are they diverting manpower or capacity? Jesus f****** C***** I know the damn formula plant is closed down. Abbott just must not be in a hurry to bother getting reopened as there is more money concentrating on the covid kits. For all I know they are made outside the country Abbott did sign a consent decree today but will be weeks before they ship anything. Wonder how many of their staff found other jobs. You piqued my interest. Box does not state where manufactured, so I opened it up. The very fine really small print on the product says something about Thailand, but without a magnifying glass tonight I cannot read whether that is the country of origin. Jesus f***** c*****. As someone who has 25 years in the manufacturing world, I can pretty much guarantee there is nothing the Covid test kit department can do to manufacture baby formula. You have zero clue what you are talking about.
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 17, 2022 9:12:23 GMT -5
We manufacture a fair amount for Abbott. Nothing remotely related to formula though!
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 17, 2022 10:42:59 GMT -5
we wouldn't need so much fucking formula in the US if we had PAID MATERNITY LEAVE. Not saying that Paid maternity leave is not an issue, but for Many, nursing is not an option. When I had my kids there was a big push to get Mothers to Nurse. I tried with my Oldest, it was not working, and after a few weeks I gave up and went to formula. When I had my second, my Mother asked me if I was going to try to nurse again, and I said I thought I might try again. She told me that she felt I had Post Partum Depression when I had my Son, and said she felt my problems nursing contributed to my depression. I am thankful she spoke up because I thought she was correct, so I did not even try to nurse my second child. I am hearing more people say that nursing was not for them either of late. How does an entire plant get shut down due to contamination? They must have more than one line right? Some of this supply chain stuff is hard to believe especially since this is a domestic supply issue from what I understand.Same way it shuts down a lab. You have to decontaminate everything and start from scratch. When it happened at work, EVERYTHING gets tossed because you never know what of the multiple dozen places bacteria could lurk. Do a half assed job, and you are looking at a repeat in a few months. It’s easier to avoid the problem in the first place. Unfortunately, that takes time and money and when corners get cut, this is the result.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 17, 2022 10:49:56 GMT -5
Melania hit Fox to speak about the baby formula and was willing to be led by one of the hosts. She also pulled a Trump and trotted out her fave grievance, she was not on the cover of Vogue. Of course, she fails to mention she was unwilling to give interviews to magazines which is the usual requirement for any magazine cover. I guess Fox and her forget the wonderful display of DJT's leadership when he spent at least six months telling us Covid would just magically go to zero any day now. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/melania-trump-nationwide-baby-formula-shortage-heartbreaking-to-see/ar-AAXhBVv?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=75ebc60c7a4544a2b235f0cb6c729363Former first lady Melania Trump said the nationwide baby formula shortage under the Biden administration is "heartbreaking to see" Saturday on "Fox & Friends Weekend.""It's heartbreaking to see that [families] are struggling, and the food is not available for children in [the] 21st-century in the United States of America," she told co-host Pete Hegseth. Trump attributed the shortage to "leadership." "Leadership," echoed Hegseth. "Or lack thereof?" with which Trump agreed.I wish the WH had moved quicker on baby formula imports, and I hope no babies are dying or starving due to the lack of formula. b laming Biden on this is kinda crazy at a number of levels. but here are some alternatives to baby formula.
elsenutrition.com/blogs/news/a-comprehensive-look-at-alternatives-to-baby-formulathe main thing that is needed right now is the advice of dietary pediatricians. i am POSITIVE we can weather this without starvation if this is offered as free counseling to low income persons. Not really. The alternatives they keep coming back to are breast milk and formula. The other options are not recommended. Back in the dark ages, I have a copy in my mom’s writing of a homemade formula that I was fed back in the 1950s. While it very likely is not 100% of what a baby needs, I have to wonder if they can’t supplement 50% of the feedings with something like this until they can get formula back into the stores.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on May 17, 2022 10:51:59 GMT -5
What makes you think it is the same processing line or even the same plant? Are they diverting manpower or capacity? Jesus f****** C***** I know the damn formula plant is closed down. Abbott just must not be in a hurry to bother getting reopened as there is more money concentrating on the covid kits. For all I know they are made outside the country Abbott did sign a consent decree today but will be weeks before they ship anything. Wonder how many of their staff found other jobs. You piqued my interest. Box does not state where manufactured, so I opened it up. The very fine really small print on the product says something about Thailand, but without a magnifying glass tonight I cannot read whether that is the country of origin. Seriously? You think Covid tests are produced on the same manufacturing like that baby formula is? Do you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds?
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Post by swamp on May 17, 2022 11:10:58 GMT -5
We manufacture a fair amount for Abbott. Nothing remotely related to formula though! so you are part of the conspiracy!!
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Post by minnesotapaintlady on May 17, 2022 11:16:01 GMT -5
We manufacture a fair amount for Abbott. Nothing remotely related to formula though! so you are part of the conspiracy!! I feel so sneaky! I couldn't help but snicker walking past the empty formula shelves at Target last night.
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Post by NastyWoman on May 17, 2022 15:07:52 GMT -5
Not really. The alternatives they keep coming back to are breast milk and formula. The other options are not recommended. Back in the dark ages, I have a copy in my mom’s writing of a homemade formula that I was fed back in the 1950s. While it very likely is not 100% of what a baby needs, I have to wonder if they can’t supplement 50% of the feedings with something like this until they can get formula back into the stores. Back in the slightly less dark ages, think 20w light bulb, when I was pregnant with DS2 I read an article in the SJMN that some babies had died due to the absence of some vital trace elements in the US formula. So I did what any good Dutch mom would do. We called friends of ours who were about to pack for their move to the US and they put sufficient baby formula in their container to feed baby#2 for six months - at that time they were considered ready to have regular milk. No way was I going to risk my baby's health on inferior US formula. The kid not only survived on imported formula, he was and is rarely sick and at 6'4" I don't believe his growth was stunted all that much. I just pulled out his brother's baby book for the recommendations on when to change the amount and to what. DS2turned 40 six weeks ago. All this to say why isn't importation a large part of the solution to this temporary problem
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 17, 2022 15:43:56 GMT -5
We don't want any of that foreign stuff for our babies. Only god old merican food is what our babies need.
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Post by saveinla on May 17, 2022 15:58:52 GMT -5
I heard on the news that J&J is planning to import formula from the UK
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Post by Opti on May 17, 2022 17:13:45 GMT -5
What makes you think it is the same processing line or even the same plant? Are they diverting manpower or capacity? Jesus f****** C***** I know the damn formula plant is closed down. Abbott just must not be in a hurry to bother getting reopened as there is more money concentrating on the covid kits. For all I know they are made outside the country Abbott did sign a consent decree today but will be weeks before they ship anything. Wonder how many of their staff found other jobs. You piqued my interest. Box does not state where manufactured, so I opened it up. The very fine really small print on the product says something about Thailand, but without a magnifying glass tonight I cannot read whether that is the country of origin. Why do you think the reopening of the formula plant has anything to do with profits on any other items? Is this some FOX cable news opinion to get eyeballs? Formula and diabetes test kits get used far more often than Covid tests. www.abbott.com/product-list.html
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Post by djAdvocate on May 17, 2022 18:46:32 GMT -5
Not saying that Paid maternity leave is not an issue, but for Many, nursing is not an option. When I had my kids there was a big push to get Mothers to Nurse. I tried with my Oldest, it was not working, and after a few weeks I gave up and went to formula. When I had my second, my Mother asked me if I was going to try to nurse again, and I said I thought I might try again. She told me that she felt I had Post Partum Depression when I had my Son, and said she felt my problems nursing contributed to my depression. I am thankful she spoke up because I thought she was correct, so I did not even try to nurse my second child. I am hearing more people say that nursing was not for them either of late. How does an entire plant get shut down due to contamination? They must have more than one line right? Some of this supply chain stuff is hard to believe especially since this is a domestic supply issue from what I understand.Same way it shuts down a lab. You have to decontaminate everything and start from scratch. When it happened at work, EVERYTHING gets tossed because you never know what of the multiple dozen places bacteria could lurk. Do a half assed job, and you are looking at a repeat in a few months. It’s easier to avoid the problem in the first place. Unfortunately, that takes time and money and when corners get cut, this is the result. corner cutting under Trump became a thing, because the people he appointed had a clear animus for oversight, safety, and inspections. i think it could well be (but would require some investigation) that one of Trump's appointees was DIRECTLY responsible for this happening.
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Post by pulmonarymd on May 20, 2022 12:19:47 GMT -5
190 republicans voted against a bill to deal with this issue. 9 also voted against a bill to expand access for low income families to get formula. They appear to have no desire to help this situation. The party of life, yeah right!
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