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Post by happyhoix on Jun 11, 2021 17:47:48 GMT -5
Actually I minored in biology and biologists divide organisms into domains, kingdoms, phylums, class, order, family, genus and species. Not races. Generally members of the same species are recognized as being able to procreate together and create viable fertile offspring. For example, horses and donkeys are two separate species that can mate and create viable offspring (mules) but mules are never fertile, so those are two different species. All human beings existing right now are Homo sapiens. All existing humans can mate with each other and create viable fertile offspring. The phenotypic characteristics (like skin and hair color) that people identify as ‘race’ are not significant, in terms of genetic coding. Humans want to divide ourselves up by ethnicity, but the that’s hardly any difference at all, biologically. But a different genetic construct all the same. (underlined) Thanks for making the point. You do realize if we all had the exact same DNA we’d be clones, right? Who taught you biology, by the way?
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 11, 2021 18:05:44 GMT -5
I don't know where you have got this from but this is what I have been trying (with little success ) to tell you. Quite a lot of the current trendy thinking which people seem to be going along with because they don't understand what is going on............ is Marxist Critical race theory, cancel culture, impediment to the freedom of speech under the guise of racism, Wokeness. I'm done trying....... but truth will out, eventually. Lol. No, that’s not marxist. I get regular spam from Hillsdale. they are further off sociopolitical center than Karl Marx. I would not put one ounce of faith in ANYTHING they have to say.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 11, 2021 18:49:20 GMT -5
You do realize if we all had the exact same DNA we’d be clones, right? Who taught you biology, by the way? You do realize (place projection here), right? Then question personal knowledge as follow-up. Rookie. Thanks again for making my point on difference. This clone post also. Quite roundabout, but well made none the less. And we got diversion when backed into a corner for the win!!! So predictable.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 11, 2021 20:33:36 GMT -5
i'll take deflection and obfuscation for $200, Alex
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Post by Spellbound454 on Jun 12, 2021 2:12:56 GMT -5
I'll take your word for that.... Lets hope it blows over.
There is starting to be a backlash here...... People are cottoning on with a............ "What the heck is all this shite"
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 12, 2021 7:29:43 GMT -5
So I read the wiki summary about critical race theory en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory“Critical race theory continued to be a contentious topic into 2021, and some criticized conservatives for misusing the term as a catch-all to describe any anti-racism or diversity-related efforts.[64] Conservative scholars claimed that the theory is reductive; that is, it treats race as the only factor in social identity. Some progressives, on the other hand, have questioned the theory's value, asking if is a true move toward equity or just one way of stating the obvious and stalling meaningful action.[15]” The main problem for conservatives seems to be admitting that white privilege exists.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 12, 2021 10:46:00 GMT -5
Back in the late 60's and throughout 70's I can somewhat recall the news stories about Mao's "Cultural Revolution". Best I can remember it was reported as Mao's realizing a socialist revolution and "reeducation" of the masses to his idea of a better society. The population was forced into reeducation camps, schools taught the hard party line and people were executed who did not toe the line. I'm sure there was more to it but that's what sticks in my brain.
Now I'll confess that I don't to know all about this "Critical Race Theory" that I've been hearing about but it sure sounds a lot like Mao's socialist "reeducation" plan.
It’s a theory. Like evolution. Like relativity. When it’s discussed in school, it’s discussed in terms of evidence and support. What supports it. What are the flaws i the supporting evidence. What alternative explanation could account for the evidence. It’s just another social theory to be examined. I can’t believe this is even a question to be honest. A social science theory is not indoctrination. Maos re-education would be more closely matched to Sunday school to be honest. That might be offensive to some and I apologize for that. But critical race isn’t an indoctrination into believing everything it states. It’s just one theory on society. When I was in grad school, just graduated in 2018 so pretty current, critical race theory was covered in a couple of classes of mine. We read a number of articles about it, discussed it and I think in both classes we spent a week or only part of a week on it. It looks at systemic racism as being omnipresenent but that’s about all I remember. These were required breadth courses not aligned with major or anything like that, so while interesting I wasn’t trying to retain a lot for long term career stuff. That is how a lot of education is, even at the highest levels: in one ear and out the other. For better students like myself, in one ear retained while needed and slowly fade as not used. Perhaps an unintended consequence of this truly bizarre crusade against critical race theory is vastly elevating it. It is going to be needed to be included in many more curricular just because it’s become so topical.
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Post by Rukh O'Rorke on Jun 12, 2021 10:51:37 GMT -5
About Marxism. It has a lot of theory behind it, and is taught and discussed intellectually in classrooms in many social science programs.
I fear a lot of people don’t understand what education is. Instead, they are trying to promote a curriculum that will produce people who think exactly like they do and seek to censure anything that doesn’t align. So what’s more similar to Maos re-education program?
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 12, 2021 11:28:05 GMT -5
Once had a professor explain that he wasn't an instructor nor a teacher, that he was a professor. He had spent a lot of time studying (in his case) international relations and it was his job to profess what he had taken away from that experience. It was our job to listen, understand, and then question what he had to offer. He laughingly told us he did his job very well and wished we would do our job better.
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Critical race theory is a lucrative obsession for Republicans because the party is 'offended by the political focus on racism and racial justice'Republicans across the US are waging an escalating culture war against critical race theory, an academic concept or framework centered on systemic racism and its effects across American society. What is critical race theory?Critical race theorists look at how America's history of racism and discrimination continues to impact the country today. "Critical race theory is a practice. It's an approach to grappling with a history of White supremacy that rejects the belief that what's in the past is in the past, and that the laws and systems that grow from that past are detached from it," said Kimberlé Crenshaw, a founding critical race theorist and a law professor at UCLA and Columbia University, told CNN last year. Why is the GOP turning it into an issue?The GOP campaign against critical race theory, which distorts the concept, is linked to a broader effort to stifle or invalidate conversations on the pervasiveness of racism in the US in relation to its history, experts say. Republicans have launched similar attacks on the Black Lives Matter movement and the 1619 project in that regard. "The base of the Republican Party is offended by the political focus on racism and racial justice that has been apparent for several years now, but especially since the George Floyd murder," Andrew Hartman, a history professor at Illinois State University and author of "A War for the Soul of America: A History of the Culture Wars," told Insider. "So, GOP politicians and conservative media obsess over the issue to gin up outrage that might translate into future votes, but in the meantime definitely translates into donations and ratings." Jelani Cobb, a staff writer at the New Yorker, historian, and professor at Columbia Journalism School, in a recent tweet said that the "attacks on critical race theory are clearly an attempt to discredit the literature millions of people sought out last year to understand how George Floyd wound up dead on a street corner." "The goal is to leave the next dead Black person inexplicable by history," Cobb added. Complete article here: link
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I fear a lot of people don’t understand what education is.
In this theme... there are two kinds of education One is: "here is the question and here is the answer - learn the answer and you are good to go!"
My Catholic upbringing was like that. For any religious question there was an answer that WAS the answer - there was no debate or other possible answers. If you happened to run into something in real life that didn't fit the accepted religious answer - that something was wrong or maybe could be ignored or became an SEP (Somebody Else's Problem - don't look at it! if you look at it it's YOUR problem). You are expected to apply the knowledge gained from the education to EVERYTHING in life. It covers ALL situations/questions.
And then there's the other kind of education (where theory and facts are discussed and sometimes the theory or facts change as more knowledge is discovered and verified. It's messy and sometimes complicated and it sometimes changes over time.
I think the issue is people who try to make the world and all circumstances (pegs of various shapes and sizes) fit into a the religious education method (a fixed round hole that cannot be changed) that problems happen. Some everyday pegs fit very nicely into the Religious fixed size round hole - there are plenty of various shaped pegs that are small enough to fit the fixed sized round hole. But when it comes to pegs that don't fit: if the wrong sized peg can not be changed to fit into that fixed sized round hole of Religion - then they are considered wrong or evil or bad. There is no compromise there is no changing the fixed size round hole. Only the pegs can be changed to fit. When a peg fits - it's right and good and what God wants. The God Standard.
The other option is to have lots of pegs and holes that can be changed in size/shape OR the ability to choose a different hole for any given peg. (and that is something religion doesn't allow).
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 12, 2021 21:01:32 GMT -5
Back in the late 60's and throughout 70's I can somewhat recall the news stories about Mao's "Cultural Revolution". Best I can remember it was reported as Mao's realizing a socialist revolution and "reeducation" of the masses to his idea of a better society. The population was forced into reeducation camps, schools taught the hard party line and people were executed who did not toe the line. I'm sure there was more to it but that's what sticks in my brain.
Now I'll confess that I don't to know all about this "Critical Race Theory" that I've been hearing about but it sure sounds a lot like Mao's socialist "reeducation" plan.
It’s a theory. Like evolution. Like relativity. When it’s discussed in school, it’s discussed in terms of evidence and support. What supports it. What are the flaws i the supporting evidence. What alternative explanation could account for the evidence. It’s just another social theory to be examined. I can’t believe this is even a question to be honest. A social science theory is not indoctrination.Maos re-education would be more closely matched to Sunday school to be honest. That might be offensive to some and I apologize for that. But critical race isn’t an indoctrination into believing everything it states. It’s just one theory on society. When I was in grad school, just graduated in 2018 so pretty current, critical race theory was covered in a couple of classes of mine. We read a number of articles about it, discussed it and I think in both classes we spent a week or only part of a week on it. It looks at systemic racism as being omnipresenent but that’s about all I remember. These were required breadth courses not aligned with major or anything like that, so while interesting I wasn’t trying to retain a lot for long term career stuff. That is how a lot of education is, even at the highest levels: in one ear and out the other. For better students like myself, in one ear retained while needed and slowly fade as not used. Perhaps an unintended consequence of this truly bizarre crusade against critical race theory is vastly elevating it. It is going to be needed to be included in many more curricular just because it’s become so topical. Rukh got it exactly right. critical race theory is not indoctrination, it is precisely the opposite. it is an affront to indoctrination. the indoctrination every white person, particularly Christian males, get from the day they are born in the US until the day they die.
ignoring, undermining, and suppressing these confrontations doesn't make us better. it shows how weak we really are.
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Post by Opti on Jun 12, 2021 21:24:24 GMT -5
I fear a lot of people don’t understand what education is.In this theme... there are two kinds of education One is: "here is the question and here is the answer - learn the answer and you are good to go!" My Catholic upbringing was like that. For any religious question there was an answer that WAS the answer - there was no debate or other possible answers. If you happened to run into something in real life that didn't fit the accepted religious answer - that something was wrong or maybe could be ignored or became an SEP (Somebody Else's Problem - don't look at it! if you look at it it's YOUR problem). You are expected to apply the knowledge gained from the education to EVERYTHING in life. It covers ALL situations/questions. And then there's the other kind of education (where theory and facts are discussed and sometimes the theory or facts change as more knowledge is discovered and verified. It's messy and sometimes complicated and it sometimes changes over time. I think the issue is people who try to make the world and all circumstances (pegs of various shapes and sizes) fit into a the religious education method (a fixed round hole that cannot be changed) that problems happen. Some everyday pegs fit very nicely into the Religious fixed size round hole - there are plenty of various shaped pegs that are small enough to fit the fixed sized round hole. But when it comes to pegs that don't fit: if the wrong sized peg can not be changed to fit into that fixed sized round hole of Religion - then they are considered wrong or evil or bad. There is no compromise there is no changing the fixed size round hole. Only the pegs can be changed to fit. When a peg fits - it's right and good and what God wants. The God Standard. The other option is to have lots of pegs and holes that can be changed in size/shape OR the ability to choose a different hole for any given peg. (and that is something religion doesn't allow). I agree people think there are two kinds of education. I do not agree that the first one is actually education, and firmly disagree it is solely a religious education method. Option one is not something I experienced in my Lutheran education or taking Science of Mind classes. My college engineering program prides itself on not only guiding you on current thought, but teaching and reminding its engineers all things change. I had more than a few tests that started with changing some of the normal assumptions we were taught about magnetic theory, how chips work, etc. and expected us to solve problems within the time of a test to something reasonable.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 12, 2021 21:37:49 GMT -5
And we got diversion when backed into a corner for the win!!! So predictable. Yes, you do seem to be off topic. Have any more ways to make my point that there are genetic differences between races ? Still insisting that a 0.1% difference is meaningful I see. There is as much variability amongst individuals in the same race as there is between races. As to your silly assertion that because individuals do not have the same dna, see the theory of evolution
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Still insisting that a 0.1% difference is meaningful I see. There is as much variability amongst individuals in the same race as there is between races. As to your silly assertion that because individuals do not have the same dna, see the theory of evolution The only one who has said it was meaningful or not was you. So how can I be insisting ? Silly assertion indeed. See my reply #2 then #21. Naughty, naughty diverting to variability when its commonality that's present in various races. Just the flip side of commonality. Too difficult for an engineer to understand the nuance of biology, I see
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 12, 2021 22:07:40 GMT -5
Just the flip side of commonality. Too difficult for an engineer to understand the nuance of biology, I see Yeah, that's it, 'doc'. It's too difficult...so why do you keep reverting to making my point about differences, as 'variability' this time ? Nuance indeed. Might be time to actually read what I posted in reply #2. Why bother. You play the same game. Trying to prove you are smarter than everyone else, parse words, deflect, obfuscate, and add nothing to the discussion. You are smart enough to know this information about genetics. You understand dna. But you continue with your nonsense. Good night. Time for bed
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Quote; Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s, built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism. Relegated for many years to universities and obscure academic journals, over the past decade it has increasingly become the default ideology in our public institutions. It has been injected into government agencies, public school systems, teacher training programs, and corporate human resources departments in the form of diversity training programs, human resources modules, public policy frameworks, and school curricula.
There are a series of euphemisms deployed by its supporters to describe critical race theory, including “equity,” “social justice,” “diversity and inclusion,” and “culturally responsive teaching.” Critical race theorists, masters of language construction, realize that “neo-Marxism” would be a hard sell. Equity, on the other hand, sounds non-threatening and is easily confused with the American principle of equality. But the distinction is vast and important. Indeed, equality—the principle proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence, defended in the Civil War, and codified into law with the 14th and 15th Amendments, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965—is explicitly rejected by critical race theorists. To them, equality represents “mere nondiscrimination” and provides “camouflage” for white supremacy, patriarchy, and oppression.
In contrast to equality, equity as defined and promoted by critical race theorists is little more than reformulated Marxism. In the name of equity, UCLA Law Professor and critical race theorist Cheryl Harris has proposed suspending private property rights, seizing land and wealth and redistributing them along racial lines. Critical race guru Ibram X. Kendi, who directs the Center for Antiracist Research at Boston University, has proposed the creation of a federal Department of Antiracism. This department would be independent of (i.e., unaccountable to) the elected branches of government, and would have the power to nullify, veto, or abolish any law at any level of government and curtail the speech of political leaders and others who are deemed insufficiently “antiracist.” imprimis.hillsdale.edu/critical-race-theory-fight/I don't know where you have got this from but this is what I have been trying (with little success ) to tell you. Quite a lot of the current trendy thinking which people seem to be going along with because they don't understand what is going on............ is Marxist Critical race theory, cancel culture, impediment to the freedom of speech under the guise of racism, Wokeness. I'm done trying....... but truth will out, eventually.
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Quote; Critical race theory is an academic discipline, formulated in the 1990s, built on the intellectual framework of identity-based Marxism. Relegated for many years to universities and obscure academic journals, over the past decade it has increasingly become the default ideology in our public institutions. It has been injected into government agencies, public school systems, teacher training programs, and corporate human resources departments in the form of diversity training programs, human resources modules, public policy frameworks, and school curricula.
There are a series of euphemisms deployed by its supporters to describe critical race theory, including “equity,” “social justice,” “diversity and inclusion,” and “culturally responsive teaching.” Critical race theorists, masters of language construction, realize that “neo-Marxism” would be a hard sell. Equity, on the other hand, sounds non-threatening and is easily confused with the American principle of equality. But the distinction is vast and important. Indeed, equality—the principle proclaimed in the Declaration of Independence, defended in the Civil War, and codified into law with the 14th and 15th Amendments, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965—is explicitly rejected by critical race theorists. To them, equality represents “mere nondiscrimination” and provides “camouflage” for white supremacy, patriarchy, and oppression.
In contrast to equality, equity as defined and promoted by critical race theorists is little more than reformulated Marxism. In the name of equity, UCLA Law Professor and critical race theorist Cheryl Harris has proposed suspending private property rights, seizing land and wealth and redistributing them along racial lines. Critical race guru Ibram X. Kendi, who directs the Center for Antiracist Research at Boston University, has proposed the creation of a federal Department of Antiracism. This department would be independent of (i.e., unaccountable to) the elected branches of government, and would have the power to nullify, veto, or abolish any law at any level of government and curtail the speech of political leaders and others who are deemed insufficiently “antiracist.” imprimis.hillsdale.edu/critical-race-theory-fight/I don't know where you have got this from but this is what I have been trying (with little success ) to tell you. Quite a lot of the current trendy thinking which people seem to be going along with because they don't understand what is going on............ is Marxist Critical race theory, cancel culture, impediment to the freedom of speech under the guise of racism, Wokeness. I'm done trying....... but truth will out, eventually. Thank you Diogenes. That explains a lot. I just don't want my 2 young granddaughters being being taught in school that they are the the reason for minorities not being successful and having to apologize for for it. I want them to be taught all races are equal. I saw a video clip of a school board meeting with a 70yr old Chinese woman telling about growing up in China and comparing CRT to the indoctrination they had to go through.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 12, 2021 23:25:11 GMT -5
I don't know where you have got this from but this is what I have been trying (with little success ) to tell you. Quite a lot of the current trendy thinking which people seem to be going along with because they don't understand what is going on............ is Marxist Critical race theory, cancel culture, impediment to the freedom of speech under the guise of racism, Wokeness. I'm done trying....... but truth will out, eventually. Thank you Diogenes. That explains a lot. I just don't want my 2 young granddaughters being being taught in school that they are the the reason for minorities not being successful and having to apologize for for it. I want them to be taught all races are equal. I saw a video clip of a school board meeting with a 70yr old Chinese woman telling about growing up in China and comparing CRT to the indoctrination they had to go through. you don't want them to be taught to examine that possibility? candidly, I see no harm in that. it will help them understand how lucky they are, and to empathize with the plight of disadvantaged people.
I sent my son to a 90%+ minority school. why? because he needs to understand how lucky he is. and he does. he respects it immensely. he values every opportunity he gets.
don't you want that for your grandkids? I think that is rather odd.
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Post by dondub on Jun 13, 2021 0:15:43 GMT -5
CRT is just another playground for overreactive whiteyrighties to freak out about. Poor babies have been so privileged and now they will have to share just everything with the others. Boo hoo.
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I don't know where you have got this from but this is what I have been trying (with little success ) to tell you. Quite a lot of the current trendy thinking which people seem to be going along with because they don't understand what is going on............ is Marxist Critical race theory, cancel culture, impediment to the freedom of speech under the guise of racism, Wokeness. I'm done trying....... but truth will out, eventually. Thank you Diogenes. That explains a lot. I just don't want my 2 young granddaughters being being taught in school that they are the the reason for minorities not being successful and having to apologize for for it. I want them to be taught all races are equal. I saw a video clip of a school board meeting with a 70yr old Chinese woman telling about growing up in China and comparing CRT to the indoctrination they had to go through. Was it a school board in America? If so, what was a Chinese woman doing at the meeting? Okay, my guess is that she immigrated to this country from China and as such is now a 70yr old American, at least to some of us. For others she will always be Chinese.
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Post by Opti on Jun 13, 2021 3:28:08 GMT -5
Thank you Diogenes. That explains a lot. I just don't want my 2 young granddaughters being being taught in school that they are the the reason for minorities not being successful and having to apologize for for it. I want them to be taught all races are equal. I saw a video clip of a school board meeting with a 70yr old Chinese woman telling about growing up in China and comparing CRT to the indoctrination they had to go through. Was it a school board in America? If so, what was a Chinese woman doing at the meeting? Okay, my guess is that she immigrated to this country from China and as such is now a 70yr old American, at least to some of us. For others she will always be Chinese. So allegedly one person said this, and its making the rounds in RW circles because they want to believe that's true? Sounds usual. I'm 61. I don't remember much about the Mao's cultural revolution. Mao launched the cultural revolution in August of 1966. I would have been 6, this person would have been 15. How reliable and accurate are her perceptions of that time? IDK, but I personally don't remember super clearly anything from when I was 15 and I am nine years younger than this alleged individual.
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Post by Opti on Jun 13, 2021 3:31:24 GMT -5
OK, the cultural revolution lasted ten years. Someone does not understand CRT at all, if they are comparing them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_RevolutionThe Cultural Revolution, formally the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, was a violent sociopolitical purge movement in China from 1966 until 1976. Launched by Mao Zedong, Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and founder of the People's Republic of China (PRC), its stated goal was to preserve Chinese communism by purging remnants of capitalist and traditional elements from Chinese society, and to re-impose Mao Zedong Thought (known outside China as Maoism) as the dominant ideology in the PRC. The Revolution marked Mao's return to the central position of power in China after a period of less radical leadership to recover from the failures of the Great Leap Forward, which contributed to the Great Chinese Famine only five years prior.
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Teachers across the country protest laws restricting lessons on racismThe backlash is sparking a backlash of its own. On Saturday, thousands of educators and others gathered virtually and in person at historic locations in more than 20 cities to make clear that they would resist efforts in at least 15 Republican-led states to restrict what teachers can say in class about racism, sexism and oppression in America. Organized by local educators across the country in association with several social justice organizations, the National Day of Action is meant to raise public awareness about the legislation and to send a message that they will not lie to students about the country’s racist past and present. Several thousand teachers have signed a pledge that says: “We, the undersigned educators, refuse to lie to young people about U.S. history and current events — regardless of the law.” Ever since the May 2020 slaying of George Floyd by police in Minneapolis sparked a national social justice protest movement, many public schools have attempted to introduce and expand lessons on the systemic racism that has existed since the nation’s founding. That sparked a backlash among conservatives. Republican-led legislatures are or have already passed legislation (whose wording is remarkably similar or identical, reflecting a coordinated effort) with such restrictions. On Thursday, Florida’s State Board of Education voted to ban the teaching of critical race theory in the state’s public schools. Critical race theory is a decades-old academic framework that holds that racism is systemic, embedded in government policies and laws that are evident in any serious examination of American history. Critics say that racism is the work of individual bad actors, and, they say, teachers are improperly injecting race in the classroom. Teachers say it is impossible not to discuss race in any honest discussion or lesson about American history. Complete article here: link
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billisonboard
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Post by billisonboard on Jun 13, 2021 9:32:08 GMT -5
Was it a school board in America? If so, what was a Chinese woman doing at the meeting? Okay, my guess is that she immigrated to this country from China and as such is now a 70yr old American, at least to some of us. For others she will always be Chinese. So allegedly one person said this, and its making the rounds in RW circles because they want to believe that's true? Sounds usual. I'm 61. I don't remember much about the Mao's cultural revolution. Mao launched the cultural revolution in August of 1966. I would have been 6, this person would have been 15. How reliable and accurate are her perceptions of that time? IDK, but I personally don't remember super clearly anything from when I was 15 and I am nine years younger than this alleged individual. I would go the other direction and question how aware she is of what is being taught currently in American schools.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 13, 2021 10:26:14 GMT -5
I don't know where you have got this from but this is what I have been trying (with little success ) to tell you. Quite a lot of the current trendy thinking which people seem to be going along with because they don't understand what is going on............ is Marxist Critical race theory, cancel culture, impediment to the freedom of speech under the guise of racism, Wokeness. I'm done trying....... but truth will out, eventually. Thank you Diogenes. That explains a lot. I just don't want my 2 young granddaughters being being taught in school that they are the the reason for minorities not being successful and having to apologize for for it. I want them to be taught all races are equal. I saw a video clip of a school board meeting with a 70yr old Chinese woman telling about growing up in China and comparing CRT to the indoctrination they had to go through. Your granddaughters would not be taught that they are responsible for minorities not being successful. Hopefully they will be taught that when our country first started, only white men who owned property could vote, and it took decades and long fights to allow non whites and women to vote. Hopefully they will be taught about the Trail of Tears and the Japanese internment camps. Hopefully they will be taught about Jim Crow. They need to learn ALL our history, warts and all. My MIL grew up in Oklahoma and insists the Tulsa massacre did not happen because it was never mentioned and she was never taught about it in school. She insists it must be fake news. That’s the risk of failing to teach all of our history, not just the history that white people want to hear.
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Post by Opti on Jun 13, 2021 11:30:02 GMT -5
So allegedly one person said this, and its making the rounds in RW circles because they want to believe that's true? Sounds usual. I'm 61. I don't remember much about the Mao's cultural revolution. Mao launched the cultural revolution in August of 1966. I would have been 6, this person would have been 15. How reliable and accurate are her perceptions of that time? IDK, but I personally don't remember super clearly anything from when I was 15 and I am nine years younger than this alleged individual. I would go the other direction and question how aware she is of what is being taught currently in American schools. Agreed, but as we know from long time posting many conservatives will grab on to one instance and act like it explains the world when all it does is give support to their preferred bias. I prefer to know actual reality. RL will not change whether I know it or do not, so I prefer to know what is so I can adjust to it. Others apparently want to stay in their bunkers of mind, and pretend RL does not exist.
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Post by pulmonarymd on Jun 13, 2021 15:54:51 GMT -5
Why bother. You play the same game. Trying to prove you are smarter than everyone else, parse words, deflect, obfuscate, and add nothing to the discussion. You are smart enough to know this information about genetics. You understand dna. But you continue with your nonsense. Good night. Time for bed You play, trying to prove, you are, etc, etc. Did you ever answer some one with a differing opinion without personal attacks ? All's it tells me is you have nothing but your own original mistake of misreading my reply #2, and the clarification in #21. Nuance really has passed you by. Time to run away, or the big bad retired war dog is gonna getcha. Talk about baiting someone. You haven’t ridiculed and personally attacked me over the past few months? Talk about pot and kettle. In the world of biology, a 0.1% difference is minuscule. Sorry that is too difficult for an engineer to get
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Post by Opti on Jun 13, 2021 16:01:49 GMT -5
You play, trying to prove, you are, etc, etc. Did you ever answer some one with a differing opinion without personal attacks ? All's it tells me is you have nothing but your own original mistake of misreading my reply #2, and the clarification in #21. Nuance really has passed you by. Time to run away, or the big bad retired war dog is gonna getcha. Talk about baiting someone. You haven’t ridiculed and personally attacked me over the past few months? Talk about pot and kettle. In the world of biology, a 0.1% difference is minuscule. Sorry that is too difficult for an engineer to getPlease do not do the conservative thing of seeing one example and widening it to a whole class of people. There are several engineers who get it just fine, in addition to me. Thanks in advance.
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ripvanwinkle
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 13, 2021 17:56:02 GMT -5
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