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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 15, 2021 19:41:04 GMT -5
Donald Trump's laughably childish threat to Mike Pence
Donald Trump is, at root, just an overgrown kid. And not in any good way. Trump's childishness shines through in an excerpt from the soon-to-be released book by authors Bob Woodward and Robert Costa detailing the then-President's attempts to cajole then-Vice President Mike Pence into overturning the 2020 election. Here's the key passage -- picking up at Pence's refusal to do Trump's bidding: "When Pence did not budge, Trump turned on him. "'No, no, no!' Trump shouted, according to the authors. 'You don't understand, Mike. You can do this. I don't want to be your friend anymore if you don't do this.'" Start here: As an adult, can you imagine ANY circumstance in which you would tell another adult "I don't want to be your friend anymore"? Like, taking all of politics and the stakes out of this, and it's just not the sort of thing a normal adult would say to another adult. And yet, the President of the United States did say exactly that to the vice president of the United States with the fate of the 2020 election (and the broader health of democracy) in the balance. Complete article here: link
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 15, 2021 19:47:17 GMT -5
appalling.
Biden is boring, and I love it.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 15, 2021 19:58:34 GMT -5
I actually can imagine saying as an adult I won't be friends with you.
If Donald Trump approached me.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 15, 2021 20:02:28 GMT -5
I'm surprised no known incidents yet of trump saying to someone else, "I know you are but what am I?"
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Post by tbop77 on Sept 16, 2021 6:37:12 GMT -5
Because of what came out in this book, Trump is calling on his allies to charge Milley with Treason. Yes, let’s charge the head of the military who decided to not act on any rash actions the enraged loser president might try to take post election, but let’s ignore the treasonous acts of that president on 1/6. And frankly every time Trump makes a public complaint about the election being stolen from him, which happens anytime he gets within sight of a camera or microphone, that should be a separate treason charge for undermining our democracy. Wait, what? I thought it was all fake news! If he or others in the inner circle should be charged with treason, it's because they didn't have the guts to let the American people know the US was in trouble with Trump in the Whitehouse.
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Per the book, Trumps lawyers had to explain how the Supreme Court works.
When it became clear Trump was going to lose in 2020 Trump wanted to March on down to the SC and have them throw it out. When the lawyers told him it didn’t work that way he wanted the lawyers to go figure out how to make it work that way.
Worst legal client ever.
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Post by azucena on Sept 16, 2021 14:27:54 GMT -5
Pretty sure that's because he operates at a 3rd/4th grade level, and generally we don't learn about the Supreme Court until 7th/8th.
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Post by swamp on Sept 17, 2021 9:54:57 GMT -5
I just ordered it.
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Post by Opti on Sept 17, 2021 10:10:45 GMT -5
Because of what came out in this book, Trump is calling on his allies to charge Milley with Treason. Yes, let’s charge the head of the military who decided to not act on any rash actions the enraged loser president might try to take post election, but let’s ignore the treasonous acts of that president on 1/6. And frankly every time Trump makes a public complaint about the election being stolen from him, which happens anytime he gets within sight of a camera or microphone, that should be a separate treason charge for undermining our democracy. Wait, what? I thought it was all fake news! If he or others in the inner circle should be charged with treason, it's because they didn't have the guts to let the American people know the US was in trouble with Trump in the Whitehouse. Trump doesn't understand treason either. He thinks he can get people charged with Treason if they make him look bad. He doesn't seem to get that treason is about certain crimes against our country.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 17, 2021 10:17:40 GMT -5
Wait, what? I thought it was all fake news! If he or others in the inner circle should be charged with treason, it's because they didn't have the guts to let the American people know the US was in trouble with Trump in the Whitehouse. Trump doesn't understand treason either. He thinks he can get people charged with Treason if they make him look bad. He doesn't seem to get that treason is about certain crimes against our country. In the countries he idolizes that's how it works. It shocks me how many people harp on countries like Afghanistan or North Korea then turn around to cheer a person who has the exact same type of personality and votes them into the highest office in the country. The difference is Trump didn't succeed in getting Pence or Pelosi hanged in a public square.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2021 10:12:49 GMT -5
Interesting article about the book Peril. The Most Confounding Part of Bob Woodward’s New Trump Book Is What It Doesn’t SaySeptember is the month of renewed beginnings: the autumn equinox, the start of the school year, the U.N. General Assembly, and, in recent years, the appearance of a new Bob Woodward book. It’s happened in three of the past four Septembers, with each volume of his bluntly titled Trump trilogy—Fear (2018), Rage (2020), and now Peril (2021), the last co-authored with Robert Costa. The seasonal routine has already hardened into ritual. His longtime employer, the Washington Post, previews a few of the book’s most breathless scoops; the scoops are discussed (often inaccurately) on every TV news show; by pub date, the book has rocketed to the top of the best-seller list. The books themselves also follow a pattern, so consistent, over the past few decades, that it might be dubbed “Woodwardian.” The author amasses vast quantities of scoops, some of them extraordinary. He subjects them to little, if any, analysis. Instead, he channels his anecdotes through the viewpoints of well-known characters, who tend to be either heroes (who often coincide with sources who have told him a lot) or villains (who usually haven’t). This last trait is common among Washington journalists who rely too much on insider sources, but Woodward takes the practice to extremes. The main hero in Peril, as many have noted, is Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is portrayed as the warrior-savior who kept the world at peace during Donald Trump’s most turbulent outbursts. Milley exaggerates, and Woodward lets him. (In a column last week, I scrutinized the claims about Milley’s alleged subversions of Trump’s war powers.) Woodward’s credulity of his favored sources taints his own credibility on matters large and small. For instance, there’s a passage describing the events of June 1, 2020, as protests are erupting, some violent, in reaction to the police killing of George Floyd. News footage that day revealed Milley strutting through the streets of downtown Washington, D.C., in combat fatigues, as if he were inspecting the troops in wartime. He was much criticized for this and, 10 days later, apologized. But Woodward treats the general’s wardrobe as innocuous, writing, “Milley left the White House and headed downtown to visit the FBI command post monitoring the demonstrations. Expecting a late night, he changed into his uniform of camouflage fatigues to be more comfortable.” I have no doubt this is the explanation Milley fed him. I am stunned that, after 45 years of high-level journalism, Woodward still lacks a functioning bullshit-detector. Complete article here: link
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Post by Opti on Sept 21, 2021 11:07:38 GMT -5
Another article- www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-wants-back-the-presidency-but-his-only-agenda-is-to-serve-himself-bob-woodward/ar-AAOFodp?ocid=msedgntp“This is someone who wants back into the presidency, and he believes the Republican Party is still very much in his grip,” Costa continued. “Even though there are others out there with ambition like Vice President [Mike] Pence and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, it’s President Trump who really wants back, based on our reporting.” Woodward expanded from there by saying that if Trump ever does get back into the White House, the question is “to do what?” “The answer is to be Donald Trump,” he answered. “That is not an agenda. That does not connect to the needs of the people in the country. His disconnect from that, the struggle that people are engaged in, he has no idea.” Woodward concluded by saying the purpose of his book was for people to ask “what did [Trump] do with the presidency? Why were there so many people who held him in disdain? They would checkmate him because he would have very ideas bad ideas, even bad ideas for him.”I agree it would be nice to have some analysis and more digging than most readers can do. Anyone in Trump's orbit did bad and stupid things regularly just to remain in their jobs. I don't see Barr as a hero. I'm glad he did less stupid things at the end of Trump's presidency. Milley seems pragmatic towards the end.
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Post by swamp on Sept 21, 2021 12:02:48 GMT -5
Interesting article about the book Peril. The Most Confounding Part of Bob Woodward’s New Trump Book Is What It Doesn’t SaySeptember is the month of renewed beginnings: the autumn equinox, the start of the school year, the U.N. General Assembly, and, in recent years, the appearance of a new Bob Woodward book. It’s happened in three of the past four Septembers, with each volume of his bluntly titled Trump trilogy—Fear (2018), Rage (2020), and now Peril (2021), the last co-authored with Robert Costa. The seasonal routine has already hardened into ritual. His longtime employer, the Washington Post, previews a few of the book’s most breathless scoops; the scoops are discussed (often inaccurately) on every TV news show; by pub date, the book has rocketed to the top of the best-seller list. The books themselves also follow a pattern, so consistent, over the past few decades, that it might be dubbed “Woodwardian.” The author amasses vast quantities of scoops, some of them extraordinary. He subjects them to little, if any, analysis. Instead, he channels his anecdotes through the viewpoints of well-known characters, who tend to be either heroes (who often coincide with sources who have told him a lot) or villains (who usually haven’t). This last trait is common among Washington journalists who rely too much on insider sources, but Woodward takes the practice to extremes. The main hero in Peril, as many have noted, is Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who is portrayed as the warrior-savior who kept the world at peace during Donald Trump’s most turbulent outbursts. Milley exaggerates, and Woodward lets him. (In a column last week, I scrutinized the claims about Milley’s alleged subversions of Trump’s war powers.) Woodward’s credulity of his favored sources taints his own credibility on matters large and small. For instance, there’s a passage describing the events of June 1, 2020, as protests are erupting, some violent, in reaction to the police killing of George Floyd. News footage that day revealed Milley strutting through the streets of downtown Washington, D.C., in combat fatigues, as if he were inspecting the troops in wartime. He was much criticized for this and, 10 days later, apologized. But Woodward treats the general’s wardrobe as innocuous, writing, “Milley left the White House and headed downtown to visit the FBI command post monitoring the demonstrations. Expecting a late night, he changed into his uniform of camouflage fatigues to be more comfortable.” I have no doubt this is the explanation Milley fed him. I am stunned that, after 45 years of high-level journalism, Woodward still lacks a functioning bullshit-detector. Complete article here: linkMaybe trump et al emit so much bullshit his detector is overwhelmed
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 21, 2021 12:25:10 GMT -5
heard Mary Trump interviewed about this book last night.
I am still thinking the coup is underway. it is just slow. like Trump. Trump has not given up, and neither have his followers.
anyone else agree?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2021 12:31:51 GMT -5
heard Mary Trump interviewed about this book last night. I am still thinking the coup is underway. it is just slow. like Trump. Trump has not given up, and neither have his followers. anyone else agree? I posted this on another thread. Give it a watch. It about a new letter from Trump to the Georgia SoS.
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Post by Opti on Sept 21, 2021 15:13:55 GMT -5
heard Mary Trump interviewed about this book last night. I am still thinking the coup is underway. it is just slow. like Trump. Trump has not given up, and neither have his followers. anyone else agree? I don't think he'll have success until possibly 2024. What worries me is so many of the GOP are under his spell. They got sucked in "for the party" and don't seem to be able to acknowledge how deadly he is for America and our government.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2021 20:14:54 GMT -5
heard Mary Trump interviewed about this book last night. I am still thinking the coup is underway. it is just slow. like Trump. Trump has not given up, and neither have his followers. anyone else agree? I don't think he'll have success until possibly 2024. What worries me is so many of the GOP are under his spell. They got sucked in "for the party" and don't seem to be able to acknowledge how deadly he is for America and our government. The elected GOP Trump supporters are fearful of losing their jobs so they suck up to Trump. Whatever happened to country over party? Sad state of political affairs.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 21, 2021 23:20:33 GMT -5
If anyone is up at this hour, Woodward and Costa are on the Stephen Colbert show right now.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 22, 2021 4:58:21 GMT -5
heard Mary Trump interviewed about this book last night. I am still thinking the coup is underway. it is just slow. like Trump. Trump has not given up, and neither have his followers. anyone else agree? I don't think he'll have success until possibly 2024. What worries me is so many of the GOP are under his spell. They got sucked in "for the party" and don't seem to be able to acknowledge how deadly he is for America and our government. Deadly for America and our government? He’s deadly for his own party. Lost the house and senate, lost the presidency, encouraged batshit candidates like Bobert and MTG, shrinking the party base to angry white older men and Karen’s. GOP is going to have to split into a Trump party and the Reagan GOP if they keep catering to Trump.
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 22, 2021 12:14:40 GMT -5
yeah, it is really weird that they view him as a liferaft rather than an iceberg.
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Post by happyhoix on Sept 22, 2021 12:36:11 GMT -5
heard Mary Trump interviewed about this book last night. I am still thinking the coup is underway. it is just slow. like Trump. Trump has not given up, and neither have his followers. anyone else agree? By the way, Trump is suing his niece for publishing some of his tax returns. Wish I could be on that jury. You bilked your niece out of her inheritance and now you want more money out of her?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Sept 22, 2021 13:02:09 GMT -5
Discovery could be fun in that one. Not sure he wants to go to court, but I doubt the NY Times will settle.
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Post by Opti on Sept 22, 2021 13:37:49 GMT -5
Trump's ego is his worst enemy. His base still loves him win or lose. This however, might be somewhat uplifting- www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/eric-trump-lawyer-in-new-york-attorney-general-s-fraud-case-quits/ar-AAOFWJf?ocid=undefinedA lawyer for Eric Trump in New York Attorney General Letitia James's (D) fraud investigation into the Trump Organization has withdrawn from representing the former president's son in the case, court records reveal.
In a court document dated last Tuesday, attorney Marc Mukasey withdrew his appearance as counsel for Trump. Trump will continue to be represented by attorney Alan Futerfas. Mukasey was hired by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) in April amid a Justice Department probe into allegations of having an inappropriate relationship with a minor.
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