GOP push anti protest laws in 25 states

[kadee79]

I wonder if this is constitutional?

Republicans in at least 25 states are pushing anti-demonstration laws that aim to protect drivers who hit protesters and make it far more difficult for arrested participants to be released from jail.



GOP lawmakers in Oklahoma, Iowa, Missouri, Utah and Florida have either introduced or already passed bills that increase penalties for protesters and provide legal protection for even potentially violent counter-protest measures. Nearly a dozen Americans were killed last year by motorists who drove their vehicles through protests in the wake of George Floyd's death in Minneapolis. Republicans in Oklahoma's State Senate last week passed an "intimidation" bill which grants immunity to drivers who hit protesters. Two additional pending proposals would make blocking a roadway a felony and allow state prosecutors to charge participants in "unlawful assemblies" under racketeering and organized crime statutes.



Multiple drivers who hit and seriously injured protesters last summer were never charged with crimes across several states, with Colorado prosecutors sparking controversy by refusing to even charge one such motorist with reckless driving. This includes a May incident in Visalia, California, where the driver of a Jeep, which had just hit two female demonstrators, drove to the local police station and reported the protesters for blocking traffic, according to the Fresno Bee.



"It's not going to be a peaceful protest if you're impeding the freedom of others," said Oklahoma GOP Representative Kevin McDugle, author of the bill which provides both civil and criminal immunity to motorists who drive into crowds on roadways.

www.newsweek.com/republicans-push-anti-protest-laws-25-states-protect-drivers-who-hit-demonstrators-1570767

[Tiny]

So, if I was armed and protesting and I saw a car/truck heading for me or other protestors could I shoot at the vehicle  and hopefully kill the driver and it would be self defense?  Would I get off scot free if I killed the driver (or any of their passengers)   

Basically, would  the laws protecting people who shot people who they think are going to hurt them, protect me in the above situation?

[Cheesy FL-Vol]

Would a liberal plowing into a Proud Boys protest get the same protections? 

[Tennesseer]

What the hell is this country coming to.  I hope all these potential laws are overturned by the courts.

[djAdvocate]

I am sure many of them will be.
but the fact that the GOP sees this as necessary is rather troubling, in itself. they are more neo-fascist than I would have imagined, even given the Trumpyness.

edit: if half the states have this legislation, it must be "draft legislation". it must have come from ONE SOURCE. I would like to know what that source was.

[laterbloomer]

Feb 21, 2021 14:28:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am sure many of them will be.
but the fact that the GOP sees this as necessary is rather troubling, in itself. they are more neo-fascist than I would have imagined, even given the Trumpyness.

edit: if half the states have this legislation, it must be "draft legislation". it must have come from ONE SOURCE. I would like to know what that source was.

I keep saying it, but this is serious. There is some very real strategy and organizing happening there. They are working really hard to take over and transform your country. I really don't think the powers that be are taking this seriously enough.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2021 16:45:25 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Feb 21, 2021 14:28:25 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

I am sure many of them will be.
but the fact that the GOP sees this as necessary is rather troubling, in itself. they are more neo-fascist than I would have imagined, even given the Trumpyness.

edit: if half the states have this legislation, it must be "draft legislation". it must have come from ONE SOURCE. I would like to know what that source was.

I keep saying it, but this is serious. There is some very real strategy and organizing happening there. They are working really hard to take over and transform your country. I really don't think the powers that be are taking this seriously enough.

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I have been concerned about this since the "Trap Law" legislation and "Project Red Map" came to pass.  these were organized and coordinated efforts to disenfranchise and diminish the rights of citizens.  it is, again, deeply troubling.  but it is mos def a trend.  and it appears to be accelerating.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

so we know that millions are ok with this. With all the rhetoric on "real americans" they easily dismiss anyone not in lock step as not important, not real, not american.

[laterbloomer]

Feb 21, 2021 19:31:23 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

so we know that millions are ok with this. With all the rhetoric on "real americans" they easily dismiss anyone not in lock step as not important, not real, not american.

Millions are more than okay with it, they are complicit. My concern is that the people not complicit with it aren't taking it seriously enough.

[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2021 19:31:23 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

so we know that millions are ok with this. With all the rhetoric on "real americans" they easily dismiss anyone not in lock step as not important, not real, not american.

they are incapable of analyzing the implications of what they say.

if they WERE capable, they would stop saying shit like this.

[Rukh O'Rorke]

Feb 21, 2021 20:16:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Feb 21, 2021 19:31:23 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

so we know that millions are ok with this. With all the rhetoric on "real americans" they easily dismiss anyone not in lock step as not important, not real, not american.

they are incapable of analyzing the implications of what they say.

if they WERE capable, they would stop saying shit like this.

they got it all from GOP elected and fox news.... it's become ingrained in their speach/brain over the last 10-20 years. and some have grown up with that on the TV and in their house.

I just don't see a way out. there is some crumbling - but not enough in my opinion. hopefully the ongoing investigation will crack into some people's heads and they can see what's real and what's just bullshit talking.

But - then there are a whole slew who knew that the election was fair and were ready to flip it over anyway. they are still hard at work, and that is very scary.


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[djAdvocate]

Feb 21, 2021 20:33:08 GMT -5 Rukh O'Rorke said:

Feb 21, 2021 20:16:56 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

they are incapable of analyzing the implications of what they say.

if they WERE capable, they would stop saying shit like this.

they got it all from GOP elected and fox news.... it's become ingrained in their speach/brain over the last 10-20 years. and some have grown up with that on the TV and in their house.

I just don't see a way out. there is some crumbling - but not enough in my opinion. hopefully the ongoing investigation will crack into some people's heads and they can see what's real and what's just bullshit talking.

But - then there are a whole slew who knew that the election was fair and were ready to flip it over anyway. they are still hard at work, and that is very scary.


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right.  but my way of speaking included many words that I don't use any more, because I realize that those word choices are offensive. 

but then again, I live in a place where things like that are questioned.  and so, I question myself.

an echo chamber provides no way out.  the only way out would be to shut down the media or demand a return to the fairness doctrine.  neither of those things is ever going to happen, so I think you are right.  this is a long, miserable path we are on.  we are going to defend our freedom to repress other people, apparently.