Rising inflation and food and other shortages causation

[weltschmerz]

Apr 8, 2022 10:13:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Apr 8, 2022 10:03:45 GMT -5 The Walk of the Penguin Mich said:

If 50% of the people in ANYONE’S neighborhood had electric cars, the power grid cannot handle this kind of upsurge.  There needs to be a hell of a lot more investment in infrastructure before electric cars become the norm.  That’s not happening.  

And while it is great that the newest one can go 350 miles before charging that still means at 350 miles I need to be near a charging station.  There are not nearly enough charging stations in the country to make switching to electric worth it.  I'd still need a hybrid or gas powered vehicle for anything that would involve travel more than 350 miles.

Elon Musk cannot single handedly create an electric car friendly world.  There is going to need to be investment on the government level for that and more than just a personal tax break for me switching.  You're going to need to give incentive to current gas station owners and new ones to build charging stations and convince them they will make money off it.

We have FIVE, FIVE total charging stations in my city.  That is not nearly enough for everyone to go electric.  And they are for Teslas.  I have no idea if they are model specific but I am going to hazard a guess that at the moment a new Hundai isn't going to be able to be charged at a Tesla unit.  We're pretty far away from universal charging stations.

That's not happening and it likely won't because the oil and gas lobby own our politicians and have convinced us we need to "think about the job loss!".  Guess what oil and gas are finite so those jobs are going to disappear anyhow.  New jobs can be created in the electric world if we'd get out of our own way.  Trump gutted the programs in coal country for training people in renewable energy.  How is that helping?  Even the coal industry is starting to get on Manchin's ass about his refusal to sign the Green Deal.

FIVE? How big is your city?

[billisonboard]

Apr 8, 2022 11:05:24 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

I don't think anyone said fuck it.

I don't count as anyone?

I just said it because I am giving up on the conversation.

[weltschmerz]

Apr 8, 2022 8:10:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

Apr 7, 2022 14:44:21 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Absolutely!! American businesses ONLY plan out, what 30 days? ok, maybe 90 days. Why would they have 1,2,3, 4, 5 year plans? Or bother thinking about how their business needs to grow and change over a 5,10,20 year period.

My employer is so silly - they spent 10 years in total from start to finish on a project to replace their "business" software -- that effects ALL of their employees around the world. I'm sure they could have accomplished this over a weekend - from deciding what software/applications were the best replacement to buying it to get it installed. I'm sure training 5000 people on how to use it would take what? an hour on a Monday morning.     <-- sarcasm there big heaping mountains of it.... 

If you believe big companies (and small companies and business)  in America aren't looking at projections for their business going out into the future (which would include the 1 million a year new immigrants) and making decisions today that will effect their business 2 or 5 or 10 years from now (to MEET the requirements/goals they have set for 10 years out) ... I'm kind of speechless.... you live in some weird place that I have trouble imagining exists.  

Isn't that what Capitalism is all about    Looking to the future and meeting demand 

VB is retired, and this is how he believes it works. I am not retired, I do not know how it works, but it seems to me he cannot be correct. There are many diaper manufacturers, and most are not direct suppliers. Therefore, they are are managing demand requests from stores and middlemen. When there is an increase in demand, they don't know for certain how much of that demand is going to be theirs until it is. 

Immigration has been happening for years, legal and illegal. Really we should believe no one in consumer products has made allowances for that? The pandemic affected the workforce which affected how much product could be created, transported, and sold. Hence supply chain disruptions. Simple. Unless of course you are looking for new things to pin on illegal immigrants. 

Tha's exactly what he's doing.
Let's just ignore the fact that the US throws away more consumer goods and edible food than any other country in the world.

[Value Buy]

Apr 8, 2022 8:10:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

Apr 7, 2022 14:44:21 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Absolutely!! American businesses ONLY plan out, what 30 days? ok, maybe 90 days. Why would they have 1,2,3, 4, 5 year plans? Or bother thinking about how their business needs to grow and change over a 5,10,20 year period.

My employer is so silly - they spent 10 years in total from start to finish on a project to replace their "business" software -- that effects ALL of their employees around the world. I'm sure they could have accomplished this over a weekend - from deciding what software/applications were the best replacement to buying it to get it installed. I'm sure training 5000 people on how to use it would take what? an hour on a Monday morning.     <-- sarcasm there big heaping mountains of it.... 

If you believe big companies (and small companies and business)  in America aren't looking at projections for their business going out into the future (which would include the 1 million a year new immigrants) and making decisions today that will effect their business 2 or 5 or 10 years from now (to MEET the requirements/goals they have set for 10 years out) ... I'm kind of speechless.... you live in some weird place that I have trouble imagining exists.  

Isn't that what Capitalism is all about    Looking to the future and meeting demand 

VB is retired, and this is how he believes it works. I am not retired, I do not know how it works, but it seems to me he cannot be correct. There are many diaper manufacturers, and most are not direct suppliers. Therefore, they are are managing demand requests from stores and middlemen. When there is an increase in demand, they don't know for certain how much of that demand is going to be theirs until it is. 

Immigration has been happening for years, legal and illegal. Really we should believe no one in consumer products has made allowances for that? The pandemic affected the workforce which affected how much product could be created, transported, and sold. Hence supply chain disruptions. Simple. Unless of course you are looking for new things to pin on illegal immigrants. 

Question, when did you last work?

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Apr 8, 2022 11:18:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 8, 2022 10:13:05 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

And while it is great that the newest one can go 350 miles before charging that still means at 350 miles I need to be near a charging station.  There are not nearly enough charging stations in the country to make switching to electric worth it.  I'd still need a hybrid or gas powered vehicle for anything that would involve travel more than 350 miles.

Elon Musk cannot single handedly create an electric car friendly world.  There is going to need to be investment on the government level for that and more than just a personal tax break for me switching.  You're going to need to give incentive to current gas station owners and new ones to build charging stations and convince them they will make money off it.

We have FIVE, FIVE total charging stations in my city.  That is not nearly enough for everyone to go electric.  And they are for Teslas.  I have no idea if they are model specific but I am going to hazard a guess that at the moment a new Hundai isn't going to be able to be charged at a Tesla unit.  We're pretty far away from universal charging stations.

That's not happening and it likely won't because the oil and gas lobby own our politicians and have convinced us we need to "think about the job loss!".  Guess what oil and gas are finite so those jobs are going to disappear anyhow.  New jobs can be created in the electric world if we'd get out of our own way.  Trump gutted the programs in coal country for training people in renewable energy.  How is that helping?  Even the coal industry is starting to get on Manchin's ass about his refusal to sign the Green Deal.

FIVE? How big is your city?

It's one of the bigger ones in Iowa but we're Iowa.  So yeah. . .

And I think the only reason we even have those is a Tesla dealership popped up.   They look cool but I wouldn't pay the price they want for one at the moment.  

[teen persuasion]

Apr 8, 2022 9:19:05 GMT -5 Opti said:

Apr 8, 2022 9:01:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Diapers use a lot of plastic and petroleum in production.  There is a shortage of both right now.

Wild idea but MAYBE instead of constantly chanting 'MERICA! we should have started looking a lot sooner into moving away from a largely petroleum based economy.  I am aware that is happening in a lot of businesses right now but it's going to be slow.  The pandemic sped things up and ripped the curtain off.  We haven't really evolved past the Industrial Revolution.

And it's only going to keep getting worse. We need a second industrial revolution and instead we've been focused on trying to drag the country back into 1950.  That is 100% on our leaders who are in lobbyists pockets and the people who vote for them in hopes of having the "good old days" return.

I think you should have put the word some in there. I'm not going to ignore the tax breaks for electric and hybrid vehicles which are evidence some are planning for the future.

Have you looked at how the tax breaks for electric and hybrid vehicles work?  Or for that matter, any of the solar/wind/etc tax breaks? I have, because I'd like to switch to an electric car, and geothermal heating (instead of oil), and add solar/wind electric generation to compensate. All of the tax credits are nonrefundable. So I get little to no benefit to offset the costs, simply because we are lower income. But someone with higher income COULD get a bigger break on the costs of breaking our oil energy dependency.

What's wrong with this picture?

[Opti]

Apr 8, 2022 13:11:23 GMT -5 teen persuasion said:

Apr 8, 2022 9:19:05 GMT -5 Opti said:

I think you should have put the word some in there. I'm not going to ignore the tax breaks for electric and hybrid vehicles which are evidence some are planning for the future.

Have you looked at how the tax breaks for electric and hybrid vehicles work?  Or for that matter, any of the solar/wind/etc tax breaks? I have, because I'd like to switch to an electric car, and geothermal heating (instead of oil), and add solar/wind electric generation to compensate. All of the tax credits are nonrefundable. So I get little to no benefit to offset the costs, simply because we are lower income. But someone with higher income COULD get a bigger break on the costs of breaking our oil energy dependency.

What's wrong with this picture?

I live in an apartment so no I have not looked into solar, etc. Not surprised that they are slanted towards higher income earners. 

[Opti]

Apr 8, 2022 12:44:44 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Apr 8, 2022 8:10:16 GMT -5 Opti said:

VB is retired, and this is how he believes it works. I am not retired, I do not know how it works, but it seems to me he cannot be correct. There are many diaper manufacturers, and most are not direct suppliers. Therefore, they are are managing demand requests from stores and middlemen. When there is an increase in demand, they don't know for certain how much of that demand is going to be theirs until it is. 

Immigration has been happening for years, legal and illegal. Really we should believe no one in consumer products has made allowances for that? The pandemic affected the workforce which affected how much product could be created, transported, and sold. Hence supply chain disruptions. Simple. Unless of course you are looking for new things to pin on illegal immigrants. 

Question, when did you last work?

Yes I should not have put in the retirement stuff I agree. But holy mother of frogs, is it that hard to forget the recent lessons of the pandemic? Sanitizer was used by some folks pre-pandemic, but became a high use product as the pandemic started. Businesses including alcohol manufacturers decided to make hand sanitizer because there was a need, a big one. They weren't stymied by the fact there were no projections in the past that the need and the market would be as large as it became. They did what they chose to do and the supply increased.

Part of being a business is adjusting to increased demand when it occurs, if you can. 

[weltschmerz]

Apr 8, 2022 12:59:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Apr 8, 2022 11:18:08 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

FIVE? How big is your city?

It's one of the bigger ones in Iowa but we're Iowa.  So yeah. . .

And I think the only reason we even have those is a Tesla dealership popped up.   They look cool but I wouldn't pay the price they want for one at the moment.  

We have about 2,000 charging stations on this island, but it makes sense here. We use kinetic energy to produce electricity.
Using fossil fuels to generate electricity for electric cars makes very little sense to me.  
Am I missing something?

[Spellbound454]

I think the rise in inflation is a global thing.

Ours is soaring because of high oil prices, the War in Ukraine and the money that was shelled out to support business during the pandemic.

Prices are more because transport and manufacturing cost are up.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 8, 2022 18:47:33 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

I think the rise in inflation is a global thing.

Ours is soaring because of high oil prices, the War in Ukraine and the money that was shelled out to support business during the pandemic.

Prices are more because transport and manufacturing cost are up.

explain the bolded comment.

[happyhoix]

Apr 8, 2022 9:01:55 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Apr 7, 2022 14:57:16 GMT -5 bean29 said:

I am pretty sure the birth rate is lower than expected due to the pandemic, and I think the formula shortages were due to some kind of contamination of the milk.  I really doubt people are hoarding diapers because kids grow at different rates, and you would not know how many of what size you were going to need.

I am sure we can improve immigration, but there does not seem to be a will on the part of both parties to resolve anything.  I really think we are not doing enough for the people from the Ukraine either.  5 million people are displaced and we have taken something like 33,000?

Diapers use a lot of plastic and petroleum in production.  There is a shortage of both right now.

Wild idea but MAYBE instead of constantly chanting 'MERICA! we should have started looking a lot sooner into moving away from a largely petroleum based economy.  I am aware that is happening in a lot of businesses right now but it's going to be slow.  The pandemic sped things up and ripped the curtain off.  We haven't really evolved past the Industrial Revolution.

And it's only going to keep getting worse. We need a second industrial revolution and instead we've been focused on trying to drag the country back into 1950.  That is 100% on our leaders who are in lobbyists pockets and the people who vote for them in hopes of having the "good old days" return.

I work for a company making consumer healthcare products and there are shortages of EVERYTHING right now. We’ve had to reformulate some of our products because we just can’t get all the ingredients we need right now. We had a quarterly review recently and we’re not making all the product people want to buy from us - we’re filling only about 80% of our orders right now - due to shortages in raw ingredients and labor shortages - both due to covid. 

It will take a while for the economy to get fully back on track and up to speed so that we can get all the ingredients and components we need to make all the products we need to make to fill our orders. It’s not useful to try to blame that on any one particular party, but some do like to try. 

[Value Buy]

www.cnbc.com/2022/04/08/heres-how-the-fed-raising-interest-rates-can-help-get-inflation-lower-and-why-it-could-fail.html

[Value Buy]

Apr 8, 2022 17:10:51 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 8, 2022 12:59:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

It's one of the bigger ones in Iowa but we're Iowa.  So yeah. . .

And I think the only reason we even have those is a Tesla dealership popped up.   They look cool but I wouldn't pay the price they want for one at the moment.  

We have about 2,000 charging stations on this island, but it makes sense here. We use kinetic energy to produce electricity.
Using fossil fuels to generate electricity for electric cars makes very little sense to me.  
Am I missing something?

No.
The save the Earth crowd and Generation X says go electric without regard to developing the correct production grid first.
Democrats agree, others say,  just building more electric utilities useing green house gases is what has to stop.

[Opti]

Apr 8, 2022 17:10:51 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

Apr 8, 2022 12:59:16 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

It's one of the bigger ones in Iowa but we're Iowa.  So yeah. . .

And I think the only reason we even have those is a Tesla dealership popped up.   They look cool but I wouldn't pay the price they want for one at the moment.  

We have about 2,000 charging stations on this island, but it makes sense here. We use kinetic energy to produce electricity.
Using fossil fuels to generate electricity for electric cars makes very little sense to me.  
Am I missing something?

Solar farms are increasing although I do not know how quickly. Out here a fair amount of big company campuses have lots of solar panels near roads and even locally many of our street lights now have solar panels on the pole.


www.nature.org/en-us/what-we-do/our-priorities/tackle-climate-change/climate-change-stories/nevada-west-virginia-solar-energy-former-mines/

West Virginia’s long coal mining history has created what many consider the ideal preconditions for solar development—several hundred square miles of previously cleared mine lands waiting for redevelopment. Many of these sites have existing road infrastructure, existing power lines, and are relatively close to major markets hungry for energy.



West Virginia leaders, businesses, and communities are beginning to move on this opportunity. During the recent session of the West Virginia Legislature, lawmakers were considering four solar-friendly bills looking to capture some of the 240,000 jobs and the billions of dollars of annual investment in the United States’ growing solar energy sector. One bill, which will crack the door to solar development in the state and includes a provision to site solar on former surface mines, passed and is already headed to the governor for signature.

Like sites in in West Virginia, these Nevada mine sites also have existing road and power line infrastructure, making them attractive for solar development.



In fact, according to an analysis by the Rocky Mountain Institute, there are more than 1 million acres of potential minefields and brown­field sites in Nevada. If developed with solar power, TNC estimates their solar energy generation potential in Nevada to be 20,219 megawatts—enough to power 3.8 million homes.

[Spellbound454]

Apr 8, 2022 19:51:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Apr 8, 2022 18:47:33 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

I think the rise in inflation is a global thing.

Ours is soaring because of high oil prices, the War in Ukraine and the money that was shelled out to support business during the pandemic.

Prices are more because transport and manufacturing cost are up.

explain the bolded comment.

I dont know what you did in the US tbh

but here in the UK, businesses that were closed because of lock downs, were able to take grants for their utilities and put their staff on furlough (75% of their wage to stay at home) and it happened en masse.

It was so they could start up again upon reopening

but...... it cost a lot of money.. and we are going to be paying for it for some time.

[plugginaway22]

Yes, the US gave out PPP loans (grants) basically to everyone who asked.

[djAdvocate]

Apr 12, 2022 4:07:13 GMT -5 Spellbound454 said:

Apr 8, 2022 19:51:15 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

explain the bolded comment.

I dont know what you did in the US tbh

but here in the UK, businesses that were closed because of lock downs, were able to take grants for their utilities and put their staff on furlough (75% of their wage to stay at home) and it happened en masse.

It was so they could start up again upon reopening

but...... it cost a lot of money.. and we are going to be paying for it for some time.

right, and how is that inflationary?

edit: i am not NECESSARILY disagreeing with you.  i just am not sure i understand what you are saying.  

[Value Buy]

Well, the Fed released their Beige book today.

It was not pretty.
They do not mention having reached peek inflation-they have dropped that comment from earlier this month. 
They said manufacturers are still able to pass on their cost increases of raw matierals, labor increases, energy and utility costs. This means higher inflation is still to come for awhile.

www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/beigebook202204.htm

[Value Buy]

We can officially say inflation has not peaked yet. If it has, the Fed would not be doing this right out of the gate in May.

www.cnbc.com/2022/04/21/powell-says-taming-inflation-absolutely-essential-and-50-basis-point-hike-on-the-table-for-may.html


Two or three 50 basis rate increases in a row and the economy will be toast.
It is the emotional response to the shock in a short time frame that will emotionally cripple business climate, and not the actual rate increase.
Perception is reality.

[dondub]

Apr 21, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We can officially say inflation has not peaked yet. If it has, the Fed would not be doing this right out of the gate in May.

www.cnbc.com/2022/04/21/powell-says-taming-inflation-absolutely-essential-and-50-basis-point-hike-on-the-table-for-may.html


Two or three 50 basis rate increases in a row and the economy will be toast.
It is the emotional response to the shock in a short time frame that will emotionally cripple business climate, and not the actual rate increase.
Perception is reality.

Do you believe there was an awesome economy under Reagan? How many Fed rate hikes were there? Are you having Chicken Little for dinner?

[djAdvocate]

Apr 21, 2022 15:36:17 GMT -5 dondub said:

Apr 21, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

We can officially say inflation has not peaked yet. If it has, the Fed would not be doing this right out of the gate in May.

www.cnbc.com/2022/04/21/powell-says-taming-inflation-absolutely-essential-and-50-basis-point-hike-on-the-table-for-may.html


Two or three 50 basis rate increases in a row and the economy will be toast.
It is the emotional response to the shock in a short time frame that will emotionally cripple business climate, and not the actual rate increase.
Perception is reality.

Do you believe there was an awesome economy under Reagan? How many Fed rate hikes were there? Are you having Chicken Little for dinner?

Reagan had no trouble winning re-election.  it was the most lopsided one in the last half century.

[Tiny]

Looks like Texas's governor is trying to help the GOP win the next election by making food and other shortages worse and helping inflation to rise!

www.eater.com/2022/4/18/23030392/greg-abbott-truck-inspection-border-blockade-cost-240-million-in-spoiled-goods

www.axios.com/texas-border-delays-abbott-inspection-costs-ba048e06-6b98-44d8-820c-979a716400dd.html

www.npr.org/2022/04/20/1093729789/texas-border-bridge-order-cost-billions

[Opti]

From Tiny's NPR link-

The inspections by the state's Department of Public Safety resulted in "zero apprehensions" but vastly increased wait times at the border, Texas Public Radio reports.

[Value Buy]

Rising natural gas and electricity invoices.........more than ten percent increases.......

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-americans-at-risk-of-gas-and-electric-shutoffs-as-prices-rise-and-us-moratoriums-end/ar-AAWxooc?li=BBnb7Kz

[Value Buy]

Apr 24, 2022 9:07:22 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Rising natural gas and electricity invoices.........more than ten percent increases.......

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/more-americans-at-risk-of-gas-and-electric-shutoffs-as-prices-rise-and-us-moratoriums-end/ar-AAWxooc?li=BBnb7Kz

This is happening in the metropolitan areas.
Article states heating oil and propane are up 70%
I believe this affects the more rural areas, where natural gas utilities are not available for residents and farmers, etc.

[djAdvocate]

bring that shit through California.  we will gladly facilitate transport for the same fee as Texas.

[Value Buy]

Here is another point on rising prices.

www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/labor-issues-idle-trains-leave-us-grain-and-food-stranded-shippers/ar-AAWI5sc?li=BBnb7Kz