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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 12, 2022 21:43:05 GMT -5
This is funny. Is this how other countries view Biden? I'm surprised this hasn't been censored by our main stream media.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 12, 2022 22:11:42 GMT -5
After Trump’s contentious courtship of the Saudis, $2B for Jared Kushner
In a political career rife with flip-flops, few rank as high as Donald Trump’s 180 on Saudi Arabia. For more than a decade, Trump had held up the kingdom as a prime example of U.S. foreign policy cozying up to nefarious allies of convenience. Almost immediately upon being sworn in, though, Trump shifted in a more Saudi-friendly direction. He held fast to that posture even after Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman was implicated in the gruesome murder of Washington Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi. He proceeded to override Congress’s objections to U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led war in Yemen and pressed forward with arms deals it had rejected. All along, the motivation was apparent — Trump made clear that his overriding motivation was money — but the benefits weren’t. Trump’s solicitousness of the Saudis appeared to help them more than it helped us, and it ran decidedly counter to his “America First” foreign policy. At the tail end of his presidency, a Washington Post headline summarized the situation this way: “Trump threw Saudi Arabia a lifeline after Khashoggi’s death. Two years later, he has gotten little in return.” Trump now appears to have gotten something in return — for his family. The New York Times reported Sunday that Trump’s son-in-law and White House adviser Jared Kushner secured a $2 billion investment for his Affinity Partners private equity firm from a fund led by the Saudi crown prince. This despite the fund’s advisers heavily criticizing the proposed deal. Among the reasons cited by the advisers: Those objections included: “the inexperience of the Affinity Fund management”; the possibility that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk”; due diligence on the fledgling firm’s operations that found them “unsatisfactory in all aspects”; a proposed asset management fee that “seems excessive”; and “public relations risks” from Mr. Kushner’s prior role as a senior adviser to his father-in-law, former President Donald J. Trump, according to minutes of the panel’s meeting last June 30. But days later the full board of the $620 billion Public Investment Fund — led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s de facto ruler and a beneficiary of Mr. Kushner’s support when he worked as a White House adviser — overruled the panel. Especially as the GOP pushes to raise questions about Hunter Biden allegedly profiting off his father’s name and power, it’s not difficult to grasp how sketchy this is. The Times noted that ethics experts said the investment could appear as payback for Kushner’s help in the White House, or as currying favor should Trump be elected president in 2024. The serious reservations raised by the fund’s advisers heighten questions about why the deal would go through. Complete article here: After Trump’s contentious courtship of the Saudis, $2B for Jared Kushner
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 12, 2022 22:16:21 GMT -5
Donald Trump Began to 'Resemble Putin' As President: Ex-Adviser Fiona HillA former top advisor to Donald Trump has described how the former president began to "resemble" Russia's Vladimir Putin during his time in the White House, speaking frequently about how he wanted to remain in power beyond the congressional two-term legal limit. Fiona Hill, the former senior director for European and Russian affairs on the National Security Council, gave a damning indictment of how Trump handled foreign policy issues during his time as president in a lengthy profile for The New York Times. In the article, Hill described how Trump started to mimic his Russian adversary during his four years in power, especially with regards to how he treated Ukraine—a country she said Trump used as a "plaything for his own purposes" after viewing it as a political enemy. "In the course of his presidency, indeed, Trump would come more to resemble Putin in political practice and predilection than he resembled any of his recent American presidential predecessors," Hill said. Hill also accused Trump of "pulling a Putin" with his alleged attempts to stop the certification of the 2020 Election results in favor of Joe Biden on January 6, 2021. She said that while watching the violence unfold on January 6 she was able to "thread" together a chain of events that began with Trump allegedly pressuring President Volodymyr Zelensky to launch an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden's business dealings to Trump's supporters storming the Capitol. "I saw the thread," Hill said. "The thread connecting the Zelensky phone call to January 6. And I remembered how, in 2020, Putin had changed Russia's constitution to allow him to stay in power longer. This was Trump pulling a Putin. Donald Trump Began to 'Resemble Putin' As President: Ex-Adviser Fiona Hill
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Post by billisonboard on Apr 12, 2022 22:20:31 GMT -5
Replying to the Daily Caller's tweet, Khaled al Farraj, the actor who portrayed Biden in the sketch, wrote: "Welcome to the world of Saudi comedy." link Personally, I found it weak. Characterization wasn't detailed at all. Podium looked cheap and needed an emblem. SNL it wasn't.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Apr 12, 2022 22:33:24 GMT -5
Yes, it wasn't SNL quality but still funny.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 12, 2022 22:37:45 GMT -5
Yes, it wasn't SNL quality but still funny. Then you just have found the below hilarious.
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Post by Opti on Apr 13, 2022 2:00:49 GMT -5
Lame, but I guess someone wants to take the heat off the Saudi prince.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 13, 2022 2:45:22 GMT -5
Yes, it wasn't SNL quality but still funny. Here's the difference. If somebody wants to make fun of Biden or make him look bad, they make up fake video. If somebody wants to make fun of Trump or make him look bad, they just play real video of him actually talking.
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Post by tbop77 on Apr 13, 2022 6:24:30 GMT -5
This is how Trump's own party views him: Luntz went on to say that the Republican lawmakers were more than happy to mock Trump in private but would not do so overtly. "They won't say it [in public], but behind his back, they think he's a child. They're laughing at him. That's what made [Sununu's comments] significant," Luntz said to The Daily Beast. "Trump isn't the same man he was a year ago," Luntz added, commenting on Trump's influence on the party. "Even many Republicans are tired of going back and rehashing the 2020 election. Everybody else has moved on, and in Washington, everyone believes he lost the election." www.businessinsider.com/gop-pollster-republicans-laugh-at-trump-in-private-2022-4And his base still thinks he is going to be REINSTALLED as president. I'm sure the whole world is laughing at us.
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Post by Opti on Apr 13, 2022 8:45:29 GMT -5
Yes, it wasn't SNL quality but still funny. Here's the difference. If somebody wants to make fun of Biden or make him look bad, they make up fake video. If somebody wants to make fun of Trump or make him look bad, they just play real video of him actually talking. I think that's part of the issue though. The "parody" is so off to me I can't watch all of it. I think FOX and all Trump supporting news media hid his gaffes from the viewer so they have no idea how often he messed up. While Trump never fell asleep in public, he often was visibly bored and disengaged in events. For all I know Fox and others pump and replay Biden's gaffes over and over so viewers believe that is who he is, instead of a more even show of how he is in public. And Trump did his level best to create a fake persona for Biden for his followers. Visually the clip was awful. They have all these thin tall men in Saud and they picked a short beefy one who doesn't even try to imitate Biden's voice or manner? I only got he was pretending to be Biden by the bad fake Kamala next to him. This was much worse than Alec Baldwin's Trump, which always needed some work.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 15, 2022 10:30:52 GMT -5
Yes, it wasn't SNL quality but still funny. Here's the difference. If somebody wants to make fun of Biden or make him look bad, they make up fake video. If somebody wants to make fun of Trump or make him look bad, they just play real video of him actually talking. You have to start watching something other than leftwing oriented mainstream media. Try Fox news once in a while. They show Biden at the microphone through the entire speech. Leftwing media does not. Quite an eye opener.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 15, 2022 10:33:34 GMT -5
Here's the difference. If somebody wants to make fun of Biden or make him look bad, they make up fake video. If somebody wants to make fun of Trump or make him look bad, they just play real video of him actually talking. I think that's part of the issue though. The "parody" is so off to me I can't watch all of it. I think FOX and all Trump supporting news media hid his gaffes from the viewer so they have no idea how often he messed up. While Trump never fell asleep in public, he often was visibly bored and disengaged in events. For all I know Fox and others pump and replay Biden's gaffes over and over so viewers believe that is who he is, instead of a more even show of how he is in public. And Trump did his level best to create a fake persona for Biden for his followers. Visually the clip was awful. They have all these thin tall men in Saud and they picked a short beefy one who doesn't even try to imitate Biden's voice or manner? I only got he was pretending to be Biden by the bad fake Kamala next to him. This was much worse than Alec Baldwin's Trump, which always needed some work. Your last sentence. I cannot remember you or anyone else here claiming Baldwin's character needed work at the time he portrayed Trump. I guess after he shoots and kills someone it is now ok to critique his work.
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Post by Value Buy on Apr 15, 2022 10:36:07 GMT -5
I always thought parodies were meant to "push the envelope" on the person they are portraying. Evidently we hold rightwing parodies to the equivalent of a standrard applied to a "Sixty Minutes" report here
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Post by Opti on Apr 15, 2022 10:46:39 GMT -5
I think that's part of the issue though. The "parody" is so off to me I can't watch all of it. I think FOX and all Trump supporting news media hid his gaffes from the viewer so they have no idea how often he messed up. While Trump never fell asleep in public, he often was visibly bored and disengaged in events. For all I know Fox and others pump and replay Biden's gaffes over and over so viewers believe that is who he is, instead of a more even show of how he is in public. And Trump did his level best to create a fake persona for Biden for his followers. Visually the clip was awful. They have all these thin tall men in Saud and they picked a short beefy one who doesn't even try to imitate Biden's voice or manner? I only got he was pretending to be Biden by the bad fake Kamala next to him. This was much worse than Alec Baldwin's Trump, which always needed some work. Your last sentence. I cannot remember you or anyone else here claiming Baldwin's character needed work at the time he portrayed Trump. I guess after he shoots and kills someone it is now ok to critique his work. Maybe you missed it in the past, IDK, but this is not a new opinion for me.
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Post by Opti on Apr 15, 2022 11:14:54 GMT -5
I always thought parodies were meant to "push the envelope" on the person they are portraying. Evidently we hold rightwing parodies to the equivalent of a standrard applied to a "Sixty Minutes" report here What envelope pushing happened in this clip? Pretending Biden needed lots of prompting was done in the US early 2021. Using an actor that doesn't look like him or act like him? Done too, but usually only effective if people like the bit. Chevy Chase used to riff off Gerald Ford's clumsiness, but after awhile to me the bits were funny but had almost nothing to do with Ford at all. They were just skits created to showcase Chevy Chase falling. I found Melissa McCartney's sketches on Spicer hilarious, but was aware it was a fantasy Spicer she was portraying, she wasn't trying to be him. YMMV. Most Biden impressionists are bad. I actually prefer when the late night comics use their voice or like Colbert, just uses the aviator glasses to do a bit. Similar with Trump impressionists. Best to just stick to the voice and manner. To me it has the production value of a bad HS skit in a talent show. In reality Biden pauses frequently due to past stuttering issues. Some people choose to take that as a sign about his thinking abilities while ignoring Trump would say the wrong thing and just go into word salad or a how great am I Trump story.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 15, 2022 11:28:33 GMT -5
Here's the difference. If somebody wants to make fun of Biden or make him look bad, they make up fake video. If somebody wants to make fun of Trump or make him look bad, they just play real video of him actually talking. You have to start watching something other than leftwing oriented mainstream media. Try Fox news once in a while. They show Biden at the microphone through the entire speech. Leftwing media does not. Quite an eye opener.
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Post by tallguy on Apr 15, 2022 11:43:59 GMT -5
Here's the difference. If somebody wants to make fun of Biden or make him look bad, they make up fake video. If somebody wants to make fun of Trump or make him look bad, they just play real video of him actually talking. You have to start watching something other than leftwing oriented mainstream media. Try Fox news once in a while.They show Biden at the microphone through the entire speech. Leftwing media does not. Quite an eye opener. Thank you, no. I value my brain cells too much to subject them to that. Nor do I watch leftwing sources either.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 16, 2022 4:33:34 GMT -5
Your last sentence. I cannot remember you or anyone else here claiming Baldwin's character needed work at the time he portrayed Trump. I guess after he shoots and kills someone it is now ok to critique his work. Maybe you missed it in the past, IDK, but this is not a new opinion for me. me neither. and since when did the absence of critique equal support? i spend most of my time ignoring Ted Cruz for example. i doubt you could find 10 posts where i have criticized him. in fact, in at least half the cases, i was asking Paul why he stopped supporting his candidacy for president. it sure as hell doesn't mean i support him.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 16, 2022 4:36:47 GMT -5
Here's the difference. If somebody wants to make fun of Biden or make him look bad, they make up fake video. If somebody wants to make fun of Trump or make him look bad, they just play real video of him actually talking. I think that's part of the issue though. The "parody" is so off to me I can't watch all of it. that is it, for me. i don't find the parody very convincing. Biden doesn't strike me as drowsy or lacking in acumen for detail. sure, he makes mistakes, but he doesn't need anyone there to correct him. he corrects himself. Trump, on the other hand was never wrong, and would double down on his errors. it is a distinct and welcome difference. it would be nice if the Trump lovers would acknowledge it, but i guess that is expecting too much.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 16, 2022 4:39:13 GMT -5
You have to start watching something other than leftwing oriented mainstream media. Try Fox news once in a while. They show Biden at the microphone through the entire speech. Leftwing media does not. Quite an eye opener. um, no. there is no mainstream cable news outlet that broadcasts the "entire speech". for that you have to go to C-Span. ever watch C-Span, VB? that is the truth, if you want it. guessing you don't want it. FUCK FOX. FUCK MSN. FUCK CABLE NEWS. (micdrop)
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 16, 2022 4:40:49 GMT -5
You have to start watching something other than leftwing oriented mainstream media. Try Fox news once in a while.They show Biden at the microphone through the entire speech. Leftwing media does not. Quite an eye opener. Thank you, no. I value my brain cells too much to subject them to that. Nor do I watch leftwing sources either. this is rather like suggesting that someone hit themselves over the head with a blunt object, or maybe try using heroin. it is not only a waste of time, it is a waste of life.
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Post by Tennesseer on Apr 19, 2022 8:43:42 GMT -5
If ol' Rip found the video in the opening post LOL funny, he should find this video LOL hilarious.
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Post by djAdvocate on Apr 19, 2022 9:12:13 GMT -5
i remember a similar critique being made of Reagan. in his case, he would get reality and fiction confused, so there was SOME merit to it.
i don't see any of that in Biden. but maybe someone who is obsessing over his every word can comment.
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Post by Opti on Apr 19, 2022 11:07:44 GMT -5
If ol' Rip found the video in the opening post LOL funny, he should find this video LOL hilarious. I found the story itself weird enough. Is Tucker Carlson trying to be the Dr. Oz of Fox?
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