The Cult of Trump

[djAdvocate]

it would be interesting to know the subject matter of those documents.  

[Tennesseer]

Sept 2, 2022 8:03:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it would be interesting to know the subject matter of those documents.  

I think we will. Nothing in detail but a very general summary.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2022 10:08:10 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Sept 2, 2022 8:03:42 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it would be interesting to know the subject matter of those documents.  

I think we will. Nothing in detail but a very general summary.

i think so, too.

when it goes to trial, some of this stuff will come out.

[moon/Laura]

ripvanwinkle is still silent on this. I wonder why?!

[djAdvocate]

the right wing hate machine is not saying much about it.
they are saying that Biden is a lying two faced hypocrite,
and that we should reopen the Hunter Biden case.

about Trump?  nothing, really.
but at least they are not actively hollering about his civil rights being violated, or threatening civil war.

i think the lurid details on this are awesome.  well done, DOJ.
seeing all of those classified docs spread out like bags of cocaine 
is pretty damning.  and the idea that he had 18 months to give them
up without any repercussions, and had gone through them at least once
in the last 9 months (and still kept 2/3 or more of the top secret stuff)
is more than damning.  it is criminal.

even bills is not defending it.  

[djAdvocate]

that last comment was sarcastic, if anyone was wondering.

[scgal]

I think this more or less will go nowhere. It is all being pushed by the dems to keep so much negativity on him in case he runs. I also think if he says he won't run they will push all this aside and focus on the election. Just my .02

[dondub]

Sept 2, 2022 12:07:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

I think this more or less will go nowhere. It is all being pushed by the dems to keep so much negativity on him in case he runs. I also think if he says he won't run they will push all this aside and focus on the election. Just my .02

Even Trump made the possession of documents such as these a felony. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you support a known felon, as Repo-cons are no longer concerned with law and order.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2022 12:07:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

I think this more or less will go nowhere. It is all being pushed by the dems to keep so much negativity on him in case he runs. I also think if he says he won't run they will push all this aside and focus on the election. Just my .02

i think that is impossible at this juncture.  it would be the greatest failure of Garland's career if he did NOT bring charges at this point.  it would be suicide.

of course, that is possible.  lots of people (think SDNY) commit professional suicide.  it just doesn't happen OFTEN.

i can explain this remark, if you like.

as to your last comment, Trump lies too much to be taken at his word.  if he is tried and convicted and barred from office, i expect them to focus on the election.  until then, i don't expect them to do that at all.

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2022 12:12:46 GMT -5 dondub said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:07:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

I think this more or less will go nowhere. It is all being pushed by the dems to keep so much negativity on him in case he runs. I also think if he says he won't run they will push all this aside and focus on the election. Just my .02

Even Trump made the possession of documents such as these a felony. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you support a known felon, as Repo-cons are no longer concerned with law and order.

In what part of my statement did I say I supported his actions on this or didn't think he was breaking the law? 

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2022 12:18:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:07:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

I think this more or less will go nowhere. It is all being pushed by the dems to keep so much negativity on him in case he runs. I also think if he says he won't run they will push all this aside and focus on the election. Just my .02

i think that is impossible at this juncture.  it would be the greatest failure of Garland's career if he did NOT bring charges at this point.  it would be suicide.

of course, that is possible.  lots of people (think SDNY) commit professional suicide.  it just doesn't happen OFTEN.

i can explain this remark, if you like.

as to your last comment, Trump lies too much to be taken at his word.  if he is tried and convicted and barred from office, i expect them to focus on the election.  until then, i don't expect them to do that at all.

You are correct they would have to make it so he couldn't go back on his word. If he has already served a 2nd term I highly doubt the dems would even give a shit about it. BTW what is SDNY

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2022 12:22:39 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:18:55 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i think that is impossible at this juncture.  it would be the greatest failure of Garland's career if he did NOT bring charges at this point.  it would be suicide.

of course, that is possible.  lots of people (think SDNY) commit professional suicide.  it just doesn't happen OFTEN.

i can explain this remark, if you like.

as to your last comment, Trump lies too much to be taken at his word.  if he is tried and convicted and barred from office, i expect them to focus on the election.  until then, i don't expect them to do that at all.

You are correct they would have to make it so he couldn't go back on his word. If he has already served a 2nd term I highly doubt the dems would even give a shit about it. BTW what is SDNY

if who would serve a second term?

Southern District of NY.
they bailed spectacularly last year.

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2022 12:27:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:22:39 GMT -5 scgal said:

You are correct they would have to make it so he couldn't go back on his word. If he has already served a 2nd term I highly doubt the dems would even give a shit about it. BTW what is SDNY

if who would serve a second term?

Southern District of NY.
they bailed spectacularly last year.

If Trump already served 2 terms I don't think we would have even herd about any of this

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2022 12:30:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:27:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if who would serve a second term?

Southern District of NY.
they bailed spectacularly last year.

If Trump already served 2 terms I don't think we would have even herd about any of this

you mean if he did this exact same thing in his second term rather than his first?

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2022 12:32:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:30:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

If Trump already served 2 terms I don't think we would have even herd about any of this

you mean if he did this exact same thing in his second term rather than his first?

Yes I'm just talking about the classified documents at his residence. 

[tallguy]

Sept 2, 2022 12:30:08 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:27:16 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if who would serve a second term?

Southern District of NY.
they bailed spectacularly last year.

If Trump already served 2 terms I don't think we would have even herd about any of this

I think that is zero % accurate and scarily minimizes the danger to the country.

[djAdvocate]

Sept 2, 2022 12:34:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:32:38 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you mean if he did this exact same thing in his second term rather than his first?

Yes I'm just talking about the classified documents at his residence. 

it depends on who was the succeeding president.  if it were Mike Pence, then no.  nothing would happen.  because the DOJ would still be under Barr or some Barr protegee.  and the GOP seems to think that presidents are untouchable.

if it were under Biden or Harris?  yes, i think it would.

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2022 12:38:45 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:34:12 GMT -5 scgal said:

Yes I'm just talking about the classified documents at his residence. 

it depends on who was the succeeding president.  if it were Mike Pence, then no.  nothing would happen.  because the DOJ would still be under Barr or some Barr protegee.  and the GOP seems to think that presidents are untouchable.

if it were under Biden or Harris?  yes, i think it would.

I think no matter who wins the next election it all goes away if it is still going on. He may and I just says there is a slim chance of and indictment but not prosecuted. They really don't give a shit about this they just don't want him to run. Personally I don't want him to run either. 

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Even trump said no one is above the law and he was going to be tough on anyone mishandling classified documents. BTW some of those documents cannot be declassified by a president. It's time he faced justice for the first time in his life. Can't buy or lie himself out of this one.

[billisonboard]

Sept 2, 2022 12:43:56 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Even trump said no one is above the law and he was going to be tough on anyone mishandling classified documents. BTW some of those documents cannot be declassified by a president. It's time he faced justice for the first time in his life. Can't buy or lie himself out of this one.

I find two things scary with the idea that there are things that a president can't declassify. The first is that there is some person or persons who can make a fact a secret to be withheld from the American people that even our elected leader can not override. The second is that a person was elected president who is not trustworthy enough to make the call on anything and everything.

[pulmonarymd]

Sept 2, 2022 14:08:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:43:56 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Even trump said no one is above the law and he was going to be tough on anyone mishandling classified documents. BTW some of those documents cannot be declassified by a president. It's time he faced justice for the first time in his life. Can't buy or lie himself out of this one.

I find two things scary with the idea that there are things that a president can't declassify. The first is that there is some person or persons who can make a fact a secret to be withheld from the American people that even our elected leader can not override. The second is that a person was elected president who is not trustworthy enough to make the call on anything and everything.

Well, the second thing just happened. No need to imagine it anymore

[bean29]

First of all, I think the Candidates for President should be required to pass the background check for the highest Security Level as a pre-condition to running for office.

I find it horrifying that some people think that this is a non issue and as long as Trump agrees not to run for office again, we can call everything good.

If he was careless with our national secrets and our enemies have al that information, we should just say oh well?  I am Shocked that Republicans are not as horrified as Democrats.  Even if you pan to overthrow the government and plan to set up your own, I would think you would still want to use that information to secure your new country. 

I looked at the pictures of all the empty folders and I wondered what happened to the information that was in those folders before?  It was Shredded, It was stolen,it was Sold to the highest bidder, or possibly those folders are part of the information that was previously turned over to the National Archives?  I don't know how anyone can consider this a non-issue.  

[billisonboard]

Sept 2, 2022 14:21:22 GMT -5 bean29 said:

First of all, I think the Candidates for President should be required to pass the background check for the highest Security Level as a pre-condition to running for office.

I find it horrifying that some people think that this is a non issue and as long as Trump agrees not to run for office again, we can call everything good.

If he was careless with our national secrets and our enemies have al that information, we should just say oh well?  I am Shocked that Republicans are not as horrified as Democrats.  Even if you pan to overthrow the government and plan to set up your own, I would think you would still want to use that information to secure your new country. 

I looked at the pictures of all the empty folders and I wondered what happened to the information that was in those folders before?  It was Shredded, It was stolen,it was Sold to the highest bidder, or possibly those folders are part of the information that was previously turned over to the National Archives?  I don't know how anyone can consider this a non-issue.  

I am not comfortable giving the federal bureaucracy veto power over who I can or can't vote for to become president.

[billisonboard]

Sept 2, 2022 14:13:58 GMT -5 pulmonarymd said:

Sept 2, 2022 14:08:24 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I find two things scary with the idea that there are things that a president can't declassify. The first is that there is some person or persons who can make a fact a secret to be withheld from the American people that even our elected leader can not override. The second is that a person was elected president who is not trustworthy enough to make the call on anything and everything.

Well, the second thing just happened. No need to imagine it anymore

👍 thus the past tense in my post

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2022 14:21:22 GMT -5 bean29 said:

First of all, I think the Candidates for President should be required to pass the background check for the highest Security Level as a pre-condition to running for office.

I find it horrifying that some people think that this is a non issue and as long as Trump agrees not to run for office again, we can call everything good.

If he was careless with our national secrets and our enemies have al that information, we should just say oh well?  I am Shocked that Republicans are not as horrified as Democrats.  Even if you pan to overthrow the government and plan to set up your own, I would think you would still want to use that information to secure your new country. 

I looked at the pictures of all the empty folders and I wondered what happened to the information that was in those folders before?  It was Shredded, It was stolen,it was Sold to the highest bidder, or possibly those folders are part of the information that was previously turned over to the National Archives?  I don't know how anyone can consider this a non-issue.  

Exactly why I think this is all about pushing him into a corner. A classified piece of paper is nothing compared to the knowledge that a president was part of and witness to for the 4 years they are in office. There is alot more damage that can be done than from a piece of paper. 

[busymom]

Sept 2, 2022 14:21:22 GMT -5 bean29 said:

First of all, I think the Candidates for President should be required to pass the background check for the highest Security Level as a pre-condition to running for office.

I find it horrifying that some people think that this is a non issue and as long as Trump agrees not to run for office again, we can call everything good.

If he was careless with our national secrets and our enemies have al that information, we should just say oh well?  I am Shocked that Republicans are not as horrified as Democrats.  Even if you pan to overthrow the government and plan to set up your own, I would think you would still want to use that information to secure your new country. 

I looked at the pictures of all the empty folders and I wondered what happened to the information that was in those folders before?  It was Shredded, It was stolen,it was Sold to the highest bidder, or possibly those folders are part of the information that was previously turned over to the National Archives?  I don't know how anyone can consider this a non-issue.  

     My thought is, he was planning to run our country as "Putin's puppet".  We are no longer secure, BTW.  JMHO.  And you can thank Trump for the fact that our secrets are now public information to our enemies.

[moon/Laura]

Sept 2, 2022 12:19:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:12:46 GMT -5 dondub said:

Even Trump made the possession of documents such as these a felony. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised you support a known felon, as Repo-cons are no longer concerned with law and order.

In what part of my statement did I say I supported his actions on this or didn't think he was breaking the law? 

In the part where you didn't specifically say you thought he broke the law and then called it dem theatrics....

I agree that there is no way they're just going to let this go. He deserves a prison cell, not an oval office.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I find two things scary with the idea that there are things that a president can't declassify. The first is that there is some person or persons who can make a fact a secret to be withheld from the American people that even our elected leader can not override. 

It isn't necessarily a person, but a trained group of experts who make policy decisions based on facts that a president (or American people) wouldn't understand. He doesn't have to follow it, but can't disclose how we got the info. Remember trump did give up our informants once to Russia. Also remember trump didn't even read his daily security briefings because he knew more then them and trusted his gut. IMO he wouldn't have gotten a security clearance if he wasn't president (which is automatic without a background check). Kushner couldn't get one. 

I believe the intelligence community distrusted trump and were correct. I think he was making plans to make deals with Russia, North Korea and China. Either financial or political. 

[tallguy]

Sept 2, 2022 14:45:43 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:19:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

In what part of my statement did I say I supported his actions on this or didn't think he was breaking the law? 

In the part where you didn't specifically say you thought he broke the law and then called it dem theatrics....

I agree that there is no way they're just going to let this go. He deserves a prison cell firing squad, not an oval office.

FTFY.

[scgal]

Sept 2, 2022 14:45:43 GMT -5 moon/Laura said:

Sept 2, 2022 12:19:06 GMT -5 scgal said:

In what part of my statement did I say I supported his actions on this or didn't think he was breaking the law? 

In the part where you didn't specifically say you thought he broke the law and then called it dem theatrics....

I agree that there is no way they're just going to let this go. He deserves a prison cell, not an oval office.

Wow that is a pretty far fetch reach there. Just because I did not specifically agree or disagree that Trump broke the law and calling the dems response as theatrics means I must support him breaking the law. That is really out there. Kind of like kindergarten math 1+1=5.  If and I mean if when all the dust settles and Trump broke the law then whatever his fate may be he brought down on himself. All I'm saying is the dems don't give a crap if he did break the law this is all theatrics. Most people here have such hate for Trump no matter what he does they gonna hate that is on them. I rather have seen cruz win myself but it is what it is.