what happened to honest Joe?

[Value Buy]

President Biden better start looking over his back. The knives are starting to be sharpened when you see these types of articles in mainstream papers.


www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/what-happened-to-honest-joe-president-joe-bidens-promises-are-turning-into-lies/ar-AAP2iWq?li=BBnbfcL

[thyme4change]

Maybe the media isn't as biased as some believe it is.

[happyhoix]

Biden’s popularity has certainly taken a big hit. However, the bills he’s attempting to get passed are still popular with the majority of the voters.

If the bills get passed, if Covid finally subsides, I think Biden will recover. Politics is always a crap shoot.

[Value Buy]

Oct 1, 2021 10:41:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden’s popularity has certainly taken a big hit. However, the bills he’s attempting to get passed are still popular with the majority of the voters.

If the bills get passed, if Covid finally subsides, I think Biden will recover. Politics is always a crap shoot.

Are their polls out there showing the majority of the voters?
I understand most democrats are for it, but I do know a few that are saying, "are you kidding me?"
And there are polls out there showing a growing number of citizens are concerned with his competance level.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2021 10:44:20 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:41:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden’s popularity has certainly taken a big hit. However, the bills he’s attempting to get passed are still popular with the majority of the voters.

If the bills get passed, if Covid finally subsides, I think Biden will recover. Politics is always a crap shoot.

Are their polls out there showing the majority of the voters?
I understand most democrats are for it, but I do know a few that are saying, "are you kidding me?"
And there are polls out there showing a growing number of citizens are concerned with his competance level.

I am utterly unconcerned with his competence.  I think he is indistinguishable in that respect from every other president in my adult life, with two exceptions.  the Republican presidents of this millennia.  those two were varying degrees of incompetent.

[happyhoix]

Oct 1, 2021 10:44:20 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:41:16 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Biden’s popularity has certainly taken a big hit. However, the bills he’s attempting to get passed are still popular with the majority of the voters.

If the bills get passed, if Covid finally subsides, I think Biden will recover. Politics is always a crap shoot.

Are their polls out there showing the majority of the voters?
I understand most democrats are for it, but I do know a few that are saying, "are you kidding me?"
And there are polls out there showing a growing number of citizens are concerned with his competance level.

I was looking at one poll that asked multiple questions- around 40 percent approved of the job he was doing, but approval for the infrastructure bill, etc was higher- 50 to 60 percent approved.

I don’t recall there being a question specifically about his competence, but I know a majority didn’t like his handling of the Afghanistan exit, which they might link to his competence.

It’s funny, though - they don’t like the exit much, but liked the fact that we’re out.

[Value Buy]

Oct 1, 2021 10:49:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:44:20 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Are their polls out there showing the majority of the voters?
I understand most democrats are for it, but I do know a few that are saying, "are you kidding me?"
And there are polls out there showing a growing number of citizens are concerned with his competance level.

I am utterly unconcerned with his competence.  I think he is indistinguishable in that respect from every other president in my adult life, with two exceptions.  the Republican presidents of this millennia.  those two were varying degrees of incompetent.

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

[thyme4change]

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:49:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am utterly unconcerned with his competence.  I think he is indistinguishable in that respect from every other president in my adult life, with two exceptions.  the Republican presidents of this millennia.  those two were varying degrees of incompetent.

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

I think he will go down in history as bland and totally forgettable.

[Tennesseer]

For someone who said he was retiring from posting about politics or posting on the politics board, valuebuy is sure not a man of his word.

Pity.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2021 11:02:18 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

I think he will go down in history as bland and totally forgettable.

Which is fine with me after the train wreck liar, twice impeached, publicity whore, morally bankrupt, unethical, seditious 'president' named donald trump.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:49:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am utterly unconcerned with his competence.  I think he is indistinguishable in that respect from every other president in my adult life, with two exceptions.  the Republican presidents of this millennia.  those two were varying degrees of incompetent.

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

it is a virtual lock that he will rank higher than Bush or Trump.  even if he died tomorrow, he probably would.  after all, Bush is ranked below Garfield, and Garfield only survived in office for 6 months.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:49:03 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am utterly unconcerned with his competence.  I think he is indistinguishable in that respect from every other president in my adult life, with two exceptions.  the Republican presidents of this millennia.  those two were varying degrees of incompetent.

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

you might want to consider Kennedy in this instance.

Kennedy's Bay Of Pigs, according to your logic, would have made him one of the worst presidents ever. but he is not ranked that way.

[Value Buy]

Oct 1, 2021 11:10:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

it is a virtual lock that he will rank higher than Bush or Trump.  even if he died tomorrow, he probably would.  after all, Bush is ranked below Garfield, and Garfield only survived in office for 6 months.

LOL, If he died tomorrow, he would be up there with Honest Abe!

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2021 11:16:28 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 11:10:07 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

it is a virtual lock that he will rank higher than Bush or Trump.  even if he died tomorrow, he probably would.  after all, Bush is ranked below Garfield, and Garfield only survived in office for 6 months.

LOL, If he died tomorrow, he would be up there with Honest Abe!

that is not generally how it works.   witness Zachary Taylor and William Henry Harrison.

[thyme4change]

Oct 1, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

you might want to consider Kennedy in this instance.

Kennedy's Bay Of Pigs, according to your logic, would have made him one of the worst presidents ever. but he is not ranked that way.

Getting shot in the head tends to help your ratings.

[Tennesseer]

What other president ever called his press secretary to tell her Stormy Daniels lied and his penis was not small nor shaped like a toadstool.

No one but trump.  

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2021 11:40:28 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 1, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you might want to consider Kennedy in this instance.

Kennedy's Bay Of Pigs, according to your logic, would have made him one of the worst presidents ever. but he is not ranked that way.

Getting shot in the head tends to help your ratings.

I didn't say shot. the assassinated presidents did, indeed, get a boost.

I am merely mentioning the failed military exercise.

[djAdvocate]

PS- I think it is hilarious to see people making predictions in the first year of office. I think it is a really bad practice. I didn't do it with Trump. the Biden haters shouldn't do it with Biden.

in fact, the Trump supporters were arguing that we couldn't judge his legacy before he left office. that is rubbish. you can judge it much earlier than that. right around the middle of the first term you are going to have a pretty good idea of how things are going to go for a president.

[happyhoix]

Oct 1, 2021 11:06:28 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 1, 2021 11:02:18 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

I think he will go down in history as bland and totally forgettable.

Which is fine with me after the train wreck liar, twice impeached, publicity whore, morally bankrupt, unethical, seditious 'president' named donald trump.

Kind of like how Ford, by being perfectly bland and polite, helped us recover from the Nixon shit storm.

Nice to have a president who we know won’t be tweeting fire balls at anyone.

[Lizard Queen]

Oct 1, 2021 11:02:18 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

I think he will go down in history as bland and totally forgettable.

I prefer my President in the background actually working. I guess that's bland and forgettable.

[NoNamePerson]

Oct 1, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 1, 2021 10:59:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

It will be interesting how Biden is depicted in the position in a five years from now

you might want to consider Kennedy in this instance.

Kennedy's Bay Of Pigs, according to your logic, would have made him one of the worst presidents ever. but he is not ranked that way.

The longer Kennedy is dead the greater he becomes.  

[Value Buy]

Oct 1, 2021 13:56:40 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

Oct 1, 2021 11:11:59 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

you might want to consider Kennedy in this instance.

Kennedy's Bay Of Pigs, according to your logic, would have made him one of the worst presidents ever. but he is not ranked that way.

The longer Kennedy is dead the greater he becomes.  

Not by the current membership of the Democratic party. They think he was a Republican.
How about Obama? it looks like he could get excommunicated due to his middle of the road leadership only12 years ago

[dondub]

Oct 1, 2021 14:03:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 13:56:40 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

The longer Kennedy is dead the greater he becomes.  

Not by the current membership of the Democratic party. They think he was a Republican.
How about Obama? it looks like he could get excommunicated due to his middle of the road leadership only12 years ago

Fake news.

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2021 14:03:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 13:56:40 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

The longer Kennedy is dead the greater he becomes.  

Not by the current membership of the Democratic party. They think he was a Republican.
How about Obama? it looks like he could get excommunicated due to his middle of the road leadership only12 years ago

first of all, I have never cared much about what leadership of any party thinks, let alone Democrats.

secondly, he was fairly conservative by today's standards of liberalism, including starting the tax cutting madness.

I was never a fan of Kennedy. I think the "ask what you can do for your country" thing is pure statist dreck. my government serves me, not the other way around. period.

finally, there has not really been a liberal Democrat in office in my lifetime. Clinton was from Arkansas. you don't win governerships in Arkansas by being a liberal. the last liberal to make it past the primary was Mondale. Obama was a centrist Democrat running at a time when the country was still in the throes of 911 in many ways- fairly conservative. he was also a war horse, not a peacenik. it is why I could not stomach voting for him, and his stupid SURGE, which cost 500 lives in one of it's first years of implementation. terrible idea.  very Republican, really. he also was a mouthpiece for Lafferism when he failed to end the payroll tax cuts despite the fact that they were generating no jobs and huge deficits.

haven't heard much, if any of that nonsense from Biden, which is quite welcome.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 1, 2021 14:03:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 13:56:40 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

The longer Kennedy is dead the greater he becomes.  

Not by the current membership of the Democratic party. They think he was a Republican.
How about Obama? it looks like he could get excommunicated due to his middle of the road leadership only12 years ago

Excommunicated? How ecclesiastical of you.

[thyme4change]

Oct 1, 2021 14:03:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 1, 2021 13:56:40 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

The longer Kennedy is dead the greater he becomes.  

Not by the current membership of the Democratic party. They think he was a Republican.
How about Obama? it looks like he could get excommunicated due to his middle of the road leadership only12 years ago

Can you get me a source that indicates the DNC doesn't like Kennedy or Obama? That does not square with my experience, but it isn't like I have sources or anything.

[billisonboard]

Oct 1, 2021 14:19:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Oct 1, 2021 14:03:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Not by the current membership of the Democratic party. They think he was a Republican.
How about Obama? it looks like he could get excommunicated due to his middle of the road leadership only12 years ago

first of all, I have never cared much about what leadership of any party thinks, let alone Democrats.

secondly, he was fairly conservative by today's standards of liberalism, including starting the tax cutting madness.

I was never a fan of Kennedy. I think the "ask what you can do for your country" thing is pure statist dreck. my government serves me, not the other way around. period.

finally, there has not really been a liberal Democrat in office in my lifetime. Clinton was from Arkansas. you don't win governerships in Arkansas by being a liberal. the last liberal to make it past the primary was Mondale. Obama was a centrist Democrat running at a time when the country was still in the throes of 911 in many ways- fairly conservative. he was also a war horse, not a peacenik. it is why I could not stomach voting for him, and his stupid SURGE, which cost 500 lives in one of it's first years of implementation. terrible idea.  very Republican, really. he also was a mouthpiece for Lafferism when he failed to end the payroll tax cuts despite the fact that they were generating no jobs and huge deficits.

haven't heard much, if any of that nonsense from Biden, which is quite welcome.

I don't consider "my country" and "my government" to be synonymous. I think it is quite possible to "do for my country" by protesting against governmental actions.

[dondub]

Oct 1, 2021 19:41:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Oct 1, 2021 14:19:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

first of all, I have never cared much about what leadership of any party thinks, let alone Democrats.

secondly, he was fairly conservative by today's standards of liberalism, including starting the tax cutting madness.

I was never a fan of Kennedy. I think the "ask what you can do for your country" thing is pure statist dreck. my government serves me, not the other way around. period.

finally, there has not really been a liberal Democrat in office in my lifetime. Clinton was from Arkansas. you don't win governerships in Arkansas by being a liberal. the last liberal to make it past the primary was Mondale. Obama was a centrist Democrat running at a time when the country was still in the throes of 911 in many ways- fairly conservative. he was also a war horse, not a peacenik. it is why I could not stomach voting for him, and his stupid SURGE, which cost 500 lives in one of it's first years of implementation. terrible idea.  very Republican, really. he also was a mouthpiece for Lafferism when he failed to end the payroll tax cuts despite the fact that they were generating no jobs and huge deficits.

haven't heard much, if any of that nonsense from Biden, which is quite welcome.

I don't consider "my country" and "my government" to be synonymous. I think it is quite possible to "do for my country" by protesting against governmental actions.

A lesson some of us learned in 1968 and beyond. Our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence IS “our country”. Our government has most often been something else entirely. Don’t get me started.👹

[djAdvocate]

Oct 1, 2021 19:41:47 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Oct 1, 2021 14:19:04 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

first of all, I have never cared much about what leadership of any party thinks, let alone Democrats.

secondly, he was fairly conservative by today's standards of liberalism, including starting the tax cutting madness.

I was never a fan of Kennedy. I think the "ask what you can do for your country" thing is pure statist dreck. my government serves me, not the other way around. period.

finally, there has not really been a liberal Democrat in office in my lifetime. Clinton was from Arkansas. you don't win governerships in Arkansas by being a liberal. the last liberal to make it past the primary was Mondale. Obama was a centrist Democrat running at a time when the country was still in the throes of 911 in many ways- fairly conservative. he was also a war horse, not a peacenik. it is why I could not stomach voting for him, and his stupid SURGE, which cost 500 lives in one of it's first years of implementation. terrible idea.  very Republican, really. he also was a mouthpiece for Lafferism when he failed to end the payroll tax cuts despite the fact that they were generating no jobs and huge deficits.

haven't heard much, if any of that nonsense from Biden, which is quite welcome.

I don't consider "my country" and "my government" to be synonymous. I think it is quite possible to "do for my country" by protesting against governmental actions.

that's because you hate America, bills.

(sarcasm off)

[tallguy]

To get back to the question:

what happened to honest Joe?

Nothing.  He just has more peoole lying about him now.


Isn't that about it, really?