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Post by Lizard Queen on May 20, 2021 16:30:58 GMT -5
I think the pendulum has so far and long on the side of pure dog-eat-dog capitalism, that naturally the push going the opposite way is going to be stronger than normal. As a moderate, I am perfectly fine with that because the balance has been so out of whack for so long, it needs to go farther in the other direction in order to balance things out.
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Post by sesfw on May 20, 2021 16:51:06 GMT -5
In reading these last two comments, I'm wondering if these higher educated people would do better in job search if they sorta 'forgot' things on their resume. At least they could get in the door of a company they are interested in and work their way up from there.
I know this tactic worked many, many years ago but don't know about now.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 17:32:43 GMT -5
Managers have a bias against well educated workers when it comes to low paying jobs. On the whole, they would rather hire someone they feels belongs at McD's than someone who lost a good job. People who have experience in fast food are going to get interviewed over an unemployed chef, high end restaurant server, or travel agent. Yet some posters believe (without proof) the reason these people might be still unemployed is they won't look for lower paid work, totally ignoring the fact they might not be able to be hired for lower paid work. Yep- "Over-qualified". That gets applied to a lot of older workers, too. DH got his first job out of college (he didn't complete college- dropped out because going to school during the day and working as a night watchman was killing him) by "forgetting" to put his college experience on his job application. That was the 1960s but some things don't seem to change.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 17:33:42 GMT -5
There are plenty of posters here with humanities degrees or no degree at all that support themselves just fine. I think the people who migrate towards money boards are those that figured out how to use humanities degrees. For you, it was law school. I know several people in real life that had no plan and no carry through on their degrees. I do not think it is a bad thing to tell kids to have a plan for their degree and not just to get a degree for the sake of getting a degree. Maybe we would have less people whining about the taxpayers paying off their student loans if we did When I stopped to think, I realized that yes, most of you are college educated. I’m not, yet here I am. I feel special now.
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Post by NoNamePerson on May 20, 2021 20:11:29 GMT -5
I think the people who migrate towards money boards are those that figured out how to use humanities degrees. For you, it was law school. I know several people in real life that had no plan and no carry through on their degrees. I do not think it is a bad thing to tell kids to have a plan for their degree and not just to get a degree for the sake of getting a degree. Maybe we would have less people whining about the taxpayers paying off their student loans if we did When I stopped to think, I realized that yes, most of you are college educated. I’m not, yet here I am. I feel special now. I’ve done everything wrong according to most here from coke vs soda, stay at home vs working mom, job hoping, college drop out, son college drop out (he owns his own business) actually been without health care for a period of time. (Gasp) driven clunkers and brand new cars! I could go on but who gives a rats ass! I’m happy and so far healthy! But my closest friends wonder how I turned out pretty normal given my bizarre background/childhood! I just tell them I chose to focus on the good!
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Post by thyme4change on May 20, 2021 20:23:20 GMT -5
Managers have a bias against well educated workers when it comes to low paying jobs. On the whole, they would rather hire someone they feels belongs at McD's than someone who lost a good job. People who have experience in fast food are going to get interviewed over an unemployed chef, high end restaurant server, or travel agent. Yet some posters believe (without proof) the reason these people might be still unemployed is they won't look for lower paid work, totally ignoring the fact they might not be able to be hired for lower paid work. Yep- "Over-qualified". That gets applied to a lot of older workers, too. DH got his first job out of college (he didn't complete college- dropped out because going to school during the day and working as a night watchman was killing him) by "forgetting" to put his college experience on his job application. That was the 1960s but some things don't seem to change. I can kinda understand not wanting someone over qualified. I hired someone over qualified and after 90 days, she went to my boss and asked for a promotion and to be moved out from under me. She was internal, so we rewrote the whole job to suit her, and I will never do that again.
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Post by Opti on May 20, 2021 20:41:33 GMT -5
Yep- "Over-qualified". That gets applied to a lot of older workers, too. DH got his first job out of college (he didn't complete college- dropped out because going to school during the day and working as a night watchman was killing him) by "forgetting" to put his college experience on his job application. That was the 1960s but some things don't seem to change. I can kinda understand not wanting someone over qualified. I hired someone over qualified and after 90 days, she went to my boss and asked for a promotion and to be moved out from under me. She was internal, so we rewrote the whole job to suit her, and I will never do that again. Did she get the promotion and move she asked for? I have a somewhat opposite story. My boss and I think the current administrator once hired a Per Diem that on paper was over-qualified as she listed being a Unit secretary on her resume. I think she lied about that and pretty much everything. I'm not sure she even lasted three weeks. She arrived late, left early and sometimes did not show up at all. My boss was going to fire her except I think she resigned via text? before he even had the chance. I spoke to at least two medical professionals who interacted with the location she allegedly worked at for almost twenty years. Neither had ever heard of her.
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Post by thyme4change on May 21, 2021 9:46:13 GMT -5
I can kinda understand not wanting someone over qualified. I hired someone over qualified and after 90 days, she went to my boss and asked for a promotion and to be moved out from under me. She was internal, so we rewrote the whole job to suit her, and I will never do that again. Did she get the promotion and move she asked for? I have a somewhat opposite story. My boss and I think the current administrator once hired a Per Diem that on paper was over-qualified as she listed being a Unit secretary on her resume. I think she lied about that and pretty much everything. I'm not sure she even lasted three weeks. She arrived late, left early and sometimes did not show up at all. My boss was going to fire her except I think she resigned via text? before he even had the chance. I spoke to at least two medical professionals who interacted with the location she allegedly worked at for almost twenty years. Neither had ever heard of her. She was an internal candidate, so we knew she was over qualified and knew her work ethic was too notch. We haven't promoted her yet, but probably will this summer.
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Post by sesfw on May 21, 2021 16:42:59 GMT -5
When I stopped to think, I realized that yes, most of you are college educated. I’m not, yet here I am. I feel special now.
You are very special My education was at DeVry in electronics technology and I earned an AA degree. Started the school at age 50 and had to learn the language of electronics. Went on to a good job calibrating and repairing mercury vapor and hydrogen sulfide analyzers. Now at age almost 80 I'm building touch screens for medical scanners (amongst other things). I've always liked manufacturing ....... the only idiots I've come across are engineers fresh from college. Once they've been working for about 5 years they get some common sense from us lowly techs. Actually I love engineers, they are so much fun.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 21, 2021 18:18:00 GMT -5
Thanks- and I also want to note that part of the issue is employers. I've mentioned before my friend who graduated from U. of Toronto with a degree in English Literature back in the 1970s. A major bank in NYC figured he was pretty smart and could be trained for a job in their Commercial Lending Department. He had a long, successful career in that field. Do you think those banks are hiring English majors in their Commercial Lending Departments now, or are they insisting on MBAs from a handful of schools? Few companies want to train anymore.We all know they are not unless they have a special intern program or they know someone. When discussing unemployment and re-employment though, people do not acknowledge the corollary to this. Most companies accept applications via website. Most people are screened out and not even asked to interview. Managers have a bias against well educated workers when it comes to low paying jobs. On the whole, they would rather hire someone they feels belongs at McD's than someone who lost a good job. People who have experience in fast food are going to get interviewed over an unemployed chef, high end restaurant server, or travel agent. Yet some posters believe (without proof) the reason these people might be still unemployed is they won't look for lower paid work, totally ignoring the fact they might not be able to be hired for lower paid work. What idiot would put their high level career on an application for a low paying job? I had tons of experience in fast food, restaurant and retail when I was in high school/college. My answer to the huge blank in employment would be that I was home raising my babies and now they are grown and I need to get back to work With how there it is for employers locally, as long as you can pass a piss test you are good to go. I would have a harder time applying for a staff accountant position. That is so many levels below my skill set that no one would hire me. When the job market was tight, I was blown away at the higher level resumes I received for roles like senior accountant. At least dumb down the resume!
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Post by susana1954 on May 22, 2021 13:12:48 GMT -5
What idiot would put their high level career on an application for a low paying job? I had tons of experience in fast food, restaurant and retail when I was in high school/college. My answer to the huge blank in employment would be that I was home raising my babies and now they are grown and I need to get back to workWith how there it is for employers locally, as long as you can pass a piss test you are good to go. I would have a harder time applying for a staff accountant position. That is so many levels below my skill set that no one would hire me. When the job market was tight, I was blown away at the higher level resumes I received for roles like senior accountant. At least dumb down the resume! I thought you could be fired for lying on your job application? I am sure that most people think of that as inflating your education and experience, but lying is lying. And that is what you are advocating--not leaving stuff off or dumbing down the resume in terms of skill set, but actually lying about what you have been doing for the last several years.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2021 13:17:06 GMT -5
What idiot would put their high level career on an application for a low paying job? I had tons of experience in fast food, restaurant and retail when I was in high school/college. My answer to the huge blank in employment would be that I was home raising my babies and now they are grown and I need to get back to workWith how there it is for employers locally, as long as you can pass a piss test you are good to go. I would have a harder time applying for a staff accountant position. That is so many levels below my skill set that no one would hire me. When the job market was tight, I was blown away at the higher level resumes I received for roles like senior accountant. At least dumb down the resume! I thought you could be fired for lying on your job application? I am sure that most people think of that as inflating your education and experience, but lying is lying. And that is what you are advocating--not leaving stuff off or dumbing down the resume in terms of skill set, but actually lying about what you have been doing for the last several years. Yep. And if I needed a job and I know I could leave the job, that’s exactly what I would do. Unlike being under qualified for a job, I can’t imagine anyone would fire someone foe not disclosing that they were previously in a C suite. I would show up, do my job and get my check. Considering my local McD’s now has a sign posted that they are closing at 10 because they can’t get staff, I’m pretty sure the manager wouldn’t give much of a shit. If he/she did, they could fire me and close the doors.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 13:27:44 GMT -5
I thought you could be fired for lying on your job application? I am sure that most people think of that as inflating your education and experience, but lying is lying. And that is what you are advocating--not leaving stuff off or dumbing down the resume in terms of skill set, but actually lying about what you have been doing for the last several years. Yep. And if I needed a job and I know I could leave the job, that’s exactly what I would do. Unlike being under qualified for a job, I can’t imagine anyone would fire someone for not disclosing that they were previously in a C suite. I would show up, do my job and get my check. Sadky, you'd have to take down your LinkedIn profile if you have one- or make up a whole new one!
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Post by susana1954 on May 22, 2021 14:11:21 GMT -5
I thought you could be fired for lying on your job application? I am sure that most people think of that as inflating your education and experience, but lying is lying. And that is what you are advocating--not leaving stuff off or dumbing down the resume in terms of skill set, but actually lying about what you have been doing for the last several years. Yep. And if I needed a job and I know I could leave the job, that’s exactly what I would do. Unlike being under qualified for a job, I can’t imagine anyone would fire someone foe not disclosing that they were previously in a C suite. I would show up, do my job and get my check. Considering my local McD’s now has a sign posted that they are closing at 10 because they can’t get staff, I’m pretty sure the manager wouldn’t give much of a shit. If he/she did, they could fire me and close the doors. Ok, I wasn't getting that you were applying for a McJob. I thought this was in the context of accounting. By the way, I think McDonald's would hire you, degree and all. Go for it!
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Post by Opti on May 22, 2021 16:24:06 GMT -5
We all know they are not unless they have a special intern program or they know someone. When discussing unemployment and re-employment though, people do not acknowledge the corollary to this. Most companies accept applications via website. Most people are screened out and not even asked to interview. Managers have a bias against well educated workers when it comes to low paying jobs. On the whole, they would rather hire someone they feels belongs at McD's than someone who lost a good job. People who have experience in fast food are going to get interviewed over an unemployed chef, high end restaurant server, or travel agent. Yet some posters believe (without proof) the reason these people might be still unemployed is they won't look for lower paid work, totally ignoring the fact they might not be able to be hired for lower paid work. What idiot would put their high level career on an application for a low paying job? I had tons of experience in fast food, restaurant and retail when I was in high school/college. My answer to the huge blank in employment would be that I was home raising my babies and now they are grown and I need to get back to work
With how there it is for employers locally, as long as you can pass a piss test you are good to go. I would have a harder time applying for a staff accountant position. That is so many levels below my skill set that no one would hire me. When the job market was tight, I was blown away at the higher level resumes I received for roles like senior accountant. At least dumb down the resume! That probably would work for you, but what about all the divorced women and men north of 55 or even past 65. You are probably too young and traditionally feminine to experience age discrimination, but its very real and it does not stop once you get hired.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2021 16:30:21 GMT -5
Yep. And if I needed a job and I know I could leave the job, that’s exactly what I would do. Unlike being under qualified for a job, I can’t imagine anyone would fire someone for not disclosing that they were previously in a C suite. I would show up, do my job and get my check. Sadky, you'd have to take down your LinkedIn profile if you have one- or make up a whole new one! I’m old school. No Linked In! But I live in a small area where it would be hard to hide my experience in the corporate world. I was talking about taking a warehouse or McD type job
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Post by Opti on May 22, 2021 16:31:23 GMT -5
We all know they are not unless they have a special intern program or they know someone. When discussing unemployment and re-employment though, people do not acknowledge the corollary to this. Most companies accept applications via website. Most people are screened out and not even asked to interview. Managers have a bias against well educated workers when it comes to low paying jobs. On the whole, they would rather hire someone they feels belongs at McD's than someone who lost a good job. People who have experience in fast food are going to get interviewed over an unemployed chef, high end restaurant server, or travel agent. Yet some posters believe (without proof) the reason these people might be still unemployed is they won't look for lower paid work, totally ignoring the fact they might not be able to be hired for lower paid work. What idiot would put their high level career on an application for a low paying job? I had tons of experience in fast food, restaurant and retail when I was in high school/college. My answer to the huge blank in employment would be that I was home raising my babies and now they are grown and I need to get back to work With how there it is for employers locally, as long as you can pass a piss test you are good to go. I would have a harder time applying for a staff accountant position. That is so many levels below my skill set that no one would hire me. When the job market was tight, I was blown away at the higher level resumes I received for roles like senior accountant. At least dumb down the resume!That's the thing though, not everyone has other experience to use. Real job titles will be uncovered the minute someone does a reference check. Reality is most places prefer not hire over-qualified people no matter what. Now if you apply for a retail job as PT, it usually doesn't set off alarm bells, but deity forbid you are looking for FT work. Its not easy to get in, and they will get rid of you or cut your hours in a heartbeat because your existence does not meet their preconceived notions. But given the bolded, you wouldn't even consider over-qualified people. You would want them to lie on paper and in person just to try to survive.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2021 16:31:39 GMT -5
Yep. And if I needed a job and I know I could leave the job, that’s exactly what I would do. Unlike being under qualified for a job, I can’t imagine anyone would fire someone foe not disclosing that they were previously in a C suite. I would show up, do my job and get my check. Considering my local McD’s now has a sign posted that they are closing at 10 because they can’t get staff, I’m pretty sure the manager wouldn’t give much of a shit. If he/she did, they could fire me and close the doors. Ok, I wasn't getting that you were applying for a McJob. I thought this was in the context of accounting. By the way, I think McDonald's would hire you, degree and all. Go for it! Lol! I’m not actually applying for a McD job. But I would if I needed it to support my family.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2021 16:35:47 GMT -5
What idiot would put their high level career on an application for a low paying job? I had tons of experience in fast food, restaurant and retail when I was in high school/college. My answer to the huge blank in employment would be that I was home raising my babies and now they are grown and I need to get back to work With how there it is for employers locally, as long as you can pass a piss test you are good to go. I would have a harder time applying for a staff accountant position. That is so many levels below my skill set that no one would hire me. When the job market was tight, I was blown away at the higher level resumes I received for roles like senior accountant. At least dumb down the resume!That's the thing though, not everyone has other experience to use. Real job titles will be uncovered the minute someone does a reference check. Reality is most places prefer not hire over-qualified people no matter what. Now if you apply for a retail job as PT, it usually doesn't set off alarm bells, but deity forbid you are looking for FT work. Its not easy to get in, and they will get rid of you or cut your hours in a heartbeat because your existence does not meet their preconceived notions. But given the bolded, you wouldn't even consider over-qualified people. You would want them to lie on paper and in person just to try to survive. Because usually (not always) an overqualified person is looking for any job, until something that fits them comes along. Like it or not, I didn’t have time to train people that I knew would bolt the minute they could. I don’t know how the corporate jobs are fairing in my area. This isn’t arrogance, but since I’ve retired 10 months ago, I’ve been offered two well paid positions. And I’m coming up on 50, which could be held against me (age discrimination).
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Post by Opti on May 22, 2021 16:43:08 GMT -5
Sadky, you'd have to take down your LinkedIn profile if you have one- or make up a whole new one! I’m old school. No Linked In! But I live in a small area where it would be hard to hide my experience in the corporate world. I was talking about taking a warehouse or McD type job I think you should try getting interviews and see if it really would work. Your area has higher unemployment so it might work, but you might find biases on how you even speak will prevent you from being offered a job. Last I read the fast food to sit down restaurant sector was still down about 20% in jobs since pandemic losses.
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Post by Opti on May 22, 2021 16:47:35 GMT -5
That's the thing though, not everyone has other experience to use. Real job titles will be uncovered the minute someone does a reference check. Reality is most places prefer not hire over-qualified people no matter what. Now if you apply for a retail job as PT, it usually doesn't set off alarm bells, but deity forbid you are looking for FT work. Its not easy to get in, and they will get rid of you or cut your hours in a heartbeat because your existence does not meet their preconceived notions. But given the bolded, you wouldn't even consider over-qualified people. You would want them to lie on paper and in person just to try to survive. Because usually (not always) an overqualified person is looking for any job, until something that fits them comes along. Like it or not, I didn’t have time to train people that I knew would bolt the minute they could. I don’t know how the corporate jobs are fairing in my area. This isn’t arrogance, but since I’ve retired 10 months ago, I’ve been offered two well paid positions. And I’m coming up on 50, which could be held against me (age discrimination). That's great your area of expertise is still in demand and you have been offered jobs. I hope you realize most people aren't in that position.
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Post by Opti on May 22, 2021 16:50:33 GMT -5
Just tidbits from April 2021 to March 2021 employment. P rofessional and business service jobs decreased by 79,000, and temporary help services lost 111,400 jobs. Companies add temporary workers when they aren't sure they will need permanent positions. That's especially true during the early stages of recovery.
The motor vehicle industry lost 27,000 jobs after gaining 1,200 in March.
Here are other areas with job losses:
The retail industry lost 15,300 jobs after adding 32,800 jobs in March.
Education and health services lost 1,000 jobs after adding 104,000 in March.
Manufacturing lost 18,000 jobs after gaining 54,000 jobs in March.
Durable goods lost 20,000 jobs after gaining 31,000 jobs in March. www.thebalance.com/jobs-report-monthly-employment-growth-statistics-3305732I think more churn is in the future. I hope 2022 will be more stable.
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Post by Miss Tequila on May 22, 2021 21:40:22 GMT -5
I’m old school. No Linked In! But I live in a small area where it would be hard to hide my experience in the corporate world. I was talking about taking a warehouse or McD type job I think you should try getting interviews and see if it really would work. Your area has higher unemployment so it might work, but you might find biases on how you even speak will prevent you from being offered a job. Last I read the fast food to sit down restaurant sector was still down about 20% in jobs since pandemic losses. As I said, I live in a small area. Everyone knows everyone. I couldn’t get away with pretending to be a much lower level accountant because I have too many contacts in the area. I could apply for a job outside of the corporate world, though. It’s to the point that if she have a pulse and can pass a background/piss test, no one really cares. Business are actually closing early because they can’t get staff. Yet we have unemployment of just under 10%...sigh
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Post by billisonboard on May 22, 2021 21:50:54 GMT -5
I think we should focus on the health benefits of fast food establishments cutting their hours.
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Post by Opti on May 23, 2021 8:06:26 GMT -5
I think you should try getting interviews and see if it really would work. Your area has higher unemployment so it might work, but you might find biases on how you even speak will prevent you from being offered a job. Last I read the fast food to sit down restaurant sector was still down about 20% in jobs since pandemic losses. As I said, I live in a small area. Everyone knows everyone. I couldn’t get away with pretending to be a much lower level accountant because I have too many contacts in the area. I could apply for a job outside of the corporate world, though. It’s to the point that if she have a pulse and can pass a background/piss test, no one really cares. Business are actually closing early because they can’t get staff. Yet we have unemployment of just under 10%...sigh That's opinion though. You haven't interviewed at any of these places so you don't know for even a partial fact what they are looking for and why. Nursing homes have to right size their staff based on their census. So do fast food places to remain profitable. They might be looking for a grab bag of oddball shifts. Available hours for nurses and aides are down since the pandemic began. I'm not sure when that will change as the census needs to be near capacity.
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Post by cyanne on May 23, 2021 8:17:23 GMT -5
I heard an ad on the radio yesterday. Local window manufacturer is hiring 3rd shift at $26 per hour. Benefits, medical, 401k and profit sharing are part of the benefits package. They also have a $2000 signing bonus. Who would choose to work fast food if there are better options for unskilled labor?
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Post by buystoys on May 23, 2021 8:22:38 GMT -5
I heard an ad on the radio yesterday. Local window manufacturer is hiring 3rd shift at $26 per hour. Benefits, medical, 401k and profit sharing are part of the benefits package. They also have a $2000 signing bonus. Who would choose to work fast food if there are better options for unskilled labor? That is the case here. It's easier to get one of the better manufacturing jobs in our area. Fast food places are struggling to get help, so the hourly wage has gone up considerably. This has been going on for the last couple of years and I suspect the prevailing starting wage is over $11 per hour now. Last year they would put it on the sign. Now they're just putting that they have multiple openings. I can't even begin to list how many employers in our area have open job postings.
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Post by Opti on May 23, 2021 8:32:22 GMT -5
I heard an ad on the radio yesterday. Local window manufacturer is hiring 3rd shift at $26 per hour. Benefits, medical, 401k and profit sharing are part of the benefits package. They also have a $2000 signing bonus. Who would choose to work fast food if there are better options for unskilled labor? Probably depends. I couldn't work third shift for any job and stay healthy.
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giramomma
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Post by giramomma on May 23, 2021 9:13:11 GMT -5
I heard an ad on the radio yesterday. Local window manufacturer is hiring 3rd shift at $26 per hour. Benefits, medical, 401k and profit sharing are part of the benefits package. They also have a $2000 signing bonus. Who would choose to work fast food if there are better options for unskilled labor? Depends on who the unskilled labor is. A single parent, well, that gets dicey due to child care. An older kid, in double digits in age. Sure. If that's what needs to be done.
I'd have a hard time asking a 6 year old to get themselves to bed and up for school the next morning while I was working, and I err towards being a free-range parent.
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NomoreDramaQ1015
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 23, 2021 9:44:13 GMT -5
I have a friend who did tag shifts with her husband. First two kids he worked nights and she worked days.
She said it saved a lot of money but was incredibly rough on both of them. He moved to days after the third kid it was getting to be too much.
DH worked the 4am shift. That was a bitch because it left me solely responsible for daycare in the morning. I had to be aware of that when looking for jobs. It was so much easier when he finally aligned with my schedule.
Can't imagine trying to juggle it all actually solo. Know a lot of people who do and hats off to them.
Me I'm dancing in the streets because we are FINALLY done with daycare for one kid. Abby is down to before/after care and soon we'll start having Gwen walk her home.
I was reading on CNN that some companies are offering more on site daycare options to attract people, especially people who work in the plants and warehouses.
That's something that needed to change. It's only getting worse because a lot of daycares are closing thanks to 2020. That makes the competition even more fierce for spots. Not all schools offer care on site we got lucky with that.
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