The Cult of Trump

[djAdvocate]

you know what the BEST thing he could do for a power grab would be?  he could start a new political party.

if he REALLY believed in his America First Coalition, he would do that.  he SHOULD do that.  it would settle the argument.  nobody can argue with people changing voter affiliation and joining his party.  nobody.  there is nothing the GOP could do about it.  there is nothing that anybody could do about it.  he is in complete control of that move.  and then, he would have to answer to NOBODY other than his cult.

he might even win a few congressional seats.  the anti-Masonists won 25 seats in 1835.  the Americans won 51 in 1857.  the Populists won 22 in 1897.  Progressives won 8 in 1937.  i am SURE that the America First Party could win somewhere in the range of a dozen seats.  he should have done it THIS TIME.

[tbop77]

Nov 14, 2022 16:16:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 14, 2022 16:12:27 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

You know, with Trump, I'm afraid to ask what can he do next!  

before this week, i was too.

but i am asking.  any ideas?

Raskin suggested that pro-Trump representatives in the House could ignore House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s bid for the post and instead nominate Trump for the job.

www.fox13memphis.com/news/trending/could-donald-trump-be-speaker-house-how-is-house-leader-chosen/ZJV4WHRTFBHOVECM67TZBHMCNI/

[djAdvocate]

Nov 14, 2022 16:27:09 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Nov 14, 2022 16:16:00 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

before this week, i was too.

but i am asking.  any ideas?

Raskin suggested that pro-Trump representatives in the House could ignore House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s bid for the post and instead nominate Trump for the job.

www.fox13memphis.com/news/trending/could-donald-trump-be-speaker-house-how-is-house-leader-chosen/ZJV4WHRTFBHOVECM67TZBHMCNI/

there you go!  that kind of thing.

anyone else?

[tbop77]

Nov 14, 2022 16:29:48 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 14, 2022 16:27:09 GMT -5 tbop77 said:

Raskin suggested that pro-Trump representatives in the House could ignore House Minority Leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy’s bid for the post and instead nominate Trump for the job.

www.fox13memphis.com/news/trending/could-donald-trump-be-speaker-house-how-is-house-leader-chosen/ZJV4WHRTFBHOVECM67TZBHMCNI/

there you go!  that kind of thing.

anyone else?

and,,,not a very ex-presidential move, but again, Trump.  He could insert himself into all the mix.  Keep chaos going!  Be a part of all the investigations they have planned. 

[djAdvocate]

yeah, and since he is third in line for the throne, he might be able to get himself some prosecution immunity.  

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 14, 2022 16:23:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you know what the BEST thing he could do for a power grab would be?  he could start a new political party.

if he REALLY believed in his America First Coalition, he would do that.  he SHOULD do that.  it would settle the argument.  nobody can argue with people changing voter affiliation and joining his party.  nobody.  there is nothing the GOP could do about it.  there is nothing that anybody could do about it.  he is in complete control of that move.  and then, he would have to answer to NOBODY other than his cult.

he might even win a few congressional seats.  the anti-Masonists won 25 seats in 1835.  the Americans won 51 in 1857.  the Populists won 22 in 1897.  Progressives won 8 in 1937.  i am SURE that the America First Party could win somewhere in the range of a dozen seats.  he should have done it THIS TIME.

That requires too much wrong. Trump is fundamentally lazy. He will have some big ideas and have his underlings do the dirty work. But this? He would have to put up money of his own and get into the nitty gritty of forming a party. I am as likely to grow a second head as it is for Trump to do this. He could commandeer another minor party. I could see him doing that. But then he has to deal with other people's ideas again. And he wouldn't get enough adulation.

[djAdvocate]

pmd- if he thinks he is so fucking great, and he thinks OTHERS think he is so fucking great, the best way to get that love is to form his own party.

if you are saying that would NOT get him enough love, then he must not believe that.

is that what you are saying?

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 14, 2022 16:52:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

pmd- if he thinks he is so fucking great, and he thinks OTHERS think he is so fucking great, the best way to get that love is to form his own party.

if you are saying that would NOT get him enough love, then he must not believe that.

is that what you are saying?

I am saying that Trump has never done hard work. He has skated through life on bullshit. He wants the adulation. He just doesn’t want to do the work to get it.

I think he is incredibly insecure. So yeah, I don’t think he believes he is better than everyone else when it comes down to it. He needs to be told how great he is, imho is like an addict that way

[Tennesseer]

Nov 14, 2022 19:14:17 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 14, 2022 16:52:26 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

pmd- if he thinks he is so fucking great, and he thinks OTHERS think he is so fucking great, the best way to get that love is to form his own party.

if you are saying that would NOT get him enough love, then he must not believe that.

is that what you are saying?

I am saying that Trump has never done hard work. He has skated through life on bullshit. He wants the adulation. He just doesn’t want to do the work to get it.

I think he is incredibly insecure. So yeah, I don’t think he believes he is better than everyone else when it comes down to it. He needs to be told how great he is, imho is like an addict that way

trump is an adulation junkie.

[Bob Ross]

Nov 14, 2022 16:23:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you know what the BEST thing he could do for a power grab would be?  he could start a new political party.

if he REALLY believed in his America First Coalition, he would do that.  he SHOULD do that.  it would settle the argument.  nobody can argue with people changing voter affiliation and joining his party.  nobody.  there is nothing the GOP could do about it.  there is nothing that anybody could do about it.  he is in complete control of that move.  and then, he would have to answer to NOBODY other than his cult.

he might even win a few congressional seats.  the anti-Masonists won 25 seats in 1835.  the Americans won 51 in 1857.  the Populists won 22 in 1897.  Progressives won 8 in 1937.  i am SURE that the America First Party could win somewhere in the range of a dozen seats.  he should have done it THIS TIME.

I could live with that, and the resulting 2024 Electoral Map.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 15, 2022 11:45:18 GMT -5 Bob Ross said:

Nov 14, 2022 16:23:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you know what the BEST thing he could do for a power grab would be?  he could start a new political party.

if he REALLY believed in his America First Coalition, he would do that.  he SHOULD do that.  it would settle the argument.  nobody can argue with people changing voter affiliation and joining his party.  nobody.  there is nothing the GOP could do about it.  there is nothing that anybody could do about it.  he is in complete control of that move.  and then, he would have to answer to NOBODY other than his cult.

he might even win a few congressional seats.  the anti-Masonists won 25 seats in 1835.  the Americans won 51 in 1857.  the Populists won 22 in 1897.  Progressives won 8 in 1937.  i am SURE that the America First Party could win somewhere in the range of a dozen seats.  he should have done it THIS TIME.

I could live with that, and the resulting 2024 Electoral Map.

that would go some small distance to making up for Mondale.  

[Icelandic Woman]

WORD!

[happyhoix]

Nov 18, 2022 21:52:26 GMT -5 Icelandic Woman said:

WORD!

Well, it took a while for the evangelicals to get there, but they are done. www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-used-us-evangelicals-enraged-over-trump-betrayal-as-the-gop-heads-toward-a-civil-war/ar-AA14hb0d?ocid=EMMX&cvid=ca1e3b40024b4427b82b2d410465181b

[pulmonarymd]

We will see. If he is the republican nominee, they will support him. No way they will vote for a democrat. It is not like the s as l of a sudden realized they(or trump) aren’t true Christians because of their behavior

[happyhoix]

Nov 18, 2022 23:12:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

We will see. If he is the republican nominee, they will support him. No way they will vote for a democrat. It is not like the s as l of a sudden realized they(or trump) aren’t true Christians because of their behavior

They won’t vote for a Dem but they can vote third party- or just not vote at all.

Maybe enough that he can’t conquer the primaries.

[billisonboard]

Nov 19, 2022 18:46:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 18, 2022 23:12:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

We will see. If he is the republican nominee, they will support him. No way they will vote for a democrat. It is not like the s as l of a sudden realized they(or trump) aren’t true Christians because of their behavior

They won’t vote for a Dem but they can vote third party- or just not vote at all.

Maybe enough that he can’t conquer the primaries.

It will be interesting to see if the national GOP will work to limit winner take all delegate primaries. That would not be good for Trump.

[happyhoix]

Nov 19, 2022 18:54:22 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 19, 2022 18:46:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

They won’t vote for a Dem but they can vote third party- or just not vote at all.

Maybe enough that he can’t conquer the primaries.

It will be interesting to see if the national GOP will work to limit winner take all delegate primaries. That would not be good for Trump.

I didn’t know they could do that. That would be interesting.

[djAdvocate]

Nov 19, 2022 18:59:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Nov 19, 2022 18:54:22 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

It will be interesting to see if the national GOP will work to limit winner take all delegate primaries. That would not be good for Trump.

I didn’t know they could do that. That would be interesting.

the GOP can set the rules on the nominating process for their party any way they like, i believe.  i am not even sure there are limitations to what they can do, honestly.  it is THEIR party.  it is not a public institution, technically.  more like a company.

[djAdvocate]

note: they kind of screwed everything up in 2016 by putting the primaries first that would put Trump over the top.  it was intended to create a clear front runner before the Democrats had decided on their champion.  but the impact was to give an inferior candidate that opportunity, and, as it turned out, the eventual winner.

[billisonboard]

Nov 19, 2022 19:02:50 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Nov 19, 2022 18:59:53 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

I didn’t know they could do that. That would be interesting.

the GOP can set the rules on the nominating process for their party any way they like, i believe.  i am not even sure there are limitations to what they can do, honestly.  it is THEIR party.  it is not a public institution, technically.  more like a company.

It can be an interesting dance between state parties and the national committee. For example, states can say when they hold their primary but the national committee can say if you try and hold it too early, we will minimize the number of delegates you get at the convention.

[happyhoix]

Trump is pissed. The Walker campaign doesn’t want him to come campaign in Georgia. However, they’ve invited DeSantis to come campaign with him. 

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-furious-at-herschel-walker-campaign/ar-AA14mOQ5?ocid=EMMX&cvid=62c555c188084365b3f3df87d02c04ea

Gingrich is advocating that Kemp, DeSantis and Trump all three come to a rally in Georgia to throw their collective weight behind him. Not likely - Trump hates both DeSantis and Kemp. 

Apparently Trump is making noises that if DeSantis comes to a Georgia rally, Trump will throw his own Georgia rally - invited or not.  Sore that someone else is moving to grift the good people of Georgia out of their money, I guess. 

[djAdvocate]

Walker is about to lose his sugar daddy.  that's a tough choice.

[swamp]

Nov 21, 2022 21:52:31 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Trump is pissed. The Walker campaign doesn’t want him to come campaign in Georgia. However, they’ve invited DeSantis to come campaign with him. 

[djAdvocate]

i just watched Obama on Trevor Noah.
he made me cry a little.
he is intelligent, and has a sense of humor.
i really fucking miss that in a president.
i am so sick of the bullshit and sour expressions.
of the victim-hood and fatalism.

how about you?

[pulmonarymd]

I’m tired of the entire party. Trump is just a symptom. The entire party is a bunch of nihilist. They have no vision for the future. Have no interest in improving anything. Don’t care about the well being of ghe people. Just into victimhood for a minority of the population. Feed into “white fragility.” The fact that the get enough people to vote for them says something about our population, and I am not sure it is positive

[happyhoix]

Nov 21, 2022 22:45:21 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

I’m tired of the entire party. Trump is just a symptom. The entire party is a bunch of nihilist. They have no vision for the future. Have no interest in improving anything. Don’t care about the well being of ghe people. Just into victimhood for a minority of the population. Feed into “white fragility.” The fact that the get enough people to vote for them says something about our population, and I am not sure it is positive

 

Trump has reduced politics to who wins. The GOP doesn’t have a platform anymore. It’s just the party of winners against all the losers - the dems, the LBGTs, the immigrants, and now even against teachers, the Capital police, and the FBI.  And now, Trump is turning the GOP against the GOP.  

I remember back in 2016 there were some GOP leaders who warned their party not to let Trump take control of the party because he would destroy it. They were right. 

[happyhoix]

I’m watching MSNBC right now, and they have a guy on who had a focus group of Republican voters who had voted for Trump at least once, if not twice. 

He asked them to summarize how they felt about Trump in 1 word - a few said positive things, but most said things like ‘tired,’ ‘sanctimonious,’ ‘divisive,’  but when he asked the exact same people to summarize how they felt about DeSantis they said ‘hope’ or ‘future of the GOP’ or ‘leader.’

I think Trump might finally be done - but I think he’ll burn the house down if he goes. 

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Nov 18, 2022 23:12:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

We will see. If he is the republican nominee, they will support him. No way they will vote for a democrat. It is not like the s as l of a sudden realized they(or trump) aren’t true Christians because of their behavior

The evangelicals have money and Republicans are desperate to retain that base.  If they refuse to sign checks that's it for Trump.   They've been backing him up to this point because his name had power and brought in votes/donors.  Voters are now drying up and if the money dries up I think the Republican party will be done with him.

They have the ability to pick their candidate and put someone forward who could potentially beat Trump.

Whether not he would take his ball and go run third party or try to usurp the Democratic party to stick it to the Republicans IDK.  Given his current record if he does that though I imagine that is the end of him he doesn't have enough hard core supporters to take away from either major party enough to win.

What scares me is people get lazy and don't vote like in 2016 because they assume he will lose and he slides in that way for a second time.   People need to remember 2020 and continue to vote.

[pulmonarymd]

Nov 22, 2022 10:42:15 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

Nov 18, 2022 23:12:57 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

We will see. If he is the republican nominee, they will support him. No way they will vote for a democrat. It is not like the s as l of a sudden realized they(or trump) aren’t true Christians because of their behavior

The evangelicals have money and Republicans are desperate to retain that base.  If they refuse to sign checks that's it for Trump.   They've been backing him up to this point because his name had power and brought in votes/donors.  Voters are now drying up and if the money dries up I think the Republican party will be done with him.

They have the ability to pick their candidate and put someone forward who could potentially beat Trump.

Whether not he would take his ball and go run third party or try to usurp the Democratic party to stick it to the Republicans IDK.  Given his current record if he does that though I imagine that is the end of him he doesn't have enough hard core supporters to take away from either major party enough to win.

What scares me is people get lazy and don't vote like in 2016 because they assume he will lose and he slides in that way for a second time.   People need to remember 2020 and continue to vote.

You are far more optimistic than I am. I think Trump has a good number of republicans under his spell. If he is the nominee, they will vote for him, rather than allowing a dem to be elected president. They believe the ends justify the means. If it requires holding your nose and voting for trump, or getting what they do not want, they will vote for trump. Morals do not(and never did) matter to them.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Nov 22, 2022 10:50:56 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Nov 22, 2022 10:42:15 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

The evangelicals have money and Republicans are desperate to retain that base.  If they refuse to sign checks that's it for Trump.   They've been backing him up to this point because his name had power and brought in votes/donors.  Voters are now drying up and if the money dries up I think the Republican party will be done with him.

They have the ability to pick their candidate and put someone forward who could potentially beat Trump.

Whether not he would take his ball and go run third party or try to usurp the Democratic party to stick it to the Republicans IDK.  Given his current record if he does that though I imagine that is the end of him he doesn't have enough hard core supporters to take away from either major party enough to win.

What scares me is people get lazy and don't vote like in 2016 because they assume he will lose and he slides in that way for a second time.   People need to remember 2020 and continue to vote.

You are far more optimistic than I am. I think Trump has a good number of republicans under his spell. If he is the nominee, they will vote for him, rather than allowing a dem to be elected president. They believe the ends justify the means. If it requires holding your nose and voting for trump, or getting what they do not want, they will vote for trump. Morals do not(and never did) matter to them.

I don't know if I am optimistic.  It's more that I am well aware politicians and Republicans in particular are greedy greedy bastards.  Money is at the end of the day what makes politics go round.  If the evangelicals start pulling their money the party isn't going to abide by that.  They'll put one of the Trump Lite's in place.

I think Trump will sow chaos and destruction like always but I think there are enough Republican voters who like what Trump DOES but don't like TRUMP.  So if DeSantis wins, who is Trump in every way that matters but is still most definitely NOT Trump those people will vote for DeSantis instead.

I don't think Trump himself has enough die hard voters if that makes any sense.  If he were to split to third party I don't think he would be able to win.

But I was wrong in 2016 I am probably wrong again unfortunately.    We'll see if dark money saves the day.  Never thought I would type that sentence.