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Post by Bob Ross on Mar 10, 2022 13:19:29 GMT -5
A little thought experiment for you. Generally speaking, the MAGA seem to think that the worst possible situation our country can be in is...Now. And the best situation would be if Donald Trump and his cronies were back in power. To them, Now is terrible. Biden is the worst POTUS ever. The Dems are evil. CRT and mask mandates are destroying the country, we are weak and global laughingstock, inflation, gas prices, browns and LGBTQ, etc. But if Trump were POTUS, the country would be strong, none of the above would be problems, and never mind the descent into authoritarian fascism because that would be GREAT! (actually most don't seem to know what fascism is, and think the current admin are the fascists). For the non-MAGA, Now is okay...could be better in a lot of ways, but at least there's some sense of normalcy (for now) and the adults seem to be back in charge. However, the worst situation would be if Trump and his cronies came back into power. So if for the MAGA, the worst is Now, and for the non-Maga, the worst is Trump & authoritarian fascism...then it must be pretty great to be MAGA! (Too bad I can't bring myself to drink the kool-aid. )
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Post by kadee79 on Mar 10, 2022 13:21:38 GMT -5
^^^So what is your point?
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Post by dondub on Mar 10, 2022 13:32:04 GMT -5
A little thought experiment for you. Generally speaking, the MAGA seem to think that the worst possible situation our country can be in is...Now. And the best situation would be if Donald Trump and his cronies were back in power. To them, Now is terrible. Biden is the worst POTUS ever. The Dems are evil. CRT and mask mandates are destroying the country, we are weak and global laughingstock, inflation, gas prices, browns and LGBTQ, etc. But if Trump were POTUS, the country would be strong, none of the above would be problems, and never mind the descent into authoritarian fascism because that would be GREAT! (actually most don't seem to know what fascism is, and think the current admin are the fascists). For the non-MAGA, Now is okay...could be better in a lot of ways, but at least there's some sense of normalcy (for now) and the adults seem to be back in charge. However, the worst situation would be if Trump and his cronies came back into power. So if for the MAGA, the worst is Now, and for the non-Maga, the worst is Trump & authoritarian fascism...then it must be pretty great to be MAGA! (Too bad I can't bring myself to drink the kool-aid. ) You’ve obviously been drinking something!🥃🥃🥃
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Post by Bob Ross on Mar 10, 2022 13:40:17 GMT -5
A little thought experiment for you. Generally speaking, the MAGA seem to think that the worst possible situation our country can be in is...Now. And the best situation would be if Donald Trump and his cronies were back in power. To them, Now is terrible. Biden is the worst POTUS ever. The Dems are evil. CRT and mask mandates are destroying the country, we are weak and global laughingstock, inflation, gas prices, browns and LGBTQ, etc. But if Trump were POTUS, the country would be strong, none of the above would be problems, and never mind the descent into authoritarian fascism because that would be GREAT! (actually most don't seem to know what fascism is, and think the current admin are the fascists). For the non-MAGA, Now is okay...could be better in a lot of ways, but at least there's some sense of normalcy (for now) and the adults seem to be back in charge. However, the worst situation would be if Trump and his cronies came back into power. So if for the MAGA, the worst is Now, and for the non-Maga, the worst is Trump & authoritarian fascism...then it must be pretty great to be MAGA! (Too bad I can't bring myself to drink the kool-aid. ) You’ve obviously been drinking something!🥃🥃🥃 The snozzberries taste like snozzberry!
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Post by Opti on Mar 10, 2022 13:52:58 GMT -5
Stay away from the MAGAs Bob. Take a month vacation or something.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 10, 2022 14:15:19 GMT -5
i am not following the logic. is there supposed to be any?
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Post by Tiny on Mar 10, 2022 14:25:52 GMT -5
Are you saying the MAGA have it pretty good right now and don't know it As in if trump was in office the only thing for them that would change would be "trump is in office! we win!!!"? To be honest - I have a hard time trying to step into the frame of mind of a trump supporter. Making "small stuff" super important and/or life threatening seems kind of "overly dramatic - drama queen" to me... OK, that's based on a relative and a couple of "friends".... (the super angry we must KILL illegal immigrants rant kind of terrified me - my response was "Are you afraid they will take food out of your mouth? take your kids high level white collar jobs? murder you in the street? Are you afraid your SS and Medicare benefits will vanish?? why are you so angry ? And then the relative just got angry at me...)
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Post by steff on Mar 10, 2022 14:49:15 GMT -5
A little thought experiment for you. Generally speaking, the MAGA seem to think that the worst possible situation our country can be in is...Now. And the best situation would be if Donald Trump and his cronies were back in power. To them, Now is terrible. Biden is the worst POTUS ever. The Dems are evil. CRT and mask mandates are destroying the country, we are weak and global laughingstock, inflation, gas prices, browns and LGBTQ, etc. But if Trump were POTUS, the country would be strong, none of the above would be problems, and never mind the descent into authoritarian fascism because that would be GREAT! (actually most don't seem to know what fascism is, and think the current admin are the fascists). For the non-MAGA, Now is okay...could be better in a lot of ways, but at least there's some sense of normalcy (for now) and the adults seem to be back in charge. However, the worst situation would be if Trump and his cronies came back into power. So if for the MAGA, the worst is Now, and for the non-Maga, the worst is Trump & authoritarian fascism...then it must be pretty great to be MAGA! (Too bad I can't bring myself to drink the kool-aid. ) Please tie a rope to your waist so we can drag you back to safety when it gets too weird in MAGAland. Just pray to his Holy Noodleness, the Spaghetti Monster you don't end up like the guy who tied the rope around his waist in The Mist. that wouldn't be good.
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Post by Bob Ross on Mar 10, 2022 15:42:27 GMT -5
i am not following the logic. is there supposed to be any? I'm saying MAGA thinks we are currently living in an abyssal hellscape, but can ascend to utopia if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. The rest of us know that things are pretty good now, but we are at risk of plunging into an ACTUAL abyssal hellscape if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. If our "pretty good" equates to their abyssal hellscape, then their entire worldview spectrum is skewed that much more to the positive. They think we've hit rock bottom. We know there's a lot further we can fall. Reality doesn't matter. It's a matter of perspective. Delusion is bliss!
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Mar 10, 2022 15:48:48 GMT -5
i am not following the logic. is there supposed to be any? I'm saying MAGA thinks we are currently living in an abyssal hellscape, but can ascend to utopia if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. The rest of us know that things are pretty good now, but we are at risk of plunging into an ACTUAL abyssal hellscape if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. If our "pretty good" equates to their abyssal hellscape, then their entire worldview spectrum is skewed that much more to the positive. They think we've hit rock bottom. We know there's a lot further we can fall. Reality doesn't matter. It's a matter of perspective. Delusion is bliss! assuming from posts above you live in a magat infested area? my advice is move. I cant be bother to wonder about the idiocy anymore. I never wanted to know that soooo many people could be sooooo incredibly dumb.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Mar 10, 2022 16:06:24 GMT -5
I think it has to be sad to be a MAGAhead despite outward appearances. Their whole life view is based on fear. Fear of people finding out that the only reason they are as far as they have gotten is because a mediocre white man is still considered better and more competent than anyone else. If they had to compete on actual equal footing they might lose.
So they will vote for a dumb ass wannabe real estate mogul who doesn't give two actual craps about them if it means the slightest possibility they will still have people to lord their superiority over. Even if it means cutting their noses off to spite their face.
I can't contemplate being so terrified of "losing" that you are willing to destroy the entire country in order to prevent it.
Imagine if those people actually woke up to the manipulation going on by Republicans. How much we could change if those voters realized there was never any intent to let them have a seat at the table, they're being fed crumbs to keep them quiet.
I read that was one of the tactics used during Reconstruction because the Southern Upper class realized they would be royally fucked if the poor white people banded together with the freed African Americans. So they worked double time to remind them hey it might suck to be poor but we'll make sure you're still better than the black guy over there! Vote for us!
The mental gymnastics needed to keep voting for the people who pretty much have blatantly stated they care about nothing other than consolidating their own power has to be exhausting to keep up with.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 10, 2022 16:35:41 GMT -5
i am not following the logic. is there supposed to be any? I'm saying MAGA thinks we are currently living in an abyssal hellscape, but can ascend to utopia if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. The rest of us know that things are pretty good now, but we are at risk of plunging into an ACTUAL abyssal hellscape if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. If our "pretty good" equates to their abyssal hellscape, then their entire worldview spectrum is skewed that much more to the positive. They think we've hit rock bottom. We know there's a lot further we can fall. Reality doesn't matter. It's a matter of perspective. Delusion is bliss! i am with you if you think that THEY think things can't get worse. but i am not sure they think that. then again, there is not enough meds in my cabinet to help me "get there".
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Post by Bob Ross on Mar 10, 2022 17:12:50 GMT -5
I'm saying MAGA thinks we are currently living in an abyssal hellscape, but can ascend to utopia if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. The rest of us know that things are pretty good now, but we are at risk of plunging into an ACTUAL abyssal hellscape if Dear Leader and the GQP come to power in '24. If our "pretty good" equates to their abyssal hellscape, then their entire worldview spectrum is skewed that much more to the positive. They think we've hit rock bottom. We know there's a lot further we can fall. Reality doesn't matter. It's a matter of perspective. Delusion is bliss! i am with you if you think that THEY think things can't get worse. but i am not sure they think that. then again, there is not enough meds in my cabinet to help me "get there". True, but the things they think will make things worse in reality won't. "OMG...people still are wearing masks!" "What if someone actually learns CRT?" "Green energy! The HORROR!" "LGBTQ folks get equal rights now!?!" And so on. Where we're all like "What if Trump becomes POTUS again?"
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 10, 2022 18:36:51 GMT -5
It was always "LGBTQ folks get more rights than me now!?!"
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Post by Opti on Mar 11, 2022 14:14:05 GMT -5
It was always "LGBTQ folks get more rights than me now!?!"
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Post by Opti on Mar 11, 2022 14:16:35 GMT -5
i am with you if you think that THEY think things can't get worse. but i am not sure they think that. then again, there is not enough meds in my cabinet to help me "get there". True, but the things they think will make things worse in reality won't. "OMG...people still are wearing masks!" "What if someone actually learns CRT?" "Green energy! The HORROR!" "LGBTQ folks get equal rights now!?!" And so on. Where we're all like "What if Trump becomes POTUS again?" Watching what Putin is doing to Ukraine probably gives Trump ideas.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 14, 2022 13:12:56 GMT -5
I am sort of surprised that many posters do not agree with the op. He did not paint MAGA as anything nice. He painted the democrats as being basically ok right now unless their worse nightmare reappears. Trump - the end of the world. Putin bad, but heck it is happening half a world away. China ditto. North Korea, well Trump is not here to irritate the little dictator so that is good too. Inflation. Darn right it is all Putin's fault. Or maybe Trump's fault. I thought Bob Ross's thesis was basically correct, maybe only slightly tongue in cheek, but it seems it is only majority rule on this board or get the heck out of here.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 14, 2022 13:14:27 GMT -5
True, but the things they think will make things worse in reality won't. "OMG...people still are wearing masks!" "What if someone actually learns CRT?" "Green energy! The HORROR!" "LGBTQ folks get equal rights now!?!" And so on. Where we're all like "What if Trump becomes POTUS again?" Watching what Putin is doing to Ukraine probably gives Trump ideas. And if Trump was still in office Putin would not have invaded. After all Biden said he would have to wait to see how serious the invasion would be before he would react to it.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Mar 14, 2022 13:29:20 GMT -5
Nice fantasy there. So what should we have done about the Russian invasive? Threaten military action if he invaded? No fly zone? What, outside of economic sanctions should have been our response?
IMO, our options were limited. I do not believe we should get involved militarily. I am not sure the NATO countries would have backed that. Given the threat of nuclear/chemical/biologic warfare, is this the line in the sand for us?
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Post by seriousthistime on Mar 14, 2022 13:37:31 GMT -5
Watching what Putin is doing to Ukraine probably gives Trump ideas. And if Trump was still in office Putin would not have invaded. After all Biden said he would have to wait to see how serious the invasion would be before he would react to it. Really? Trump, the same guy who said Putin's move was "genius"? Trump wanted to walk away from NATO. Without NATO, Putin would have gone into Ukraine sooner, and kept going in his desire to reconstitute the USSR. But Trump lost the election, and Putin didn't want to wait four more years for us to abandon NATO.
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Post by Opti on Mar 14, 2022 14:22:14 GMT -5
Watching what Putin is doing to Ukraine probably gives Trump ideas. And if Trump was still in office Putin would not have invaded. After all Biden said he would have to wait to see how serious the invasion would be before he would react to it. Most of the pundits agree that Trump was doing Putin's work for him. By dissing NATO and making it weaker, Putin felt no need to act. That is not a plus.
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Post by Tiny on Mar 14, 2022 15:08:33 GMT -5
Watching what Putin is doing to Ukraine probably gives Trump ideas. And if Trump was still in office Putin would not have invaded. What would trump have done to keep Putin from invading the Ukraine? I'm guessing nothing or little. Perhaps something like how he replace the ACA? or how he has brought back US coal?
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Post by Lizard Queen on Mar 14, 2022 15:24:12 GMT -5
And if Trump was still in office Putin would not have invaded. What would trump have done to keep Putin from invading the Ukraine? I'm guessing nothing or little. Perhaps something like how he replace the ACA? or how he has brought back US coal? Trump would have paved the way for Putin. Clearly, he's been Putin's lapdog for a while.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 14, 2022 21:44:46 GMT -5
And if Trump was still in office Putin would not have invaded. After all Biden said he would have to wait to see how serious the invasion would be before he would react to it. Most of the pundits agree that Trump was doing Putin's work for him. By dissing NATO and making it weaker, Putin felt no need to act. That is not a plus. most of the pundits.......they are mostly Democratic Party oriented and did the dirty work for the party. Trump made NATO stronger by demanding countries pay their share of the cost rather than leaving it to the USA. It was the wake up call Europe needed.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 14, 2022 21:52:25 GMT -5
And if Trump was still in office Putin would not have invaded. What would trump have done to keep Putin from invading the Ukraine? I'm guessing nothing or little. Perhaps something like how he replace the ACA? or how he has brought back US coal? What has the actual President of the USA done to keep Putin from invading? He has a history of being on the wrong side of amost every major international decision the US has made. And he certainly did nothing to stop Putin. How many people have to be killed? How many people have to lose everything and flee to neighboring countries? Today the press Secretary stated the WH is thinking of making a trip to Europe in a couple of weeks to meet with allies. Kind of late to do that....... I guess after Putin kills ten thousand more civilians and conquers Ukraine, it wil be ok to go to Europe and puff his chest out and say how bad Putin is. He denied there was inflation
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2022 21:56:52 GMT -5
What would trump have done to keep Putin from invading the Ukraine? I'm guessing nothing or little. Perhaps something like how he replace the ACA? or how he has brought back US coal? What has the actual President of the USA done to keep Putin from invading? He has a history of being on the wrong side of amost every major international decision the US has made. And he certainly did nothing to stop Putin. How many people have to be killed? How many people have to lose everything and flee to neighboring countries? Today the press Secretary stated the WH is thinking of making a trip to Europe in a couple of weeks to meet with allies. Kind of late to do that....... I guess after Putin kills ten thousand more civilians and conquers Ukraine, it wil be ok to go to Europe and puff his chest out and say how bad Putin is. He denied there was inflation
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 14, 2022 22:27:26 GMT -5
What has the actual President of the USA done to keep Putin from invading?He has a history of being on the wrong side of amost every major international decision the US has made. And he certainly did nothing to stop Putin. How many people have to be killed? How many people have to lose everything and flee to neighboring countries? Today the press Secretary stated the WH is thinking of making a trip to Europe in a couple of weeks to meet with allies. Kind of late to do that....... I guess after Putin kills ten thousand more civilians and conquers Ukraine, it wil be ok to go to Europe and puff his chest out and say how bad Putin is. He denied there was inflation i don't want my president acting as a global cop. if you do, fine. but be prepared for what that brings.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 14, 2022 22:36:51 GMT -5
What would trump have done to keep Putin from invading the Ukraine? I'm guessing nothing or little. Perhaps something like how he replace the ACA? or how he has brought back US coal? What has the actual President of the USA done to keep Putin from invading? He has a history of being on the wrong side of amost every major international decision the US has made. And he certainly did nothing to stop Putin. How many people have to be killed? How many people have to lose everything and flee to neighboring countries? Today the press Secretary stated the WH is thinking of making a trip to Europe in a couple of weeks to meet with allies. Kind of late to do that....... I guess after Putin kills ten thousand more civilians and conquers Ukraine, it wil be ok to go to Europe and puff his chest out and say how bad Putin is. He denied there was inflation Interesting list. I am curious what he could have done. Put American boots on the ground might have stopped it. Is that something you would have supported? Something else? What would an earlier personal trip have accomplished?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 14, 2022 22:47:50 GMT -5
What has the actual President of the USA done to keep Putin from invading? He has a history of being on the wrong side of amost every major international decision the US has made. And he certainly did nothing to stop Putin. How many people have to be killed? How many people have to lose everything and flee to neighboring countries? Today the press Secretary stated the WH is thinking of making a trip to Europe in a couple of weeks to meet with allies. Kind of late to do that....... I guess after Putin kills ten thousand more civilians and conquers Ukraine, it wil be ok to go to Europe and puff his chest out and say how bad Putin is. He denied there was inflation Interesting list. I am curious what he could have done. Put American boots on the ground might have stopped it. Is that something you would have supported? Something else? What would an earlier personal trip have accomplished? he could have done what Trump did. undermine the interests of the US and Ukraine. Putin loved that.
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Post by dondub on Mar 14, 2022 23:05:24 GMT -5
Biden had done exactly what he should be doing. Economic sanctions, not blackmailing Ukraine over all the weapons support, and rallying the world community against Putin. In other words, leadership and statesmanship.
With all the support Trump and Tucker and other Repo-Cons have offered up, VB should be ashamed to be a Trump toadie and should be praising Biden’s efforts.
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