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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 20:22:54 GMT -5
It would be interesting to have Congress "de-certify" some of those holidays and see how organizations and individuals respond. How would a manufacturing facility deal with a December 25th that 80% of their work force request the day off? Would the 20% be forced to take the day off? Would they work? How would it work if there were few if any supervisory staff not requesting it off? in my husband's line of work (commercial food production) they work the majority of holidays. He's been on both sides too. Working on the production line & moving up to management/supervisory staff. He's had to work overnight on Thanksgiving. The day shifts had it off but the night shift did "start up" on production for the next day. We didn't spend a New Years Eve together for 10+ years. Same for 4th of July, Easter, Xmas Eve, etc. Food production doesn't stop. It's 24/7 with the only breaks in production being for cleaning/resetting of equipment.
People who call out on those days are risking their jobs. They have done mass suspensions and/or firings on people who call out on working holidays. People are pissed about having to work, but they show up or don't have a job when they come back. Now, with that said, they DO receive holiday pay AND paid time off on another day (must be requested & approved thru management). It wasn't until about 5 years ago that they finally stopped dragging night shift people in on Christmas Eve, but the night shift still gets screwed over on Christmas Day (night). Generally, my hubby doesn't get home until 7-9 pm on Christmas Eve because he has to cover "shut down" for the day. When he worked nights, he was part of the come in for start up crew. He's missed Thanksgiving dinners, missed Christmas Eve gatherings. The week leading up to the 4th of July & the week after are considered "hell weeks" (think hotdog & hamburger bun production before cook out holidays & trying to restock those products after those holidays) Overtime is thru the roof.
Only once in the 21 years he's worked at his plant did it shut down completely for any length of time. That was when they were putting in 2 entire new production lines with ovens, conveyor belts, mixers, etc. They were closed for 10 days. Hourly folks were fucked pay wise unless they had vacation time built up. Salary folks were covered.
Different industry, but similar in some ways with holidays. Everything for us worker bees is by seniority. If I worked the evening or night shift, I’d have enough seniority to mean something, but I work days and with 23 years in, I’m still a peon. I had enough seniority on the evening shift that I didn’t usually have to work holidays. On the day shift, if 20 people are forced to work, I’ll be 1 of them….. and we have hundreds of employees in our building.5 or 6 years ago, my job forced people to come in on Christmas, which had never happened in all my years working there. That had always been the ONE holiday you could count on being off for, if you didn’t volunteer. It’s also the most expensive holiday for my employer, because they have to pay us more for working Christmas than for working any other holiday. IMO, my coworkers that work overnight get screwed on most holidays anyway. Their “holiday” is always really the night before the actual holiday and the night of the actual holiday is their regular day. So, you might have enough seniority to not have to work on “Thanksgiving”, but you’ll really be off work the night before Thanksgiving and have to go in to work Thanksgiving evening/night. It’s just part of the package for us, we’re going to work most holidays for years. Actually, we miss a lot of other stuff too with our families because if you get to the day shift permanently in less than 20 years, you got lucky. I raised children as a single Mom, working evenings, and let me say that it’s not fun and it’s not easy. I loved summers because I could spend more time with them since they didn’t have to go to school. Federal holidays were nice too, because I never volunteered to work them, so once I started getting some holidays off, it was an extra day that I could spend with my children even if the reason for the holiday didn’t mean much to me.
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Post by swamp on Jun 19, 2021 22:01:41 GMT -5
We talked about MLK day and I told him I resented the fact that I lost a day of school to the closing for the holiday. Naturally he got his feathers ruffled until I explained my position. This country had no other 'closing' holidays for an individual person with the exception of Jesus Christ, and I didn't put MLK on the same footing as Jesus. Columbus Day. It’s named after Christopher Columbus who got lost looking for spices and then decided to rape and kill the natives. MLK is more deserving of a holiday.
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Post by Opti on Jun 20, 2021 6:54:15 GMT -5
My facility is open every day every hour so almost everyone works holidays unless they are dept heads that generally work through the week. The only time I have taken off since I was made FT a little over a year ago was for being or preventing being sick. Our coverage is weak, so me being out unplanned sick causes a scramble. And like TG, it does cause more work for me when I return.
And like Steff's husband, holiday coverage is required because residents need 24x7 care. People do get fired over that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2021 8:18:54 GMT -5
We talked about MLK day and I told him I resented the fact that I lost a day of school to the closing for the holiday. Naturally he got his feathers ruffled until I explained my position. This country had no other 'closing' holidays for an individual person with the exception of Jesus Christ, and I didn't put MLK on the same footing as Jesus. Columbus Day. It’s named after Christopher Columbus who got lost looking for spices and then decided to rape and kill the natives. MLK is more deserving of a holiday. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” “And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. -George Orwell.
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 25, 2021 9:07:45 GMT -5
It would be interesting to have Congress "de-certify" some of those holidays and see how organizations and individuals respond. How would a manufacturing facility deal with a December 25th that 80% of their work force request the day off? Would the 20% be forced to take the day off? Would they work? How would it work if there were few if any supervisory staff not requesting it off? I don't think Congress's declaration of holidays has any legal bearing on if a company considers it a holiday and I am not aware of any laws that say a company is required to give you time off- paid or unpaid. I don't get a holiday for MLK or Veterans day, etc. One of the arguments that people use against any new declared holidays is that we shouldn't pay those lazy government employees for additional days off. And that having the DMV (or whatever) closed for one more day is a huge inconvenience that will destroy the country. It is almost refreshing that people owned their racism this time.
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Post by imawino on Jun 25, 2021 12:59:12 GMT -5
When I was a student at DeVry my lab partner was a late 30s man who happened to be black. He had a beautiful wife who was pg and was a white lady. We talked about MLK day and I told him I resented the fact that I lost a day of school to the closing for the holiday. Naturally he got his feathers ruffled until I explained my position. This country had no other 'closing' holidays for an individual person with the exception of Jesus Christ, and I didn't put MLK on the same footing as Jesus.It's nice to have 3 day weekends. Right now I'm a part-timer so don't get holiday pay, and working in manufacturing things get scheduled around the days off. Out of 12 months. nine have the holidays. Jan ...... NY day and MLK Feb ..... Prez day March ........ ? April ...... Good Friday - not sure if this is a nat'l holiday or if individual companies take the option May ...... Memorial Day June ..... now Juneteenth July ..... 4th August ........ ? Sept .... Labor Day Oct ........ ? Nov ........ Thanksgiving weekend Dec ........ Christmas Did I miss any 'closing' holiday? I don't either. But Christmas has taken on enough other meaning to where I think it is okay to keep it a United States holiday.
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