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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 8, 2022 20:14:32 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you are following the trucker's protest happening in Ottawa these days. There are almost 500 trucks parked in downtown Ottawa, the protestor's have set up camps and supporters are bringing them jerry cans of gas. They've been there about a week now. The police went in today and got them to breakdown their main camp and have been confiscating there gas and food. There were some swastikas and Confederate flags waved around the first (there is debate about how many) but they seem to have disappeared and maany protestors have denounced them. What strikes me is how calm it all is. It is so stereotypically Canadian. Like I have people on my FB saying "who wants to visit the protest with me this weekend? We can carpool" The contrast to your Jan 6 is wild.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Feb 8, 2022 20:18:46 GMT -5
I heard about it on National Public Radio the other day. That report did say that the protesters have taken over a park as their command center.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 8, 2022 20:22:51 GMT -5
If you want to see live videos of it #ottaw, #freedom convoy
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Post by dondub on Feb 8, 2022 20:50:45 GMT -5
If you want to see live videos of it #ottaw, #freedom convoy What’s their beef? Pay structures?
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 8, 2022 20:56:02 GMT -5
If you want to see live videos of it #ottaw, #freedom convoy What’s their beef? Pay structures? Vaccine mandates. Truckers that aren't vaccinated have to quarantine for 14 days coming back from the U.S. And you need to show proof of vaccination to go to movies or gyms or be employed with a lot of companies so those people jumped on board. They are also anti maskers but they've decided to tone that down. ETA - They don't have to quarantine if they stay within Canada.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 8, 2022 20:59:57 GMT -5
Something else that is interesting, they raised over $10 million on GoFundMe. GoFundMe refused to distribute the money to them and is returning it to donors. I hope they don't figure out that they could get the money emailed to them directly.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 8, 2022 21:08:09 GMT -5
What’s their beef? Pay structures? Vaccine mandates. Truckers that aren't vaccinated have to quarantine for 14 days coming back from the U.S. And you need to show proof of vaccination to go to movies or gyms or be employed with a lot of companies so those people jumped on board. They are also anti maskers but they've decided to tone that down. ETA - They don't have to quarantine if they stay within Canada. And Value Buy is blaming all the U.S. Covid deaths on President Biden since he took office. But the very vast majority of the dead are those who refused to get the vaccine. Would Valuebuy be okay if all those who refused to be vaccinated were rounded up and held down and vaccinated against their will? Common sense would tell you to get vaccinated. But even our trump-loaded conservative supreme court of the United States said no vaccine mandate allowed even for companies with over 100 employees let alone less than 100 employees. And valuebuy did vote for trump in 2016 and 2020. Former presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama appeared in a TV ad encouraging everyone to get vaccinated. Donald trump was no where to be found. Valuebuy? What say you.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 8, 2022 21:15:49 GMT -5
My biggest problem with the antivaxxers is that they are clogging up our hospitals and it is really difficult to get healthcare for anything else. My father is waiting for eye surgery and ISO is waiting for hip surgery. Dad is pretty much blind in one eye and ISO is in serious pain because his hip is bone on bone. If anti vaxxers would extend their refusal of health care to include treatment for Covid I could care less if they got vaccinated
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Post by dondub on Feb 8, 2022 23:11:16 GMT -5
Vaccine mandates. Truckers that aren't vaccinated have to quarantine for 14 days coming back from the U.S. And you need to show proof of vaccination to go to movies or gyms or be employed with a lot of companies so those people jumped on board. They are also anti maskers but they've decided to tone that down. ETA - They don't have to quarantine if they stay within Canada. And Value Buy is blaming all the U.S. Covid deaths on President Biden since he took office. But the very vast majority of the dead are those who refused to get the vaccine. Would Valuebuy be okay if all those who refused to be vaccinated were rounded up and held down and vaccinated against their will? Common sense would tell you to get vaccinated. But even our trump-loaded conservative supreme court of the United States said no vaccine mandate allowed even for companies with over 100 employees let alone less than 100 employees. And valuebuy did vote for trump in 2016 and 2020. Former presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama appeared in a TV ad encouraging everyone to get vaccinated. Donald trump was no where to be found. Valuebuy? What say you. What? And admit abject stupidity on this issue? We can just sit back and keep getting the free chuckles.
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Post by Opti on Feb 8, 2022 23:50:56 GMT -5
Something else that is interesting, they raised over $10 million on GoFundMe. GoFundMe refused to distribute the money to them and is returning it to donors. I hope they don't figure out that they could get the money emailed to them directly. I did not read the article, but a headline said Elon Musk decided to fund them via crypto.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 9, 2022 0:05:47 GMT -5
Something else that is interesting, they raised over $10 million on GoFundMe. GoFundMe refused to distribute the money to them and is returning it to donors. I hope they don't figure out that they could get the money emailed to them directly. I did not read the article, but a headline said Elon Musk decided to fund them via crypto. I'd love to see that article.
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Post by daisylu on Feb 9, 2022 8:16:09 GMT -5
I did not find anything on Musk, but did find this misleading headline: Elon Musk–backed ‘freedom truckers’ in Canada get Bitcoin lifeline“HonkHonkHodl” is a group of four—Greg Booth, Jeff Foss, and two men who go by online pseudonyms “Nobody Cariboo” and “BTC Sessions,” according to Canadian publication The Star—who created a crypto crowdfunding campaign on the platform Tallycoin as an alternative funding portal for the “Freedom Convoy.”
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 9, 2022 11:39:09 GMT -5
Something else that is interesting, they raised over $10 million on GoFundMe. GoFundMe refused to distribute the money to them and is returning it to donors. I hope they don't figure out that they could get the money emailed to them directly. DS4 told me GoFundMe shut them down because something violated their TOS, possibly illegal/violent acts during the protest, possibly something about it being across the border (not in US). I've seen a thread on MMM about the protests. It sounds like the biggest headaches are for residents in that area: constant horn honking, trucks blocking roadways and driveways, protesters harrassing locals on the street (especially hospital workers).
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 9, 2022 15:11:21 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you are following the trucker's protest happening in Ottawa these days. There are almost 500 trucks parked in downtown Ottawa, the protestor's have set up camps and supporters are bringing them jerry cans of gas. They've been there about a week now. The police went in today and got them to breakdown their main camp and have been confiscating there gas and food. There were some swastikas and Confederate flags waved around the first (there is debate about how many) but they seem to have disappeared and maany protestors have denounced them. What strikes me is how calm it all is. It is so stereotypically Canadian. Like I have people on my FB saying "who wants to visit the protest with me this weekend? We can carpool" The contrast to your Jan 6 is wild. Your headline is misleading. No one was attacked. Show me one pitchfork. Show me one pistol, rifle, etc, being displayed or pointed in any direction let alone fired. Please report to us how many swastikas were seen. Do you admit Canada is full of Nazi's? Please report how many Confederate flags were shown. Do you have Confederate sympathizers in Canada? Now show me how many Canadian flags are flown and displayed by participants and ad people out, joining the protest. Now tell me how many loyal Canadians who agree with the truckers, are in the pictures supporting the truckers? Now if you want to say Canadians have never seen such a loud protest and they are blocking traffic, ok go for it....... Now show videos of Trudeau calling them racists and terrorists. He canot use these terms unless he pays American democrats a fee for the use of these words as we know the democrats own this language
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 9, 2022 16:01:02 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you are following the trucker's protest happening in Ottawa these days. There are almost 500 trucks parked in downtown Ottawa, the protestor's have set up camps and supporters are bringing them jerry cans of gas. They've been there about a week now. The police went in today and got them to breakdown their main camp and have been confiscating there gas and food. There were some swastikas and Confederate flags waved around the first (there is debate about how many) but they seem to have disappeared and maany protestors have denounced them. What strikes me is how calm it all is. It is so stereotypically Canadian. Like I have people on my FB saying "who wants to visit the protest with me this weekend? We can carpool" The contrast to your Jan 6 is wild. Your headline is misleading. No one was attacked. Show me one pitchfork. Show me one pistol, rifle, etc, being displayed or pointed in any direction let alone fired. Please report to us how many swastikas were seen. Do you admit Canada is full of Nazi's? Please report how many Confederate flags were shown. Do you have Confederate sympathizers in Canada? Now show me how many Canadian flags are flown and displayed by participants and ad people out, joining the protest. Now tell me how many loyal Canadians who agree with the truckers, are in the pictures supporting the truckers? Now if you want to say Canadians have never seen such a loud protest and they are blocking traffic, ok go for it....... Now show videos of Trudeau calling them racists and terrorists. He canot use these terms unless he pays American democrats a fee for the use of these words as we know the democrats own this language 😅😅😅😅 Way to COMPLETELY miss my point. I specifically said there is debate about the swastikas and Confederate flags. I also said it was really quiet and said how Canadian it is. As an American I can see how you won't consider it an attack. In Canada even the Protesters say they have invaded Ottawa, the only debate is whether that is a good or bad thing.
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Post by mollyc on Feb 9, 2022 16:26:05 GMT -5
The heading is not incorrect. The issue is that you are judging things based on your country’s standards.
I can’t link anything on my phone and I only have 10 minutes left on my break but I’ll give a brief rundown. It might be enough for others with time to find the info and links if they care.
First, this protest is illegal. All protests in Ottawa are required to get a permit. The organizers of this event did not do so. Amongst the requirements of said permit are arranging adequate hygiene stations, first aid and liability insurance. These were not done.
Both residents in the area and individuals who have taken part in protests at the Capital have expressed their concern that, unlike other unpermitted protests, this wasn’t stopped / cleared out immediately. The police did not enforce any vehicle or noise bylaws despite complaints from residents until forced to do so. They have permitted open drinking, open fires, drunk driving, storage of flammable items and 24 hour honking. When some of their fuel was confiscated, it was by outside police called in (Kingston, I believe).
It took a class action lawsuit to get an injunction to stop the honking which only runs for 10 days.
Citizens have been collecting video and pictures of infractions and forwarding them to the police, the city, the provincial govt, the federal govt and go fund me. Also insurance companies and vehicle owners. There was enough information that a Federal committee forwarded the information and a letter to GoFundMe. The information was reviewed by GoFundMe and they suspended then cancelled the account under their no funding illegal acts rule.
They had taken their honking show into residential areas and past schools.
They have done their best to intimidate the locals. Because the residents know the invaders are trying to invoke a violent response for martyrdom, they have been largely restrained.
Look for the video of the lone counterprotester with the “We will not be held hostage in our city” sign. And not the invader approved one that shows the invaders mostly keeping their distance. Get the one from his body cam and his spotter up the road, that shows him being swarmed and hit by their flags and signs. Not hard but still hit.
The invaders are doing the equivalent of “I’m not touching you. I’m not touching you”.
I am so impressed with the citizens. Of course, they know the cops are happy to arrest the citizens but still what awesome people
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 9, 2022 21:27:20 GMT -5
Evidently Canada is not as much of a free country as I thought. More of a Kingdom, or Dictatorship.......
Glad I live here where protests do not need a permit.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 9, 2022 21:46:12 GMT -5
Evidently Canada is not as much of a free country as I thought. More of a Kingdom, or Dictatorship....... Glad I live here where protests do not need a permit. Metropolitan Police Department
Each year hundreds of special events are held in the District of Columbia. Residents and organizations planning a special event are required to obtain permits to hold special events in DC. The following forms and links are provided here to simplify the application process. After completing a form, please mail it to the address included on the document. Parade Permit Application [PDF] Assembly Plan Notification/Application for Approval of Assembly Plan [PDF] Temporary Street Closing Permits for Neighborhood Block Parties Special Events Mayor's Guide to Planning a Special Event in Washington DC [PDF] Planning Special Events The Government of the District of Columbia provides essential municipal services in support of special events to ensure events occurring on public space in the District of Columbia are conducted in a manner that protects public health and safety. Coordinating the city’s public safety planning efforts for events requiring interagency coordination is the responsibility of the Mayor’s Special Events Task Group (MSETG). Information on the MSETG can be found on the District of Columbia Homeland Security and Emergency Management Agency (HSEMA)'s website on its Special Events page. Permits and Licenses Following the Special Events Task Group meeting, agencies that issue permits and licenses for different aspects of a special event are your next priority. Read a brief overview of the agencies and their jurisdictional responsibilities. linkTrump Fans File Permit Application for January 6 RallyWomen for America First has filed a permit to hold a demonstration in DC on January 6, the day Congress is expected to confirm that Donald Trump lost the 2020 election. It’s the same group that filed paperwork for the Trump rallies in DC in November and December. The application was originally for January 22 and 23, says National Park Service spokesperson Mike Litterst. Those dates–setup on Friday and a demonstration on Saturday–would have likely cast the rallies as an answer to Joe Biden’s inauguration on January 20. Now the group, which continues to encourage President Trump not to concede, has amended its application, Litterst says, which means its event will coincide with Trump’s calls for demonstrations on January 6. link
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 9, 2022 21:52:18 GMT -5
Evidently Canada is not as much of a free country as I thought. More of a Kingdom, or Dictatorship....... Glad I live here where protests do not need a permit. Still waiting for your response to reply #6.
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 9, 2022 22:38:33 GMT -5
Evidently Canada is not as much of a free country as I thought. More of a Kingdom, or Dictatorship....... Glad I live here where protests do not need a permit. I find it so funny that our governments issue permits for protests.
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Post by mollyc on Feb 10, 2022 1:46:09 GMT -5
Thanks, Tennesseer. I was sure your cities had the same rules. It's unfortunate that so many people seem to either think that protests are spontaneous things that are a success or failure without any preplanning or organizing or that riots/group vandalism and protests are the same thing. Neither is true. And non-permitted protests can happen as long as they aren't a hindrance or a danger to the public or breaking any laws. So the old guy in town can walk in front of the OBGYN's offices and the hospital with his abortion is murder sign as long as he doesn't block the flow of traffic or harass anyone. Fifty people joining him are going to have a hard time not being a hindrance or intimidating so likely to be moved along quickly. The people in the Lower Mainland that interrupted the trucker convoy this past weekend likely didn't have permits any more then the supporters on the sidewalk. But in both cases, as long as they were peaceful and didn't impend traffic, they were allowed on the side of the roads. It wasn't illegal for the counter-protestors to use pedestrian controlled lights over and over again to slow and break up the convoy as long as they actually crossed the road in the allotted time. Those that stopped in crosswalks or laid down on the roads were impediments to traffic and so were removed. Anyone can protest anywhere they want any time they want. They just should not be surprised if there are legal consequences. I can go and ring my neighbour's doorbell over and over again in the middle of the night. I have the freedom to do that. I do not, however, have the legal right. If they aren't home or sleep through the noise, I probably will face no consequences. But if I disrupt their peace, there will certainly be some sort of consequence. And as an added note, at least in the current case in Ottawa, the City could find itself held liable for damages. It is in the fiscal interests of the City and its taxpayers to minimize that by setting standards and enforcing laws.
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Post by Opti on Feb 10, 2022 1:53:08 GMT -5
Evidently Canada is not as much of a free country as I thought. More of a Kingdom, or Dictatorship....... Glad I live here where protests do not need a permit.And yet, weren't you one of those that wanted protests in Seattle and other places shutdown even though you did not live there?
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Post by Value Buy on Feb 10, 2022 10:16:44 GMT -5
Evidently Canada is not as much of a free country as I thought. More of a Kingdom, or Dictatorship....... Glad I live here where protests do not need a permit.And yet, weren't you one of those that wanted protests in Seattle and other places shutdown even though you did not live there? When the Canadian citizens protesting mandates riot and start looting the stores and burn down city blocks get back to me.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Feb 10, 2022 10:54:54 GMT -5
Any comments on the “legitimate political discourse” that took place on 1/6/21. You have been quite verbal about BLM and antifa, but you do not seem to be as keen about including them in your concerns about riots and property destruction. We even have conservative posters and an entire political party trying to whitewash that event
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 10, 2022 12:37:03 GMT -5
Any comments on the “legitimate political discourse” that took place on 1/6/21. You have been quite verbal about BLM and antifa, but you do not seem to be as keen about including them in your concerns about riots and property destruction. We even have conservative posters and an entire political party trying to whitewash that event I'll repeat this for valuebuy because it is him: "That is your leader. That is to whom you give your money. That is who you follow and laud. That is whose banner you willingly carry. Why? Because he is a mirror, not a lighthouse. You see yourselves in him. He is what you would be, if you had inherited money and could shed the last vestiges of conscience and shame. No, I do not “respect your choices,” nor do I admire your loyalty and dedication to this miserific, demoniac vision. You have demonstrated not only a lack of civic virtue, loyalty to the Republic and to the rule of law, but a willingness to engage in violence and sedition at his slightest expressed wish. And you will never, ever admit you were wrong. Because you see your dark, twisted, resentful dreams in him. And to renounce him is to renounce yourselves.”"
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Post by djAdvocate on Feb 11, 2022 15:30:48 GMT -5
My biggest problem with the antivaxxers is that they are clogging up our hospitals and it is really difficult to get healthcare for anything else. My father is waiting for eye surgery and ISO is waiting for hip surgery. Dad is pretty much blind in one eye and ISO is in serious pain because his hip is bone on bone. If anti vaxxers would extend their refusal of health care to include treatment for Covid I could care less if they got vaccinated they are clogging up hospitals DESPITE the fact that this version of the virus is much less mortal than Delta. perhaps we should turn them away and let them suffer the consequences. the'll probably live. and if they don't? gee. that's too bad.
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Post by teen persuasion on Feb 15, 2022 22:19:02 GMT -5
This Twitter thread is hilarious! The truckers got their secret emergency meeting on an open internet chat infiltrated by Ram Rancher Resistors.
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Post by Opti on Feb 15, 2022 23:01:29 GMT -5
And yet, weren't you one of those that wanted protests in Seattle and other places shutdown even though you did not live there? When the Canadian citizens protesting mandates riot and start looting the stores and burn down city blocks get back to me. Why? I live in the US.
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Post by Tennesseer on Feb 16, 2022 0:05:37 GMT -5
And yet, weren't you one of those that wanted protests in Seattle and other places shutdown even though you did not live there? When the Canadian citizens protesting mandates riot and start looting the stores and burn down city blocks get back to me. Not a riot over mandates but Canadians rioting, burning and looting over losing a hockey championship. White people rioting, burning and looting too! 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riot2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riot
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Post by laterbloomer on Feb 19, 2022 12:35:02 GMT -5
I'm proud of how this is being handled.
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