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Post by dondub on Jun 13, 2021 21:07:57 GMT -5
Excellent rip. I’m proud of you!
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 13, 2021 22:19:16 GMT -5
“Just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."
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Post by Opti on Jun 14, 2021 6:07:25 GMT -5
Excellent rip. I’m proud of you! There is nothing wrong with being a social justice warrior, though I doubt there is a requirement to be one. Why do some people ASSume that just because it is taught America is not perfect, like all other countries, this translates to teaching their kids to loathe America in their minds? I think they are idiots, but I have learned if you are wired with a conservative mindset, some things you tend not to see clearly. Things and countries do not need to be perfect to be loved or respected. But it is OK IMO to teach what bad things happen and how to guard against them in the future. This is not like then. Yes, some history related to keeping slaves and treating them badly is being let go. But that's a good thing. If a reformed wife beater manages to repair his family relationships, IMO you celebrate who he is now. You don't wax on about the good ole days when he was drunk, irresponsible and beat his wife and kids. America did not do the right thing in part of history, but we can move forward so we are doing the right thing now. I don't get why that's so threatening and upsetting. (As someone blessed to be wired with a liberal mind, I have always worked on being better each day and improving. So letting go bad habits and thoughts is part of my nature .)
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 15, 2021 17:06:14 GMT -5
An Alabama Republican who is trying to ban critical race theory was stumped when asked to define itBut when asked about the concept by AL.com columnist Kyle Whitmire, Pringle struggled to clearly define it. As part of his definition, he said the practice teaches students "certain children are inherently bad because of the color of their skin." When pressed to name a specific person claiming to teach that, Pringle responded: "Yeah, uh, well - I can assure you - I'll have to read a lot more," he said. "These people, when they were doing the training programs - and the government - if you didn't buy into what they taught you a hundred percent, they sent you away to a reeducation camp," Pringle added without evidence. Complete article here: link
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Post by dondub on Jun 15, 2021 17:22:09 GMT -5
An Alabama Republican who is trying to ban critical race theory was stumped when asked to define itBut when asked about the concept by AL.com columnist Kyle Whitmire, Pringle struggled to clearly define it. As part of his definition, he said the practice teaches students "certain children are inherently bad because of the color of their skin." When pressed to name a specific person claiming to teach that, Pringle responded: "Yeah, uh, well - I can assure you - I'll have to read a lot more," he said. "These people, when they were doing the training programs - and the government - if you didn't buy into what they taught you a hundred percent, they sent you away to a reeducation camp," Pringle added without evidence. Complete article here: link Do we finally get to use those FEMA camps with all the coffins that Alex Jones warned us about many years ago?🤡
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Post by dondub on Jun 15, 2021 17:26:28 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Jun 15, 2021 17:29:20 GMT -5
An Alabama Republican who is trying to ban critical race theory was stumped when asked to define itBut when asked about the concept by AL.com columnist Kyle Whitmire, Pringle struggled to clearly define it. As part of his definition, he said the practice teaches students "certain children are inherently bad because of the color of their skin." When pressed to name a specific person claiming to teach that, Pringle responded: "Yeah, uh, well - I can assure you - I'll have to read a lot more," he said. "These people, when they were doing the training programs - and the government - if you didn't buy into what they taught you a hundred percent, they sent you away to a reeducation camp," Pringle added without evidence. Complete article here: link Do we finally get to use those FEMA camps with all the coffins that Alex Jones warned us about many years ago?🤡 Yup. And any overflow (there are many) are sent to China's Mao re-education camps.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 16, 2021 12:58:38 GMT -5
i keep thinking about the idea of NOT wanting your grandkids to know our history. that is really disturbing to me, for some reason.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 16, 2021 14:44:47 GMT -5
I remember Trump saying how kids needed to learn about how our magnificent (white) founding fathers came to this nation and created the greatest nation on earth. He wants to make a garden of heros with large status of all the important people (and a giant one of himself no doubt) so people can remember what the rich white guys sacrificed to create our nation.
That sounds like indoctrination to me. Propaganda. Don’t talk about the people who came here against their will, or the people who were already here when we arrived. Skip the parts about child labor, women belonging to their fathers or husbands, or the shitty labor conditions that caused outrages like the Triangle shirtwaist factory disaster.
Nope, we’re going to talk about George and the cherry tree and Lincoln and the log cabin and make laws to keep you from talking about anything else.
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Post by ripvanwinkle on Jun 19, 2021 2:12:27 GMT -5
i keep thinking about the idea of NOT wanting your grandkids to know our history. that is really disturbing to me, for some reason. I have no problem teaching history. Just don't put shaming a certain race and they are the reason others are not successful because of it in the curriculum. Now days there are plenty of books from black authors and historians they can read from and draw their own conclusions about history. Everybody can succeed if they work hard and stay out of trouble. My family was poor and didn't take welfare. At 14 I delivered papers at 6 the morning before school and after school. On some weekends I worked at a small store stocking shelves and moping the floors for 75 cents a hour. But looking back now, I guess I sorta had a Leave it to Beaver of sorts young life.
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Post by Opti on Jun 19, 2021 13:13:38 GMT -5
i keep thinking about the idea of NOT wanting your grandkids to know our history. that is really disturbing to me, for some reason. I have no problem teaching history. Just don't put shaming a certain race and they are the reason others are not successful because of it in the curriculum. Now days there are plenty of books from black authors and historians they can read from and draw their own conclusions about history. Everybody can succeed if they work hard and stay out of trouble. My family was poor and didn't take welfare. At 14 I delivered papers at 6 the morning before school and after school. On some weekends I worked at a small store stocking shelves and moping the floors for 75 cents a hour. But looking back now, I guess I sorta had a Leave it to Beaver of sorts young life.
Its disturbing to me you want to see this as a personal affront. Facts are facts. Slaveowners were white and slaves were black. In NJ we also had indentured servants usually from the UK. One of those, got out I think from indentured servitude years after the last slave was set free here. I could be misremembering, I'm sick and there is much history here and homes and places that document it. Today Cape May opened its Harriet Tubman musuem. Looking at reality IMO, does not make anyone less. But choosing to think race relations are all about you and your race, when its 2021, not say 1831, is really creepy.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 19, 2021 14:08:12 GMT -5
i keep thinking about the idea of NOT wanting your grandkids to know our history. that is really disturbing to me, for some reason. I have no problem teaching history. Just don't put shaming a certain race and they are the reason others are not successful because of it in the curriculum. Now days there are plenty of books from black authors and historians they can read from and draw their own conclusions about history. Everybody can succeed if they work hard and stay out of trouble. My family was poor and didn't take welfare. At 14 I delivered papers at 6 the morning before school and after school. On some weekends I worked at a small store stocking shelves and moping the floors for 75 cents a hour. But looking back now, I guess I sorta had a Leave it to Beaver of sorts young life.
race shaming? never heard that term.
I don't feel ashamed of my race because my ancestors lived in a society that materially supported slavery. I had nothing to do with that.
what it DOES do for me is to appreciate the problems we find ourselves in today in terms of race relations, and it helps me empathize with the plight of black people.
whether people can succeed or not is not actually the point. the point is whether or not people are handicapped (or advantaged) insodoing.
when you worked for 75 cents an hour, I am betting you could go to a movie and buy a coke and popcorn for that 75 cents. you had it good.
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Post by Opti on Jun 19, 2021 15:56:16 GMT -5
I have no problem teaching history. Just don't put shaming a certain race and they are the reason others are not successful because of it in the curriculum. Now days there are plenty of books from black authors and historians they can read from and draw their own conclusions about history. Everybody can succeed if they work hard and stay out of trouble. My family was poor and didn't take welfare. At 14 I delivered papers at 6 the morning before school and after school. On some weekends I worked at a small store stocking shelves and moping the floors for 75 cents a hour. But looking back now, I guess I sorta had a Leave it to Beaver of sorts young life.
race shaming? never heard that term.
I don't feel ashamed of my race because my ancestors lived in a society that materially supported slavery. I had nothing to do with that.
what it DOES do for me is to appreciate the problems we find ourselves in today in terms of race relations, and it helps me empathize with the plight of black people.
whether people can succeed or not is not actually the point. the point is whether or not people are handicapped (or advantaged) insodoing.
when you worked for 75 cents an hour, I am betting you could go to a movie and buy a coke and popcorn for that 75 cents. you had it good.
I think its easy to compare your old life with now and think they are comparable. Me and a longtime friend growing up lived mostly as free range children. I do not now how poor his Dad was, he hitched rides on trains at age 14. It would be harder to pull such things off in this country now. Also my Mom and her siblings had to milk cows before going to school. I don't live on a farm. My Mom has been dead for a few years. My life wasn't like her life because I was born in 1960, not when she was. It is 2021 and life is different in many different areas. Advantages and disadvantages are uneven. But it is good to look at systemic discrimination whatever the type is. And Rip, I've done some reading. I find it frustrating that sometimes people, usually conservatives, don't realize that it is those born poor who usually have more motivation to succeed than other initial economic circumstances.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jun 21, 2021 7:41:50 GMT -5
So have the people here comparing Critical Race Theory to the rise of communism actually bothered to educate themselves on it? Or are you only listening to Fox News, Republican senators and other right wing extreme conservative sources?
Because I've been reading up on it and while I cannot propose I am an expert on it I am certainly not getting the impression that it expects me to apologize and be ashamed for being white. It is being expected to recognize that our systems are set up to benefit the winners in society which have through the past 500+ years been white men. Instead of hiding behind and rabidly protecting the privilege I get for something that as you are all continously pointing out I "cannot help" I need to use my voice to lift those up who don't share my innate advantages. Helping others for the benefit of society does not mean that I somehow get less or I am being punished. It's called being a decent fellow human being that shares an entire planet with other people.
If you are getting outraged, butt hurt, offended and pissy about Critical Race Theory maybe take a moment to realize that YOU are the target audience. Examine your uncomfortableness rather than viciously fight back and maybe you'll learn something.
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Post by dondub on Jun 21, 2021 10:53:10 GMT -5
So have the people here comparing Critical Race Theory to the rise of communism actually bothered to educate themselves on it? Or are you only listening to Fox News, Republican senators and other right wing extreme conservative sources? Because I've been reading up on it and while I cannot propose I am an expert on it I am certainly not getting the impression that it expects me to apologize and be ashamed for being white. It is being expected to recognize that our systems are set up to benefit the winners in society which have through the past 500+ years been white men. Instead of hiding behind and rabidly protecting the privilege I get for something that as you are all continously pointing out I "cannot help" I need to use my voice to lift those up who don't share my innate advantages. Helping others for the benefit of society does not mean that I somehow get less or I am being punished. It's called being a decent fellow human being that shares an entire planet with other people. If you are getting outraged, butt hurt, offended and pissy about Critical Race Theory maybe take a moment to realize that YOU are the target audience. Examine your uncomfortableness rather than viciously fight back and maybe you'll learn something. 👍🏻
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