RNC withdraws from Presidential Debate Commission

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Maybe the Presidential Debates can now include candidates other than just Rep and Dem. Americans can finally get a better look at other political party options?

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rnc-unanimously-votes-to-withdraw-from-commission-on-presidential-debates/ar-AAWe3CN?cvid=026e40b5394441e3a239d774fa197806

[djAdvocate]

i doubt that will happen, but it is certainly an intriguing possibility.

[Tiny]

Does that mean there won't be national Presidential Debates? Does this mean the RNC Presidential candidate will not debate the DNC Presidential candidate? (We have a two party system).


I wonder how much of that withdrawl was influenced by  the fly on Pence's head not to mention trump's antics at the podium  highlight what can go wrong - plain old misfortune in Pence's case  and candidates with little to no political experience, in trump's case.   

Not having to have a national debate  certainly would make it easier for any and all parties to have better control over their image/message/mudraking/conspiracy theories/etc... and no one would be the wiser.  

The national debates kind of forced each candidates followers to watch the same thing... 

[Opti]

Apr 15, 2022 16:51:12 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Does that mean there won't be national Presidential Debates? Does this mean the RNC Presidential candidate will not debate the DNC Presidential candidate? (We have a two party system).


I wonder how much of that withdrawl was influenced by  the fly on Pence's head not to mention trump's antics at the podium  highlight what can go wrong - plain old misfortune in Pence's case  and candidates with little to no political experience, in trump's case.   

I'm guessing it is to protect Trump. The fly thing was funny but not earth shattering. 

[Tennesseer]

Apr 15, 2022 16:51:12 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Does that mean there won't be national Presidential Debates? Does this mean the RNC Presidential candidate will not debate the DNC Presidential candidate? (We have a two party system).


I wonder how much of that withdrawl was influenced by  the fly on Pence's head not to mention trump's antics at the podium  highlight what can go wrong - plain old misfortune in Pence's case  and candidates with little to no political experience, in trump's case.   

Not having to have a national debate  certainly would make it easier for any and all parties to have better control over their image/message/mudraking/conspiracy theories/etc... and no one would be the wiser.  

The national debates kind of forced each candidates followers to watch the same thing... 

Donald Trump’s fingerprints are all over the RNC debate decision

The Republican National Committee’s decision Thursday to withdraw from its participation in the organization that has long managed presidential debates has Donald Trump’s fingerprints all over it.

RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel called the Commission on Presidential Debates – which is nonpartisan and has a co-chair who was once the chairman of the RNC –“biased” in a statement and said it had “refused to enact simple and commonsense reforms to help ensure fair debates including hosting debates before voting begins and selecting moderators who have never worked for candidates on the debate stage.”

(If you didn’t know that statement was from McDaniel, I bet I could convince you that it was from Trump. Right?)

This decision has been in process for months now. In January, McDaniel made clear that the RNC wanted more of a hand in choosing the moderators for the three general election debates. “So long as the C.P.D. appears intent on stonewalling the meaningful reforms necessary to restore its credibility with the Republican Party as a fair and nonpartisan actor, the R.N.C. will take every step to ensure that future Republican presidential nominees are given that opportunity elsewhere,” McDaniel wrote in a letter to the commission at the time.

Such a move would be utterly unthinkable prior to Trump’s rise within the party. The CPD has been around since 1987 and, until Trump came on the scene, was generally regarded as a paragon of neutrality in an increasingly polarized political world.

While campaigns have wrangled over the details of the debates, there was previously little question that both major party nominees would participate. Trump changed all of that in 2020 when he refused to be a part of the second general election debate after CPD changed it to a virtual gathering to deal with concerns about the spread of Covid-19.

“The commission changed the debate style and that’s not acceptable to us,” Trump said at the time.

(Worth noting: According to a book by former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, Trump had tested positive for Covid-19 three days before the first general election debate. Trump received a negative test result shortly after, Meadows wrote.)

Trump also skipped a debate in the 2016 Republican primary campaign because – you guessed it! – he didn’t like the moderator, in particular Megyn Kelly, with whom he had clashed. “Let’s see how much money Fox is going to make on the debate without me, OK?” Trump said of his decision to skip the debate. He held a separate event during the debate and went on to lose the Iowa caucuses to Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

Now, much like his fact-free obsession with voter fraud in the 2020 election, Trump has made views over the debate system a litmus test of support for him. Either you say the debates are biased against Trump Republicans, or you can expect the former President to cast you as insignificantly loyal. Which explains why McDaniel has taken this so far.

Make no mistake: This RNC decision likely does not happen without the urging of Trump. And the fact that the RNC is breaking with the CPD is evidence, as if you needed more, that the former President is still VERY MUCH in charge of the Republican Party.


Donald Trump’s fingerprints are all over the RNC debate decision

[justme]

This is when the debate committee says we're going to hold the debate with or without the gop candidate and they can decide whether it's two hours of the dem candidate answering questions or whether to invite more people.

[tallguy]

Who cares if the GOP doesn't show up?  All it will do is save the country from two hours of lies, conspiracies, and other stupid sh**.  I'd call that a win, especially if Trump ends up being the nominee.

Besides, when was the last time we had a Republican who could even handle a debate?  Romney?

[djAdvocate]

Apr 16, 2022 2:31:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Who cares if the GOP doesn't show up?  All it will do is save the country from two hours of lies, conspiracies, and other stupid sh**.  I'd call that a win, especially if Trump ends up being the nominee.

Besides, when was the last time we had a Republican who could even handle a debate?  Romney?

better question: when was the last time that the debates were anything other than carefully scripted campaign events?

the answer is tine 90's.  half of America's voters have never SEEN a real debate.

[djAdvocate]

i think they should have instant fact checking in debates, and that candidates should have to address their lies.

[tbop77]

It is hard to debate when you have no platform.  Can't tell the American public the only thing we plan on doing is tax cuts for the rich and large corporations now can you?  

[tallguy]

Apr 16, 2022 5:08:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 16, 2022 2:31:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Who cares if the GOP doesn't show up?  All it will do is save the country from two hours of lies, conspiracies, and other stupid sh**.  I'd call that a win, especially if Trump ends up being the nominee.

Besides, when was the last time we had a Republican who could even handle a debate?  Romney?

better question: when was the last time that the debates were anything other than carefully scripted campaign events?

the answer is tine 90's.  half of America's voters have never SEEN a real debate.

I have.  Season Seven of The West Wing.  Matt Santos (Jimmy Smits) and Arnold Vinick (Alan Alda).  Forest Sawyer moderated.  If any real-life debate turned out half as well I'd be thrilled. 

[happyhoix]

Trump is horrible in debates. He rambles. He talks in word salad. He has no platform. He usually ends up either boosting about himself or denigrating his opponent.

When attempting to prepare to debate, he doesn’t pay attention or listen to coaches. He doesn’t bother to try to memorize talking points.

He has to know he sucks at debating - and even if he doesn’t admit that, I have to assume he hates all the preparation for debates, and the negative comments about them afterwards. So in typical Trump fashion, he’s dealing with this by simply eliminating it.

I figure once the RNC finally sheds itself of Trump, they’ll come back to the debates.

[djAdvocate]

he's not actually a presidential candidate.

he is part of an anti-government insurgency.

his entire goal is to destroy the US government.

i am convinced of it.

which is why he and Putin are allies.

they share that goal.

[billisonboard]

Apr 17, 2022 12:25:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's not actually a presidential candidate.

he is part of an anti-government insurgency.

his entire goal is to destroy the US government.

i am convinced of it.

which is why he and Putin are allies.

they share that goal.

I disagree. His entire goal is protecting his ego. He would have to care about the US to have the goal to destroy it.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 17, 2022 12:49:58 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Apr 17, 2022 12:25:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's not actually a presidential candidate.

he is part of an anti-government insurgency.

his entire goal is to destroy the US government.

i am convinced of it.

which is why he and Putin are allies.

they share that goal.

I disagree. His entire goal is protecting his ego. He would have to care about the US to have the goal to destroy it.

LOL!  ok.  alright, bills.  i accept that as his only PERSONAL goal.
i should have said his only GOVERNMENTAL goal.
his personal goal is enhanced by dismantling the government.

[dondub]

John Bolton, from a Fiona Hill article in today’s NYT magazine: “Trump is a complete aberration in the American system. We’ve had good and presidents, competent and incompetent presidents. But none of them was centered on their own interest, as opposed to the national interest, except Trump. And his concept of what the national interest was really changed from day to day and had a lot more to do with what his political fortunes were.”

[djAdvocate]

ok, ok.  i get your point (both of you), and retract mine.

you are right.  the fact that he only cares about himself serves the interests of those that want to destroy functioning government.  he doesn't care, either way.  but since getting government out of his way benefits him, they are natural partners in this enterprise.

does that work better?

[billisonboard]

[Value Buy]

Apr 17, 2022 12:25:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's not actually a presidential candidate.

he is part of an anti-government insurgency.

his entire goal is to destroy the US government.

i am convinced of it.

which is why he and Putin are allies.

they share that goal.

And people here say conservatives wear

[hurley1980]

Apr 16, 2022 5:08:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 16, 2022 2:31:46 GMT -5 tallguy said:

Who cares if the GOP doesn't show up?  All it will do is save the country from two hours of lies, conspiracies, and other stupid sh**.  I'd call that a win, especially if Trump ends up being the nominee.

Besides, when was the last time we had a Republican who could even handle a debate?  Romney?

better question: when was the last time that the debates were anything other than carefully scripted campaign events?

the answer is tine 90's.  half of America's voters have never SEEN a real debate.

Then I haven't, and I'm 42.  Though to be honest, I didn't really watch much of the debates since I turned voting age.  I didn't even start getting into politics until Obama. I was around 27 when his campaigning started. Before that, I just didn't have time to care, I was too busy trying to work to pay my bills.  I'm glad todays youth is more active than I was!

[Tennesseer]

Apr 19, 2022 8:39:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 17, 2022 12:25:24 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

he's not actually a presidential candidate.

he is part of an anti-government insurgency.

his entire goal is to destroy the US government.

i am convinced of it.

which is why he and Putin are allies.

they share that goal.

And people here say conservatives wear

You Republicans do.

Polling suggests that concerns over the 2020 election remain strong among Republicans, and it’s not just the South. As Montgomery-based pollster Brent Buchanan said, “Most of our Republican primary polls – no matter where they are in the country from the Northwest to the Deep South – shows less than 20% of Republican primary voters feel the election was fair and that Joe Biden was the rightful winner.”

‘Stolen,’ ‘robbed’ or ‘cheated’: 2020 presidential election top election issue for Alabama Republicans

[djAdvocate]

Apr 20, 2022 12:18:41 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 19, 2022 8:39:59 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And people here say conservatives wear

ad hominem.  you are down to blanks, eh?

for the record, i have a rather deep supporting argument for that position.  but you would rather just dismiss it with this bullshit reply.

telling.