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Post by billisonboard on Jun 16, 2021 21:39:00 GMT -5
"This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together by creating a separate Independence Day based on the color of one's skin," (GOP Rep. Chip Roy of Texas) said in a statement. link "There were different independence days based on the color of one's skin"
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2021 21:46:06 GMT -5
Chip Roy has been busy.
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 16, 2021 21:50:02 GMT -5
Marjorie Taylor Greene voted for it?
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 17, 2021 6:34:25 GMT -5
She must have been confused
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Post by Opti on Jun 17, 2021 6:46:05 GMT -5
It has made me feel, what a difference a year makes. With Trump out of office, at last somethings are happening for people of color, etc. And I think it was very wise to make it a holiday. Almost forces it to be part of the teaching of history. I thought I was taught well enough in Jr. High, but I didn't remember hearing about this. It will be educational I think for many of us, and locally there are already some parks being renamed to honor African Americans. A park in Brooklyn (I think that's right, it was on TV), was named after the first black elected council member? (Not sure on the job title either) At least one piece of the signage is using the colors I am seeing for Juneteenth celebrations. If you felt a disturbance in the force Monday, it turns out Trump celebrated his 75th birthday in Bedminster, NJ at his golf club. (He is charging the Secret Service more than my annual income for port a potties. I guess the help can't use his toilets no matter what color they are. )
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Post by thyme4change on Jun 17, 2021 9:45:34 GMT -5
Everyone should be happy slavery ended.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 17, 2021 14:41:44 GMT -5
She must have been confused Well, she thinks June has 31 days so she probably gets confused a lot, about a lot of things.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 18, 2021 22:23:01 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but hell, that's never stopped me before.... I would go the other way from most. I would say that not only should Juneteenth not be a national holiday, but we should get rid of most of the others too. The only ones that I think should remain as national holidays are Independence Day and Memorial Day. Celebrate that we are an independent nation, and celebrate those who made and kept it so. None of the other holidays are really worthy of that status, since they don't really apply to the nation itself. 1. New Year's Day -- Seriously? If people really need a day off after staying up celebrating and drinking, take a vacation day. Or..., they could just be adults. 2. Martin Luther King's birthday -- A great American hero, but no individual is worthy of a national holiday, particularly since we got rid of separate holidays for Washington and Lincoln. 3. President's Day -- An easy compromise from the excess of having two president's birthdays as holidays, but most of our presidents have given us little to be proud of. Not worth a holiday. 4. Labor Day -- Again no. Why should there be a holiday to celebrate people doing their jobs? Shouldn't that be a minimum expectation? 5. Veteran's Day -- Could be easily combined into an expanded Memorial Day. 6. Thanksgiving -- A nice idea, to be grateful for our blessings, but why should it be a national holiday? And why should many workplaces be closed for two days because of it? 7. Christmas -- Ostensibly a religious holiday, though now it seems mostly a commercial one. Even if we stipulate, however, that it is still in fact a religious holiday, why in a constitutional republic that has both an establishment clause and a free exercise clause are we creating and celebrating a religious holiday on the federal level? ETA: I apparently omitted Columbus Day. There is so little reason for Columbus Day to be a federal holiday that I didn't even remember that Columbus Day is a federal holiday.
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Post by Opti on Jun 19, 2021 7:04:45 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but hell, that's never stopped me before.... I would go the other way from most. I would say that not only should Juneteenth not be a national holiday, but we should get rid of most of the others too. The only ones that I think should remain as national holidays are Independence Day and Memorial Day. Celebrate that we are an independent nation, and celebrate those who made and kept it so. None of the other holidays are really worthy of that status, since they don't really apply to the nation itself. 1. New Year's Day -- Seriously? If people really need a day off after staying up celebrating and drinking, take a vacation day. Or..., they could just be adults. 2. Martin Luther King's birthday -- A great American hero, but no individual is worthy of a national holiday, particularly since we got rid of separate holidays for Washington and Lincoln. 3. President's Day -- An easy compromise from the excess of having two president's birthdays as holidays, but most of our presidents have given us little to be proud of. Not worth a holiday. 4. Labor Day -- Again no. Why should there be a holiday to celebrate people doing their jobs? Shouldn't that be a minimum expectation? 5. Veteran's Day -- Could be easily combined into an expanded Memorial Day. 6. Thanksgiving -- A nice idea, to be grateful for our blessings, but why should it be a national holiday? And why should many workplaces be closed for two days because of it? 7. Christmas -- Ostensibly a religious holiday, though now it seems mostly a commercial one. Even if we stipulate, however, that it is still in fact a religious holiday, why in a constitutional republic that has both an establishment clause and a free exercise clause are we creating and celebrating a religious holiday on the federal level? I think its good to have more than two national holidays to allow retail peons and other essential workers have some time off every year. In contrast to us, India has a ridiculous amount of holidays. Somewhere around a third of the days that make up a year. That's crazy. I agree with you on the Memorial Day/Veteran's Day thing It would take an act of Congress, but you could also write your lawmakers and request they cap the number of federal holidays to two, or I'd pick a more realistic number, and have the law require if a new federal holiday comes into being, one of the current federal holidays remains a holiday, but not a sanctioned federal one. Given our fake mythology in America, I believe Thanksgiving should stay. Its part of the settler origin myth and how they are thankful they survived with help from Native Americans. Even though companies giving off Friday is their convention, not federally mandated, perhaps the Friday after Thanksgiving should be Native Americans day. There are many days that have been codified into law that are not federal holidays. According to one program on the radio yesterday, yesterday was 'Go Fishing Day' or something like that. I thought Labor day was not just to celebrate all those that worked, but had something to do with fed taxes as well. I'm off my game, so I could be wrong about that, but its kind of nice to celebrate the labor of those who do paid work. For example both Mother's Day and Father's Day exist. I consider them minor holidays, but they celebrate parents, family, and the unpaid work that supports us as a community. Mother's Day is the day of highest phone call volume every year. While I wish there was an Atlas day or something to celebrate us singletons who have never benefitted from the tax code favoring families, yet have soldiered on, paying more percentage-wise than those who had kids, supporting the community simply by working, existing, and paying taxes. I disagree with you on Martin Luther King. He is our Ghandi equivalent, and it is not just the man IMO that is recognized. Neither did what they did in a vacuum. As true patriots and people who wanted to better the human condition, both were willing to put their lives on the line to make their country a better place to live.
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Post by mary2029 on Jun 19, 2021 8:02:34 GMT -5
Recently a member of Congress mentioned wearing a face mask to the Holocaust. If we have a federal holiday so that kids in school learn about slavery and the end of slavery, maybe we limit some future asinine statements.
I think your opinion is understandable... you are no longer working and you don't want to pay people to have a day off. With your opinion on Labor Day, it sounds like you are now on the side of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory owners.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2021 9:09:01 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but hell, that's never stopped me before.... I would go the other way from most. I would say that not only should Juneteenth not be a national holiday, but we should get rid of most of the others too. The only ones that I think should remain as national holidays are Independence Day and Memorial Day. Celebrate that we are an independent nation, and celebrate those who made and kept it so. None of the other holidays are really worthy of that status, since they don't really apply to the nation itself. 1. New Year's Day -- Seriously? If people really need a day off after staying up celebrating and drinking, take a vacation day. Or..., they could just be adults. 2. Martin Luther King's birthday -- A great American hero, but no individual is worthy of a national holiday, particularly since we got rid of separate holidays for Washington and Lincoln. 3. President's Day -- An easy compromise from the excess of having two president's birthdays as holidays, but most of our presidents have given us little to be proud of. Not worth a holiday. 4. Labor Day -- Again no. Why should there be a holiday to celebrate people doing their jobs? Shouldn't that be a minimum expectation? 5. Veteran's Day -- Could be easily combined into an expanded Memorial Day. 6. Thanksgiving -- A nice idea, to be grateful for our blessings, but why should it be a national holiday? And why should many workplaces be closed for two days because of it? 7. Christmas -- Ostensibly a religious holiday, though now it seems mostly a commercial one. Even if we stipulate, however, that it is still in fact a religious holiday, why in a constitutional republic that has both an establishment clause and a free exercise clause are we creating and celebrating a religious holiday on the federal level? Questions: Would the number of personal leave days be increased by the number of federal holidays eliminated? Or would Americans just work more days? I think there is a benefit to a reasonable amount of time off from work. Here is a link to a site that indicates US workers already work more hours annually than countries similar to ours. I question whether we should increase work hours. I think there are benefits to having collective days off for a large percentage of the population. One example is that students and parents have the same days off so child care isn't an issue while quality time is shared. In this, and other situations, it is beneficial that work stops for all and is then picked up again where it was left. Making individual arrangements to cover individual schedules is more difficult. The arguments about having any of the specific days with their specific justifications is great fun. 👍 But bottom line for me is having collective days off is a net positive.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 19, 2021 10:37:50 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but hell, that's never stopped me before.... I would go the other way from most. I would say that not only should Juneteenth not be a national holiday, but we should get rid of most of the others too. The only ones that I think should remain as national holidays are Independence Day and Memorial Day. Celebrate that we are an independent nation, and celebrate those who made and kept it so. None of the other holidays are really worthy of that status, since they don't really apply to the nation itself. 1. New Year's Day -- Seriously? If people really need a day off after staying up celebrating and drinking, take a vacation day. Or..., they could just be adults. 2. Martin Luther King's birthday -- A great American hero, but no individual is worthy of a national holiday, particularly since we got rid of separate holidays for Washington and Lincoln. 3. President's Day -- An easy compromise from the excess of having two president's birthdays as holidays, but most of our presidents have given us little to be proud of. Not worth a holiday. 4. Labor Day -- Again no. Why should there be a holiday to celebrate people doing their jobs? Shouldn't that be a minimum expectation? 5. Veteran's Day -- Could be easily combined into an expanded Memorial Day. 6. Thanksgiving -- A nice idea, to be grateful for our blessings, but why should it be a national holiday? And why should many workplaces be closed for two days because of it? 7. Christmas -- Ostensibly a religious holiday, though now it seems mostly a commercial one. Even if we stipulate, however, that it is still in fact a religious holiday, why in a constitutional republic that has both an establishment clause and a free exercise clause are we creating and celebrating a religious holiday on the federal level? Questions: Would the number of personal leave days be increased by the number of federal holidays eliminated? Or would Americans just work more days? I think there is a benefit to a reasonable amount of time off from work. Here is a link to a site that indicates US workers already work more hours annually than countries similar to ours. I question whether we should increase work hours. I think there are benefits to having collective days off for a large percentage of the population. One example is that students and parents have the same days off so child care isn't an issue while quality time is shared. In this, and other situations, it is beneficial that work stops for all and is then picked up again where it was left. Making individual arrangements to cover individual schedules is more difficult. The arguments about having any of the specific days with their specific justifications is great fun. 👍 But bottom line for me is having collective days off is a net positive. Yes, I would give more personal days for the employee to take off when needed or wanted. It makes more sense to me to give employees the option when to take their time off. The only thing that holidays used to mean for me was that I then had five days worth of work to do in four days. And yes, I was using national holiday and federal holiday interchangeably.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2021 10:43:27 GMT -5
Questions: Would the number of personal leave days be increased by the number of federal holidays eliminated? Or would Americans just work more days? I think there is a benefit to a reasonable amount of time off from work. Here is a link to a site that indicates US workers already work more hours annually than countries similar to ours. I question whether we should increase work hours. I think there are benefits to having collective days off for a large percentage of the population. One example is that students and parents have the same days off so child care isn't an issue while quality time is shared. In this, and other situations, it is beneficial that work stops for all and is then picked up again where it was left. Making individual arrangements to cover individual schedules is more difficult. The arguments about having any of the specific days with their specific justifications is great fun. 👍 But bottom line for me is having collective days off is a net positive. Yes, I would give more personal days for the employee to take off when needed or wanted. It makes more sense to me to give employees the option when to take their time off. The only thing that holidays used to mean for me was that I then had five days worth of work to do in four days. Was there a difference between when it was an officially sanctioned holiday and an individually selected day off?
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Post by tallguy on Jun 19, 2021 10:56:58 GMT -5
Yes, I would give more personal days for the employee to take off when needed or wanted. It makes more sense to me to give employees the option when to take their time off. The only thing that holidays used to mean for me was that I then had five days worth of work to do in four days. Was there a difference between when it was an officially sanctioned holiday and an individually selected day off? Yes, if the building was open my backup could have done much or most of it. Instead, the workload increased the day after and I would then play catch-up. It depends on the nature of the work, of course, but in many jobs it is far easier to handle one person being gone for a day than everybody being gone.
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2021 11:48:37 GMT -5
Was there a difference between when it was an officially sanctioned holiday and an individually selected day off? Yes, if the building was open my backup could have done much or most of it. Instead, the workload increased the day after and I would then play catch-up. It depends on the nature of the work, of course, but in many jobs it is far easier to handle one person being gone for a day than everybody being gone. I would have to take your word on this one. My personal work experience has been mainly teaching which meant substitute lesson plans and Camp work which either made no difference or working holidays depending on user group needs. Irrelevant personal story: One year on Veteran's Day I was sitting in the camp office waiting for a HS girl's basketball team to show up for team building. I was talking with the semi-retired guy who covered the office on weekends/holidays. We realized we were the only two veterans on staff and the only two working that day. I did mention it to our boss. The next year we had a laugh when we realized we were in the same situation again.
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Post by tallguy on Jun 19, 2021 12:26:13 GMT -5
Maybe your boss was just looking out for you to make sure you two got holiday pay!
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2021 12:28:27 GMT -5
Maybe your boss was just looking out for you to make sure you two got holiday pay! Holiday pay? What is that?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2021 12:55:36 GMT -5
It would be interesting to have Congress "de-certify" some of those holidays and see how organizations and individuals respond. How would a manufacturing facility deal with a December 25th that 80% of their work force request the day off? Would the 20% be forced to take the day off? Would they work? How would it work if there were few if any supervisory staff not requesting it off?
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Post by Opti on Jun 19, 2021 12:55:54 GMT -5
This is going to be an unpopular opinion, but hell, that's never stopped me before.... I would go the other way from most. I would say that not only should Juneteenth not be a national holiday, but we should get rid of most of the others too. The only ones that I think should remain as national holidays are Independence Day and Memorial Day. Celebrate that we are an independent nation, and celebrate those who made and kept it so. None of the other holidays are really worthy of that status, since they don't really apply to the nation itself. 1. New Year's Day -- Seriously? If people really need a day off after staying up celebrating and drinking, take a vacation day. Or..., they could just be adults. 2. Martin Luther King's birthday -- A great American hero, but no individual is worthy of a national holiday, particularly since we got rid of separate holidays for Washington and Lincoln. 3. President's Day -- An easy compromise from the excess of having two president's birthdays as holidays, but most of our presidents have given us little to be proud of. Not worth a holiday. 4. Labor Day -- Again no. Why should there be a holiday to celebrate people doing their jobs? Shouldn't that be a minimum expectation? 5. Veteran's Day -- Could be easily combined into an expanded Memorial Day. 6. Thanksgiving -- A nice idea, to be grateful for our blessings, but why should it be a national holiday? And why should many workplaces be closed for two days because of it? 7. Christmas -- Ostensibly a religious holiday, though now it seems mostly a commercial one. Even if we stipulate, however, that it is still in fact a religious holiday, why in a constitutional republic that has both an establishment clause and a free exercise clause are we creating and celebrating a religious holiday on the federal level? Questions: Would the number of personal leave days be increased by the number of federal holidays eliminated? Or would Americans just work more days? I think there is a benefit to a reasonable amount of time off from work. Here is a link to a site that indicates US workers already work more hours annually than countries similar to ours. I question whether we should increase work hours. I think there are benefits to having collective days off for a large percentage of the population. One example is that students and parents have the same days off so child care isn't an issue while quality time is shared. In this, and other situations, it is beneficial that work stops for all and is then picked up again where it was left. Making individual arrangements to cover individual schedules is more difficult. The arguments about having any of the specific days with their specific justifications is great fun. 👍 But bottom line for me is having collective days off is a net positive. I'm going to bring up a point that many forget. Not only has labor participation continued to drop in this country, the number of FT positions has been steadily dropping substituted with PT, per diem, and even contract work. Most of those people won't get personal days, some won't even qualify for holiday pay, holidays off, PTO, etc. the first year you are at a company. Employment as a whole in this country is far more unstable than it has ever been. I've been laid off three times now, due to business mergers, business failing, etc. Plus as pointed out some collective days help families and society in general. Since I live in NJ, and the NJ shore is a huge revenue generator - Memorial Day and Labor Day are seen to bookend the season. June 21st is the actual summer solstice, however channel 12 is already working their way up the shore reviewing 10 beaches. Thanksgiving and Christmas are big family or gathering days for those who have family to gather. It sucks if you don't, but I have hung with friends families on TG, and it was nice to eat good food and be social.
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Post by teen persuasion on Jun 19, 2021 14:12:33 GMT -5
Questions: Would the number of personal leave days be increased by the number of federal holidays eliminated? Or would Americans just work more days? I think there is a benefit to a reasonable amount of time off from work. Here is a link to a site that indicates US workers already work more hours annually than countries similar to ours. I question whether we should increase work hours. I think there are benefits to having collective days off for a large percentage of the population. One example is that students and parents have the same days off so child care isn't an issue while quality time is shared. In this, and other situations, it is beneficial that work stops for all and is then picked up again where it was left. Making individual arrangements to cover individual schedules is more difficult. The arguments about having any of the specific days with their specific justifications is great fun. 👍 But bottom line for me is having collective days off is a net positive. I'm going to bring up a point that many forget. Not only has labor participation continued to drop in this country, the number of FT positions has been steadily dropping substituted with PT, per diem, and even contract work. Most of those people won't get personal days, some won't even qualify for holiday pay, holidays off, PTO, etc. the first year you are at a company. Employment as a whole in this country is far more unstable than it has ever been. I've been laid off three times now, due to business mergers, business failing, etc. Plus as pointed out some collective days help families and society in general. Since I live in NJ, and the NJ shore is a huge revenue generator - Memorial Day and Labor Day are seen to bookend the season. June 21st is the actual summer solstice, however channel 12 is already working their way up the shore reviewing 10 beaches. Thanksgiving and Christmas are big family or gathering days for those who have family to gather. It sucks if you don't, but I have hung with friends families on TG, and it was nice to eat good food and be social. << Most of those people won't get personal days, some won't even qualify for holiday pay, holidays off, PTO, etc. the first year you are at a company. >> Or ever qualify. I'm part time. If I don't work, I don't get paid, period. So federal holidays mean a day off w/o pay. If we close early the night before a holiday (TG, Xmas, NY) I might lose 2 days pay if it coincides with my evening shifts. Juneteenth is traditionally celebrated on the nearest Friday, so I shouldn't lose any more pay with this new holiday - the library is closed on Fridays.
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Post by sesfw on Jun 19, 2021 15:33:16 GMT -5
When I was a student at DeVry my lab partner was a late 30s man who happened to be black. He had a beautiful wife who was pg and was a white lady.
We talked about MLK day and I told him I resented the fact that I lost a day of school to the closing for the holiday. Naturally he got his feathers ruffled until I explained my position. This country had no other 'closing' holidays for an individual person with the exception of Jesus Christ, and I didn't put MLK on the same footing as Jesus.
It's nice to have 3 day weekends. Right now I'm a part-timer so don't get holiday pay, and working in manufacturing things get scheduled around the days off. Out of 12 months. nine have the holidays.
Jan ...... NY day and MLK Feb ..... Prez day March ........ ? April ...... Good Friday - not sure if this is a nat'l holiday or if individual companies take the option May ...... Memorial Day June ..... now Juneteenth July ..... 4th August ........ ? Sept .... Labor Day Oct ........ ? Nov ........ Thanksgiving weekend Dec ........ Christmas
Did I miss any 'closing' holiday?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 19, 2021 15:41:15 GMT -5
When I was a student at DeVry my lab partner was a late 30s man who happened to be black. He had a beautiful wife who was pg and was a white lady. We talked about MLK day and I told him I resented the fact that I lost a day of school to the closing for the holiday. Naturally he got his feathers ruffled until I explained my position. This country had no other 'closing' holidays for an individual person with the exception of Jesus Christ, and I didn't put MLK on the same footing as Jesus.It's nice to have 3 day weekends. Right now I'm a part-timer so don't get holiday pay, and working in manufacturing things get scheduled around the days off. Out of 12 months. nine have the holidays. Jan ...... NY day and MLK Feb ..... Prez day March ........ ? April ...... Good Friday - not sure if this is a nat'l holiday or if individual companies take the option May ...... Memorial Day June ..... now Juneteenth July ..... 4th August ........ ? Sept .... Labor Day Oct ........ ? Nov ........ Thanksgiving weekend Dec ........ Christmas Did I miss any 'closing' holiday? I don't either. But Christmas has taken on enough other meaning to where I think it is okay to keep it a United States holiday.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 17:14:22 GMT -5
I’ve been trying to sort out my feelings about this new holiday. Have we made any real progress dealing with any of the real life and death and pursuit of happiness issues that we’ve been talking about lately? I’m not too thrilled with my nation’s government or many of my fellow citizens right now, so I’m not so quick accept things like this at face value any more. Is it just a thrown bone in an attempt to pacify and distract from the push to resolve the real issues?
I’m not mad about making Juneteenth a federal holiday since it makes more people aware of a part of this country’s history that maybe they didn’t know about before. But real change in our justice system, law enforcement, accountability, and how we treat each other in this country would mean a lot more to me. So, whatever.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 19, 2021 17:32:24 GMT -5
I think Holidays that just about everyone in the US gets off of work - are wonderful things.
I'm biased. In the past - I've had issues with management (and therefore my employer) putting a lot of "hoops" to jump thru in order to schedule a personal day or to take a sick day. I don't really want to have to compete with my coworkers for getting Christmas Day off - we already duke it out to get Christmas Eve or the Day after Christmas off. My employer wants "coverage" for any and all 'business days'.
There's also the issue when I take a day off - but it's a regular business day for my employer. When I return to the office I have TWO days worth of work to do. When the office is "off" because of a national holiday - there is no "catch up" work to be done.
I'm guessing anyone who is Pro Business is all for No National Holidays as it means more work days.
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Post by Tiny on Jun 19, 2021 17:48:38 GMT -5
We talked about MLK day and I told him I resented the fact that I lost a day of school to the closing for the holiday. How did you loose a day of school? Most schools are required to give students X hours or days or whatever... Did you loose days of school for Thanksgiving Break? What you lost was a day of "break" or "summer vacation" - you didn't loose a day of school. If your instructor assigned homework for the long weekend - did you refrain from doing it on MLK day?? Maybe it's a DeVry thing - my college instructors loaded us up with homework or projects or scheduled a Big Test for the next class meeting after any sort of "break" or long weekend. I absolutely HATED Thanksgiving Break back in College - it was 4 days of either working on some project or paper or cramming for important tests on the Monday following... I took the long path to a BA degree - night school - so I was taking classes for more than 4 years and spent many a "holiday" working on school work.
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Post by steff on Jun 19, 2021 19:35:08 GMT -5
It would be interesting to have Congress "de-certify" some of those holidays and see how organizations and individuals respond. How would a manufacturing facility deal with a December 25th that 80% of their work force request the day off? Would the 20% be forced to take the day off? Would they work? How would it work if there were few if any supervisory staff not requesting it off? in my husband's line of work (commercial food production) they work the majority of holidays. He's been on both sides too. Working on the production line & moving up to management/supervisory staff. He's had to work overnight on Thanksgiving. The day shifts had it off but the night shift did "start up" on production for the next day. We didn't spend a New Years Eve together for 10+ years. Same for 4th of July, Easter, Xmas Eve, etc. Food production doesn't stop. It's 24/7 with the only breaks in production being for cleaning/resetting of equipment.
People who call out on those days are risking their jobs. They have done mass suspensions and/or firings on people who call out on working holidays. People are pissed about having to work, but they show up or don't have a job when they come back. Now, with that said, they DO receive holiday pay AND paid time off on another day (must be requested & approved thru management). It wasn't until about 5 years ago that they finally stopped dragging night shift people in on Christmas Eve, but the night shift still gets screwed over on Christmas Day (night). Generally, my hubby doesn't get home until 7-9 pm on Christmas Eve because he has to cover "shut down" for the day. When he worked nights, he was part of the come in for start up crew. He's missed Thanksgiving dinners, missed Christmas Eve gatherings. The week leading up to the 4th of July & the week after are considered "hell weeks" (think hotdog & hamburger bun production before cook out holidays & trying to restock those products after those holidays) Overtime is thru the roof.
Only once in the 21 years he's worked at his plant did it shut down completely for any length of time. That was when they were putting in 2 entire new production lines with ovens, conveyor belts, mixers, etc. They were closed for 10 days. Hourly folks were fucked pay wise unless they had vacation time built up. Salary folks were covered.
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Post by Opti on Jun 19, 2021 19:44:08 GMT -5
When I was a student at DeVry my lab partner was a late 30s man who happened to be black. He had a beautiful wife who was pg and was a white lady. We talked about MLK day and I told him I resented the fact that I lost a day of school to the closing for the holiday. Naturally he got his feathers ruffled until I explained my position. This country had no other 'closing' holidays for an individual person with the exception of Jesus Christ, and I didn't put MLK on the same footing as Jesus.It's nice to have 3 day weekends. Right now I'm a part-timer so don't get holiday pay, and working in manufacturing things get scheduled around the days off. Out of 12 months. nine have the holidays. Jan ...... NY day and MLK Feb ..... Prez day March ........ ? April ...... Good Friday - not sure if this is a nat'l holiday or if individual companies take the option May ...... Memorial Day June ..... now Juneteenth July ..... 4th August ........ ? Sept .... Labor Day Oct ........ ? Nov ........ Thanksgiving weekend Dec ........ Christmas Did I miss any 'closing' holiday? I don't either. But Christmas has taken on enough other meaning to where I think it is okay to keep it a United States holiday. I think Christmas has become almost a purely secular holiday. Sure many folks go to church then, but the concentration isn't on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day services.
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