Do People Just Not Want To Work Anymore?

[azucena]

Good topic, pink.

I'll add the specific wrinkle that I see.  Here in StL, DH and I are both seeing signs for Domino's hiring at $17/hr, several others at $15, and one at $19.

Um, you guys, DH makes $15.10/hour teaching preschool.  And this is after a decade in the field, being recognized multiple times at his previous and current jobs as being one of the best.  He has an associate in business, BA in communications, and a age 0-5 teaching certificate.  He hit $15 in 2019 when his boss fought for a $1/hr raise and swore him to absolute secrecy about it because she doesn't have the budget to pay even half of them that much.  A 'great' raise for him going fwd will be 0.25/hr.

He has benefits available but doesn't take them because they are crappy and costly compared to mine.  Almost none of his coworkers take them either because they're unaffordable when you make $12-14/hr.  I've lost track of what healthcare costs, but the deductible is $1500.  Guys, he nets $1600/month.  I think he's putting $200/month into his retirement option.  At one point, HR told them 5% contribute.  There is no match and their plan fees are 2-3x mine.

When he got unemployment for one month during the shutdown last year, he made $600 extra/month.  We both felt icky about that.

He's completely demoralized that he should go deliver pizza to make "significantly" more ($320/month).

And this is what we're okay paying those that teach our children in their most significant brain development years?! Significant both to set the academic foothold and also emotionally.  Look at our country today, we need good starts in both to help lower poverty and violent crimes.

Add to that the weird dichotomy that we're asking young families at the beginning of their earning years to pay more than their mortgage for childcare.  Three years ago, it cost $1400/month for DD's as a pre-k 5 yr old which are the cheapest rates.  I've lost track of what infants cost, but I wanna say it was really close to $2k.  His center gives a 50% discount to employees, so roughly half of his net pay was going right back to them.  Anecdotally, it seems like most preschool/daycare workers are single moms.  His co-teacher is one.  Pretty sure she makes $15 too, so $1600-700 = 1100 left after paying for daycare to be able to work.  Her rent is $600/month, so $1100 - 600 = 500 left.  That math doesn't work.  No emergency fund is possible.  Multiple times, DH has driven 20 mins out of his way to pick her up when she can't afford to get her car fixed.  I know she's on public assistance and don't begrudge her for a second for it.  But wouldn't it be wonderful if we paid her what she's worth to society at large?

His teaching group is holding their breath as they watch Biden's early childhood proposals.  They are ecstatic that it's even a discussion but won't believe it until they see it. 

[chiver78]

May 10, 2021 21:18:38 GMT -5 nidena said:

Ignore the political part of this.  It's a Top 50 for cities with the most fast food restaurants per 100,000 residents.  Check out #1.  Mind you, there's ~150,000 people in that particular city.

www.cbsnews.com/pictures/fast-food-capitals-of-us-america-ranked/

In any case, that's a lot of fast food restaurants looking for employees.  It would not be a bad thing if many of these national chains contracted just bit.

that was quite the jump from #3 to #1, wow. also, I wonder if #4 was calculated with summer population numbers, or year-round ones. Barnstable includes Hyannis, where all the malls and the island ferries are.

[Opti]

May 11, 2021 4:56:14 GMT -5 chiver78 said:

May 10, 2021 21:18:38 GMT -5 nidena said:

Ignore the political part of this.  It's a Top 50 for cities with the most fast food restaurants per 100,000 residents.  Check out #1.  Mind you, there's ~150,000 people in that particular city.

www.cbsnews.com/pictures/fast-food-capitals-of-us-america-ranked/

In any case, that's a lot of fast food restaurants looking for employees.  It would not be a bad thing if many of these national chains contracted just bit.

that was quite the jump from #3 to #1, wow. also, I wonder if #4 was calculated with summer population numbers, or year-round ones. Barnstable includes Hyannis, where all the malls and the island ferries are.

I'm guessing year-round numbers looking at Ocean City, NJ versus Newark metro area.

[Deleted]

Why is it that the talking heads' guests can't seem to grasp that there are people who simply cannot waltz right back to the workplace? 

Right now the governor of Arkansas is waxing eloquent about all the "reasons" why people getting unemployment benefits should be cut off and forced back to their jobs or to get new ones. Totally out of touch with the problems faced by people whose jobs have been affected by the pandemic.

The people who are yelling loudest about people getting UE have obviously never been in such dire circumstances. They all need a heavy dose of walking a mile in somebody else's shoes

[TheOtherMe]

John Deere is having a difficult time hiring.  They pay a decent wage with benefits.

Their problem is they do a layoff about every other year.  Last hired gets laid off and they tend not to call them back.  Instead they go hire new people so it's easy to lay them off.  They also have strikes over working conditions and health benefits.  

[Deleted]

Montana and South Carolina governors have terminated the additional federal $300 UE payments. I bet $$ that Georgia's governor won't be far behind them. Georgia is already one of the 13 states not waiving taxes on the federal benefits.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

A lot of server jobs here are held by college students.  I waited tables because it was flexible and because it was easy to leave/find a new one as I moved back and forth between college and home. 

I would imagine when you are back at your parents doing online learning you are saving a butt ton on things like gas and you aren't going out with friends regularly.  There isn't much need for a part time job to cover expenses.

Might see it tick back up as colleges go back to normal.

[susana1954]

My son's mantra all through high school was "If you can make an A without studying, why would you study just to make a higher A?"  It actually served him well.  

Applying that mantra to the unemployment situation, I would ask, "If you can make X amount of money without working, why would you work just to make a few more $$$ that are going to go toward taxes, child care, or increased expenses (parking, etc.)?"  And a lot of these lower-paid workers are actually making more without working.  I know people who are angry because they didn't get laid off and so they made less than those who did.  Plus, they had to roll out of bed every day.

These aren't jobs with futures or benefits.  When the federal money stops, there will be similar jobs waiting for them.  And the federal money did just stop in Alabama.  The governor cut it off.  Our maximum unemployment is $275 a week, hardly enough to live on.  Unemployed workers must document that they are looking for work including where and when.  Part-time workers and gig workers are no longer eligible.  

I think this will happen in most states as businesses pressure the politicians to give them back their cheap labor.

By the way, I understand the mentality of those not working.  My pension and SS pay me as much (and maybe a little more) than I got working.  I'm getting "paid" to sleep late and take care of my dog.  Nice work if you can get it. 

[minnesotapaintlady]

I don't want to work anymore!  This is the background on my computer.

[resolution]

Hopefully this will result in some much needed raises for lower wage positions. I am already starting to see articles like this one about companies raising pay.

apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-business-71699a5e154a63a5962bb3c98ee3d129

[Deleted]

May 11, 2021 9:33:14 GMT -5 resolution said:

Hopefully this will result in some much needed raises for lower wage positions. I am already starting to see articles like this one about companies raising pay.

apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-business-71699a5e154a63a5962bb3c98ee3d129

And if they can afford it now, they could have afforded it sooner. They're doing it now because they've had their backs shoved up against the wall.

[Deleted]

May 11, 2021 6:38:52 GMT -5 @missrigby said:

Why is it that the talking heads' guests can't seem to grasp that there are people who simply cannot waltz right back to the workplace? 

Right now the governor of Arkansas is waxing eloquent about all the "reasons" why people getting unemployment benefits should be cut off and forced back to their jobs or to get new ones. Totally out of touch with the problems faced by people whose jobs have been affected by the pandemic.

The people who are yelling loudest about people getting UE have obviously never been in such dire circumstances. They all need a heavy dose of walking a mile in somebody else's shoes

I think I have compassion for people in the situations you mention because I know that I didn’t do anything special to not be in a bad situation myself. Meaning I just happened to have a job that pays decently and needed all of its employees and more during the pandemic. Choosing a job that would be “pandemic” proof was not on my radar at all when I accepted my job years ago.

Still, people with young children that work for my employer have even had/have  issues, since you can’t be in 2 places at the same time, reporting to work AND being home with children during the day. But our unions worked with our employer at the beginning, to make some temporary agreements to help employees with those kinds of pandemic related issues. And Biden passed EFEL this year, to help any federal employee with certain situations related to COVID.

So, instead of thinking I’m so special and looking down on people who are having to make some tough decisions in regards to working in the midst of this pandemic, I count my blessings and empathize with them.

I’ve never been real thrilled about having to leave my house and go to work every day instead of being able to stay safe at home, but at least I don’t have to worry about income and finding a job.

[daisylu]

I think a lot of it is the added unemployment pay. The last time I was on unemployment was about 25 years ago. I was let go from a $10/hour job, and received $236/week on unemployment. The last position before my latest promotion, I was making just over $20/hour. I do not know what the unemployment rate would be, but if I was getting over $500/week it could work in my favor to stay home for a while. 

For the record, I do not have an issue with the extra pay but I do think that you should have to prove that you are actively looking for a job (this WAS required here before the pandemic). EVERY employer in this area is hiring, even some who used to never hire people directly - you would come in as a temp and transition if they found your work impressive. The Amazon warehouse in this area is starting people at over $20/hour, McDonalds is $15/hour. 

I do feel for those parents who have had to navigate remote learning with younger kids, and needing childcare that they did not plan on. But I was also once a single mom who was paying almost half of my take home pay to childcare. You figure out how to make it work.

[Deleted]

It doesn't matter one iota if they're paying $15/hr or $50/hr. If there are kids involved, there have to be daycare or sitters for people to work, especially women who are usually the ones who are in charge of the kids. 

[Tiny]

Pre pandemic - wasn't "unemployment" more or less paid by one's employer? Isn't it part of their payroll expenses? Unemployment insurance or something? If a worker get to use it doesn't it eventually stop (as in some time frame)? Or can a laid off employee do something to keep it going indefinitely? I've never had to collect it and never paid much attention to it. (and the people in my life who have gotten it were tighted lipped about it).   Can any employee who is "let go" collect unemployment? Or is it only for certain circumstances of "being let go"?

Isn't the actual issue here the extra added on amount that the States and Federal government are adding to the unemployment benefits (more or less the States are going into debt to give it out? And maybe the Federal Government is "printing" more money? Not sure if I'm saying that right - but the extra unemployment payments have to come from somewhere... the regular unemployment payments come from what employers pay into it as part of their expenses.  And the people that are complaining about "lazy" people - are the one's concerned about all the money (the complaining people's money) the government spent? Usually when someone complaining about the government spending money on lazy ass people - they are complaining because the Government is taking money away from them to give to 'lazy ass' people.   that's the way my family works (the government is taking away all the money my siblings could be spending on even nicer things for themselves (or more crap they will throw away) whenever a "lazy ass" person gets some money from the government). 

Did the States/Federal Government change how long someone can collect unemployment?

(and really - were the people laid off back in March/April 2020 really cycling thru jobs so they could keep getting back on the "unemployment money train" if unemployment only goes for a limited time?     Were droves of people let go from their jobs in January/February/March/April of 2021 ) 

I guess I'm arguing (without much knowledge) that there's plenty of unemployed people NOT collecting unemployment who either don't need to work/don't want to work the jobs being offered.    And it's not the unemployment they are collecting that's keeping them from working. 

Maybe I'm naive? 

[minnesotapaintlady]

May 11, 2021 11:23:45 GMT -5 Tiny said:

Pre pandemic - wasn't "unemployment" more or less paid by one's employer? Isn't it part of their payroll expenses? Unemployment insurance or something? If a worker get to use it doesn't it eventually stop (as in some time frame)? Or can a laid off employee do something to keep it going indefinitely? I've never had to collect it and never paid much attention to it. (and the people in my life who have gotten it were tighted lipped about it).   Can any employee who is "let go" collect unemployment? Or is it only for certain circumstances of "being let go"?

Isn't the actual issue here the extra added on amount that the States and Federal government are adding to the unemployment benefits (more or less the States are going into debt to give it out? And maybe the Federal Government is "printing" more money? Not sure if I'm saying that right - but the extra unemployment payments have to come from somewhere... the regular unemployment payments come from what employers pay into it as part of their expenses.

Did the States/Federal Government change how long someone can collect unemployment?

They've been adding extensions.  In MN normally the limit is 26 weeks, but Covid relief has been allowing them to continue extending it.  It's now set to expire Sept of 2021 if they don't extend again. 

You're supposed to only get it if you're let go for no fault of your own, but my ex punched a guy and was fired and was able to collect for the full 6 months, basically because the company didn't want to deal with fighting it legally.

[Deleted]

Yes, employers pay for insurance to cover claims. States have the say-so in regulating their requirements and the amounts paid to claimants. In Georgia it was 26 weeks. The "rules" have been mostly just thrown out because of the pandemic. The 26 weeks has been extended, also because of he pandemic, and the $300 is from federal funds and that's been extended until September 1 or September 30, I forget which. Federal funds don't usually cover unemployment, but the pandemic isn't a "usual" circumstance.  

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

DH's company is having trouble getting skilled workers in and then I've read about the truck driver shortage.  

I think in regards to those types of jobs our looking down on trades is coming home to roost.  It was going to happen eventually but COVID sped it up.  You can't tell the younger generations that the only path in life is college (and if we go a step further according to the boards it's narrowed down to FOUR acceptable majors) and then wonder why you can't find any press operators or truck drivers. 

Then add in there is very little work place in house training anymore.  I looked into becoming a phlebotomist at one point.  The head of the program said that it used to be they hired and trained in house but now they can't.  While certification and standardization is a good thing she said the downside is need still out meets the number of students the program can churn out.  They'd have a lot more if they could still train on the job.

I think companies are going to have to reconsider the expectation that you walk in fully trained and have people learn ON the job if they want to fill some of these positions.  There is also going to have to be a major shift in our views regarding education and what makes a "worthy" job.  The pandemic has shown you can't have everyone becoming an accountant, IT person, nurse or engineer.  Someone needs to drive the truck that holds all the computer parts.  Someone needs to build the road the truck drives on. . .

[Tiny]

Thanks! That make sense. I'm not hearing much chatter about people not working because of unemployment money in my area.

But then I'm in the social strata where few people work jobs that were adversely effected by the pandemic (we all went WFH or continued to go to work in the office (because there was limited exposure to the public). It's kind of like how the majority of people in my family, friends, that I work with, or see socially have college degrees (or Masters or PHds) when the statistic for America is 33% of Americans over the age of 25 have a degree. I'm in a bubble.   

So, I'd only hear about it via some media (second or third hand) versus first hand. 

I was just about to go down the Google Rabbit Hole (which I still might as I'm sure the government expense of doing this will effect us for years to come (and I don't mean that in a bad way - just a way) )

[thyme4change]

May 11, 2021 11:35:42 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

DH's company is having trouble getting skilled workers in and then I've read about the truck driver shortage.  

I think in regards to those types of jobs our looking down on trades is coming home to roost.  It was going to happen eventually but COVID sped it up.  You can't tell the younger generations that the only path in life is college (and if we go a step further according to the boards it's narrowed down to FOUR acceptable majors) and then wonder why you can't find any press operators or truck drivers. 

Then add in there is very little work place in house training anymore.  I looked into becoming a phlebotomist at one point.  The head of the program said that it used to be they hired and trained in house but now they can't.  While certification and standardization is a good thing she said the downside is need still out meets the number of students the program can churn out.  They'd have a lot more if they could still train on the job.

I think companies are going to have to reconsider the expectation that you walk in fully trained and have people learn ON the job if they want to fill some of these positions.  There is also going to have to be a major shift in our views regarding education and what makes a "worthy" job.  The pandemic has shown you can't have everyone becoming an accountant, IT person, nurse or engineer.  Someone needs to drive the truck that holds all the computer parts.  Someone needs to build the road the truck drives on. . .

Biden has a proposal to make community colleges free. They offer programs like phlebotomy, and could probably work with local employers to set-up their schooling to match the company's needs. It would be a win for everyone.

Except Jeff Bezos, who would have to lose a pay a few million in taxes. After that, he may only have a mere 190 billion dollars to comfort him at night.

[wvugurl26]

We've been short on truck drivers for a long time. Finding qualified people who have a clean driving record and can pass a drug test is a challenge for many companies. I'd say people also fail the background check for certain cards. My dad has to do a check every so often to access certain facilities.

My dad quit long haul driving and went to work in a warehouse when I was 6. Being a long haul driver didn't mix with having sole custody of two young children.

He's worked various jobs over the years and done some training programs. About 2.5 years ago he was laid off from an oil/gas job and couldn't find another. He did a refresher school and picked up his CDL license again.

He worked at an Amazon warehouse for four months moving trailers in their yard. He said the field had changed a lot in 30 years. He said primarily the drivers bringing loads into Amazon were immigrants with the majority being Dominican, Nigerian or Jamaican.

He left Amazon for a much better paying job closer to the house hauling oil from well pads. He's currently out on disability after eye surgery for a detached retina. It's healing as it should but until the gas bubble is gone and the resulting cataract is removed, there's no guarantee his vision will be good enough to pass the physical and return to driving.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

May 11, 2021 11:52:33 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

May 11, 2021 11:35:42 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

DH's company is having trouble getting skilled workers in and then I've read about the truck driver shortage.  

I think in regards to those types of jobs our looking down on trades is coming home to roost.  It was going to happen eventually but COVID sped it up.  You can't tell the younger generations that the only path in life is college (and if we go a step further according to the boards it's narrowed down to FOUR acceptable majors) and then wonder why you can't find any press operators or truck drivers. 

Then add in there is very little work place in house training anymore.  I looked into becoming a phlebotomist at one point.  The head of the program said that it used to be they hired and trained in house but now they can't.  While certification and standardization is a good thing she said the downside is need still out meets the number of students the program can churn out.  They'd have a lot more if they could still train on the job.

I think companies are going to have to reconsider the expectation that you walk in fully trained and have people learn ON the job if they want to fill some of these positions.  There is also going to have to be a major shift in our views regarding education and what makes a "worthy" job.  The pandemic has shown you can't have everyone becoming an accountant, IT person, nurse or engineer.  Someone needs to drive the truck that holds all the computer parts.  Someone needs to build the road the truck drives on. . .

Biden has a proposal to make community colleges free. They offer programs like phlebotomy, and could probably work with local employers to set-up their schooling to match the company's needs. It would be a win for everyone.

Except Jeff Bezos, who would have to lose a pay a few million in taxes. After that, he may only have a mere 190 billion dollars to comfort him at night.

And having him not be able to afford a 5th yacht is communism at it's finest.

IWCC here does offer trade certificates.  How many people go for them IDK.   They are specifically geared to get people back into the workforce after unemployment.  Maybe employers could take some of that shareholder money they are sitting on and offer to pay new employees to get certified upon hire.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I'm going to go out on a limb and probably get flamed but I also think screening for pot needs to end for all but certain professions.   As long as you are not showing up to work high, just as you cannot show up to work drunk it shouldn't matter that someone tokes on the weekends.   It's always confused me how alcohol is perfectly fine to consume and the only way you're going to get caught drunk at work is if you crash the forklift, then why is it a big deal if I smoke a joint on Saturday?

Just as states are deciding to make pot legal I think employers could decide not to test for it. That would probably open up a flood gate of potential employees if you don't have to worry about your Friday night joint showing up on your Monday test.

Or raise the threshold so more people pass.   I am not high at 15 ng/mL in my system.   

Then obviously if I do something dumb you can test me and if I meet the threshold terminate me like you can alcohol.

[minnesotapaintlady]

May 11, 2021 11:35:42 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

DH's company is having trouble getting skilled workers in and then I've read about the truck driver shortage.  

I think in regards to those types of jobs our looking down on trades is coming home to roost.  It was going to happen eventually but COVID sped it up.  You can't tell the younger generations that the only path in life is college (and if we go a step further according to the boards it's narrowed down to FOUR acceptable majors) and then wonder why you can't find any press operators or truck drivers. 

I don't know how much looking down on the trades there is around here...at least 30% of high school grads don't go to college or go to the technical school...it seems more that parents encouraging college just don't want their kids to have to do these jobs that typically are very physical, because you never know if you're going to be able to keep it up long term.  My brother was a chain welder, screwed his knee up badly two years ago and hasn't been able to make a decent living since.  He can't stand for the long hours on the cement and can't drive a truck because he doesn't have the mobility in his right knee to pass the DOT physical, plus nothing but a high school education.  He gave my son probably the best talk ever about getting a skill that doesn't depend on your body not giving out.  He's only 46, so he's really struggling with figuring out what he's going to do now.

Contrast that with my attorney ex-BIL who was able to get his CDL in a couple months and work the oil fields in North Dakota when he was having a bit of a mental crisis and still had student loans to pay. He made bank for a year, then went back to working in law. Not quite as easy for a truck driver to decide to go the attorney route if his back starts bothering him.

My kid is in one of the "FOUR acceptable majors", and I did encourage it because I've worked in manufacturing for 35 years.  The engineers are the ones coming in late and leaving early, they drive the nicest vehicles in the parking lot and spend their weekends playing golf and out on their boats, while the production folks are on mandatory OT.  They can work from home if they want, and if they get in a car wreck and get both their legs severed (like one of our engineers did), no problem, you can still do your job just as well and make as much as you were before.  I want my kid to have THAT life, not running the machines on the floor.  Having said that, it wasn't my decision what he majored in, working for NASA (and now SpaceX) designing rockets has been his dream since like age 4.  He wasn't sure what he wanted to do and I told him to start with the engineering path because it would be a lot easier to switch to another major than to start in something else and decide later you wanted engineering.

[engineerdoe]

I think along with single parents not able to take a job because they would have no childcare or all that money would be going to pay for it, there is also the people who were laid off due to the pandemic who got jobs elsewhere and that is why the job is now open.  So I would say it is roughly a third for each issue: lack of childcare, moved on to greener pastures, and pure laziness.  I think cutting off the extra federal UE payments was the wrong decision and they should have brought back the requirement that you have to apply for so many jobs a week.

[stillmovingforward]

I'm going to 2nd what MPL says. My DH is in his 50s and his body is just beat to crap. He always been an excellent blue collar worker but now he should be on disability but it isn't offered at his type of job. It's a good thing he married money 😅

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engineerdoe Twenty-three states have gone back to requiring UE recipients to look for jobs. They have to document their job searches. In GA they have to provide name/address of company, phone number, name of contact, date applied. It's not the give-away that some would have you believe.

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

Nebraska sucks.  Not only do I have to apply for jobs but apply for five different employers each week.  Not five jobs, five different employers.  So if I were to find 10 jobs to apply for at UNMC only one of those counts for the entire week.   Then one has to be through their web site which would constantly crash or be down for "maintence".  

I've read a lot of articles about the frustrations on the part of employers because now they are getting buried alive by applications that have zero relevance or experience for what they are hiring for.  Well we don't create the UE rules, how about you talk to Nebraska? There aren't more than five employers for what I do in the area.  I am all for branching out and looking elsewhere but if my UE had gone on long enough I was going to randomly apply for shit just to check the box and not really feel bad about doing it.

On top of that you must attend at least one group job counseling session, at least one individual session and one workshop a week (resume building, how to dress etc) if you want to keep your benefits.  All that for $275 a week.

As DH said how the hell am I supposed to get an interview and land a job between all this?

So I am totally cool with them having waved that during COVID.   I am also find with requiring people look for work but some states make getting UE absolutely ridiculous.

[Deleted]

May 11, 2021 15:29:27 GMT -5 engineerdoe said:

I think along with single parents not able to take a job because they would have no childcare or all that money would be going to pay for it, there is also the people who were laid off due to the pandemic who got jobs elsewhere and that is why the job is now open.  So I would say it is roughly a third for each issue: lack of childcare, moved on to greener pastures, and pure laziness.  I think cutting off the extra federal UE payments was the wrong decision and they should have brought back the requirement that you have to apply for so many jobs a week.

I also think the high school and college students may not be working in usual numbers.  From what I can tell of my area, there seems to be a reduction of the labor force, so people who are absent from the labor market.  For years the party against raising minimum wage have defended that position by saying that those were teen jobs and didn't need a living wage.  Conversely those teens never needed the job anyway.  

[wvugurl26]

That's also a thing. In normal times one of my cousins would have been pushed to get a part time job. She is content to be at home. Doesn't have expensive tastes. They moved in the middle of the pandemic last June.

She wasn't pushed to get a job because it would just be more exposure for the household. Yes, they want her to grow up and launch but she doesn't need a job financially right now. She is in college and dealing with depression and other issues. There's zero need for her to bring in a paycheck.

I don't think this can all be blamed on extra unemployment. I believe many past workers have left the restaurant/retail industries permanently. They've found other jobs and other ways to make a living during the pandemic and they aren't going back. They were some big minuses to how those industries scheduled and treated employees and people have found better situations.